SUICIDE SQUAD Producer Charles Roven Finally Explains Why The 2016 Movie Went Through So Many Changes

SUICIDE SQUAD Producer Charles Roven Finally Explains Why The 2016 Movie Went Through So Many Changes

Suicide Squad director David Ayer recently opened up on his "Ayer Cut" of the 2016 movie, but producer Charles Roven now explains how we ended up with a cross between that and the Warner Bros.' version.

By JoshWilding - Aug 07, 2021 03:08 AM EST
Filed Under: Suicide Squad
Source: The Hollywood Reporter

Suicide Squad was a mess of a movie, and we've since learned that was a result of interference from Warner Bros. Director David Ayer has insisted that he has a superior version of the film that has never seen the light of day, and there were reports at the time that the studio had enlisted a variety of editors to assemble a movie much lighter in tone to Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

That would explain all those pop songs and why The Joker was watered down, and while Ayer recently shared his final thoughts on the "Ayer Cut," veteran DC producer Charles Roven has now talked more about what happened during a recent interview with The Hollywood Reporter

"When the studio was hoping to replace John [Gilroy], the original editor, we suggested Lee [Smith]. I had worked with Lee on Chris’ movies, The Dark Knight trilogy. He’s one of the truly great editors. He was charged with trying to take a slightly different approach, but not totally change the tone of the movie with his work," he explained. "Clearly, from what David is saying, that was the version that he liked the best of all the versions. There was a tremendous amount of different feelings between what the studio wanted and what David wanted at that time. It was a negotiation, for sure, of what the ultimate cut was going to be."

"The interesting thing was, when we tested the Ayer version — to be honest, I can’t sit here and remember how we got to that edited version, who was editing that edited version — but it wasn’t Lee. It was somebody else that came in. The studio version was also different editors as well. We tested both versions. They tested exactly the same," Roven revealed. "Because they tested exactly the same, David and the studio and ourselves, meaning Rich and I and the heads of DC at that time — Jon Berg and Geoff Johns — we all sat in a room and tried to come up with what would be the best of both versions. Obviously, the movie made a really nice piece of change. Audiences liked it enough for us to want to do a sequel. But it definitely wasn’t the exact vision of David, and it definitely wasn’t the exact vision of the studio."

So, because these competing cuts tested the same, Warner Bros. chose to make a Frankenstein's monster version of Suicide Squad that, based on the reviews, failed to really make anyone happy. 

Ultimately, it could be that neither of them was truly a great movie (hence why they tested the same), so regardless of what ended up in theaters, Task Force X's big screen debut would be more miss than hit. It would still be interesting to see what Ayer had planned, of course, but the chances of Warner Bros. deciding to give in and #ReleaseTheAyerCut are extremely slim right now.

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bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 8/7/2021, 3:46 AM
''Audiences liked it enough for us to want to do a sequel''

I'm not sure anyway really wanted a sequel because of the 2016 movie. It's more that I was looking forward to TSS because of Gunn and that it's a property where every iteration can be it's stand-alone thing.
manofillintent1
manofillintent1 - 8/7/2021, 4:10 AM
Remember the old days when a movie would come out and if it was sh*t people would just accept it for what it is despite talk of behind the scenes rumblings and woes and it was just one of those unfortunate things but the tribalism of some DC fans are like no our film was actually really good you just didn’t see it
FinnishDude
FinnishDude - 8/7/2021, 4:15 AM
@manofillintent1 - How long until William Shatner starts a twitter campaing for #ShatnerCut of Star Trek V?
Blergh
Blergh - 8/7/2021, 4:23 AM
"But it definitely wasn’t the exact vision of David, and it definitely wasn’t the exact vision of the studio."

I can definitely see that, the version that we ended up getting felt very much like a disjointed mish-mash of unfitting flashbacks in the first act while turning into a more coherent but completely meh-movie in the 2nd and 3rd.

Similar with the BvS: Ultimate Cut or the Snyder Cut I don't think any version of Suicide Squad would have been good, in the end the material shot is all they could work with and the same flawed elements were still present.

Personally I think DC and it's fans are banking too heavily on "alternate cuts" to fix the mistakes of the editing team while the mistakes have already been made during the writing/shooting proccess.

bobevanz
bobevanz - 8/7/2021, 4:26 AM
Let's hire a new editor and use his cut of the movie LMAO okay.... surely WB learned their lesson by now
BritishMonkey
BritishMonkey - 8/7/2021, 4:43 AM
Huh. So really there's more to back up a reason to release Ayer's desired cut.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 8/7/2021, 7:24 AM
@BritishMonkey - yeah, this time around a director's cut actually does seem to exist and maybe doesn't need 70 mil to finish
philinterrupted
philinterrupted - 8/7/2021, 5:35 AM
The guy talks in a way that makes me understand why these DCEU movies are destroyed by the studios.
LSHF
LSHF - 8/7/2021, 5:38 AM
"...we all sat in a room and tried to come up with what would be the best of both versions."

And there's one of the biggest mistakes they made (among many).
GwenLantern
GwenLantern - 8/7/2021, 6:09 AM
Translation:

"We had an editor, but then the fans in Hall H responded really well to our trailer (although seriously, when don't they?) so we immediately replaced the editor with the kids who made the trailer.
And that's why the whole thing felt like it was cut by a YouTuber. Because it essentially was."

#ReleaseTheAyerCut.
DiegoMD
DiegoMD - 8/7/2021, 6:55 AM
As someone who generally likes Snyder's films, I still prefer this to BVS (yes, both versions)
jerryblake
jerryblake - 8/7/2021, 7:35 AM
So what happened to Lee version and why was it replaced by another ?
I would rotfl if somebody told me that the test screening audience was never meant to see the version they saw and studio employees made a mistake.
4thMaster
4thMaster - 8/7/2021, 8:54 AM
So they replaced the og editor with The Dark Knight trilogy editor, who made the Ayer Cut. Then the studio tanked it because reasons, so got another guy, then got the trailer guy, & then Frankensteined those last two into a single cut? WTF were they even thinking?!

The Ayer Cut actually seems to exist, maybe they'll release it as-is early next year during a HBO MAX dry spell.
Battabing
Battabing - 8/7/2021, 12:11 PM
No one rewrote Ayer's movie. I doubt either cut was that good. But a good editor can make a difference.
globaltravels
globaltravels - 8/7/2021, 11:21 PM
So they took the cut that the guy who edited The freaking Dark Knight did and tossed it, then tested two different edits and decided on the more family-friendly version. Right.
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