Man Of Misunderstood: My Thoughts On Zack Snyder's MAN OF STEEL

Man Of Misunderstood: My Thoughts On Zack Snyder's MAN OF STEEL

I saw Man of Steel at the midnight showing fifteen minutes from my where I live. I am going to do a review mixed with what I believe to be misconceptions from so called "superman" fans that think this or that should not have happened in the movie.

Editorial Opinion
By Minotauro - Jun 14, 2013 01:06 PM EST
Filed Under: Superman
Source: Minotauro

1. There is a lot of so called "superman" fans(critics) that claim that this is a tedious action film that doesn't have Donner's influence anywhere in it. I say, that if you want to take the contrariety route then they simply need to stop giving reviews based off of that. Reeve's superman is for those who loved superman before 1986. Why 1986? Well, if you are a comic book fan everyone knows that "the Dark Knight Returns" made superman into a political "yes" man, that turned superman into a cold, dark enforcer. But..... As always, critics overlook things like this and think the Man of Steel was trying to break traditional convention and sabotage "their" version of superman they loved(the kitty cat saving one). While overlooking the superman that exists today.


2. Would the critics like superman that exists in stories like Superman vs. the elite? How about Red Sons superman? Would they complain about these types of stories because, in one superman kills? Or superman isn't for the "truth, justice, and American way?" I say they would. They did it with Watchmen. And they did it with V for Vendetta. Simply take it with all its truth. They don't want to give credit where credit it is due. One of the top critics claimed that Watchmen was a "mediocre" adaptation, when Watchmen was a page-by-page faithful adaptation. I think he took the contrariety angle just to stick out like a loose nail in a board to get some sense of enlightenment. Or hell, maybe just doesn't like Synder? Man of Steel seems to be falling into this same sad category of not liking because it doesn't resemble Christopher Reeve.


3. Why should you care right? A critics or "haters" opinion should hold about as much merit as you sitting on the toilet taking a S#*@t. I would agree with you, whole heartily. Even though I look at the RT scores as something of a "objective" rating along with Imdbs(not Top 250, just the score). Individual reviews from critics is something I don't care about. They are all trying to get feedback and publicity to boost their stock. I can forgive their non-likings, and likings for particular movies. But when they go out of their way to practice "philistinism" reviews toward a movie because it didn't look accustomed toward their past loves. Then I say their is no need for subjectivity, if that is the way they want approach a new and interesting Superman.


I enjoyed the Man of Steel. I'm giving it an 8/10, even though I'm really leaning toward a 7.5/10, because of some pacing issues in the beginning that I didn't like, or for the fact that is was extremely loud and unnecessary. Henry Cavill to me is my Superman. I want more movies of Superman with him. I enjoyed the cute smile of Amy Adams as Lois Lane. I think their chemistry was lacking the "romance", but this is a Clark/Superman movie. And she portrayed her roll correctly. I can forgive these little minor flaws. I was not overly serious when something Superman did, or didn't do(like snapping Zods neck, dawning the glasses until the end). I embraced it. I accepted change. Man of steel is a pure "fun" movie experience. It is loaded with action, and special effects. It has sad moments, and has its happy ones. There's enough for everyone. But sadly people will overlook it as a disappointment. And I say, "whatever".


P.S. Superman doesn't smile? He smiles when he's flying. He smiles when he is with Lois. He smiles when he is with Ma Kent. You get where I'm going with this...

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Minotauro
Minotauro - 6/14/2013, 4:09 PM
@HOES - Lol, nice username. But, no. Donners films have to much of an influence on critics minds that they can't seem to change their attitudes that this might actually be better for this time. But they are not going to give it credit purely on that.
exirae
exirae - 6/14/2013, 4:52 PM
Yeah. I agree with everything you said. I've thought about going through and eliminating all the reviews that either A) are fetishisticly in love with the donner version B) praise superman returns as an unsung classic C) shit on watchmen or D) claim that superman is a silly character and eliminating them, just to see what the RT scores would be after the fact. But I'm lazy.
RextheKing
RextheKing - 6/14/2013, 5:07 PM
Dude TASM would have like a 90-95% on RT if you'd remove every critic that gave the film negative reviews by comparing the film to Raimi's Spider-Man films. Critics, the ones that use their fanboyism to review films, are indeed idiots. Man of Steel is not Donner's Superman films, and TASM is not Raimi's Spider-Man films, so they should not be even compared when reviewed.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 6/14/2013, 6:28 PM
Did anyone see this?


Just after Superman saves Lois from the plane, and he's carrying her in his arms flying - it flashes for a brief moment. It's meant to be from the gravity beam, but the way it looks on his face - clear homage.

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Anyway, yeah, critics are kind of opinionated. I'm trying to remember the last Zach Snyder movie that got a critical score above 75.... Dawn of the Dead was the only real hit with em. You'll note that they have a particular bias against certain directors, even though really, there's no way their movie deserves that kind of "hate"... and there's really no way for the directors to pull themselves up and out of that rut unless they make some dramatic shift to a whole other genre.

Critics mean precious little to me. When a trailer sells me on a movie, well there you go.
tripttwe
tripttwe - 6/14/2013, 10:35 PM
This movie was AWESOME! One of the best CBM's ever (yea, I'm -almost- prepared to debate against TDK for the throne. If you don't agree- you're wrong. I'm so glad that they left the Donner blueprint and gave a wonderful depiction of fantasy meeting reality. It did as it stated (a lot)- It changes everything...
lucio7lopez
lucio7lopez - 6/14/2013, 11:05 PM
Hell yeah, the movie is INSANE EPIC AWESOME! Forget the critics and bad reviews, the movie is phenomenal!
Minotauro
Minotauro - 6/14/2013, 11:40 PM
@everyone - Thanks of for the replies. At least I know there is fans out there that can live with the changes and see where it goes from here.
Minotauro
Minotauro - 6/15/2013, 1:19 AM
@LogicofFlame - "Critics are meant to pick it apart"


Did you miss the part where I said when they take an approach of subjectivity instead of looking at it without past influence?? It's called putting yourself above a film. These critics are doing that with this film.
LOL
LOL - 6/15/2013, 2:58 AM
@RextheKing, I can understand the reasons for critic comparison for TASM and Sam Raimi's Spider-Man though - both movies aren't too far apart for the reboot to have that much of an impact to some of those so-called reviewers. The parallels are clearly seen because TASM was almost a copy of Raimi's first Spider-Man movie in terms of some origin plot despite the change in villains. We know it's not the same director, but I personally felt I was watching an alternate take of the same movie, but with different cast/directors. And Both villains were surprisingly colored "green" as well. They (the critics) can't help but make comparisons when even you and I can spot the similarities easily. From where I saw it; the reboot came too soon for most people when the last Raimi Spider-Man movie was five years prior to the release of the reboot. They should have waited a little longer for the movie to be made. TASM was Ok, but it could have been better if they'd taken their time with it - despite the feeling of déjà vu, the only thing that annoyed me personally, was the look and reasoning of the costume.

As for MOS and comparisons to Donner's "Superman: The Movie"... well, that's where I wholly agree with you. Some of the reviewers are just basing most of their knowledge of Superman from the Donner era and rarely seemed to take into consideration the rich history of the Superman mythos. The only thing that miffed me a bit was that Mark Waid didn't like most of it in his review (if you also read it). And while I respect Mark Waid as a writer, I think he kind of turned hypocrite a bit within the review - he explained in his run of Birthright that Superman is not infallible, the MOS movie shows that quite clearly. It was basically Superman: Year 1 with a Batman Begins vibe.

MOS is a breed of it's own, Zack already said that the treatment of the film had this as their tag line: "...what if there were NO prior Superman movies, and that MOS was the FIRST one?" If put in that context, then the reviewers who bash it because of comparing it to the Donner years really didn't get it, or whatever else their reasons were. The thing Snyder should have said instead was "forget what you know about Superman, and let us tell our own story with a semi-clean slate". Hardened critics probably would have been more welcoming of the change then.
J619SD
J619SD - 6/15/2013, 4:24 AM
@Tainted, I knew that looked familiar!! Nice find and has to be a nod to All Star Superman.
GeekyCheekyChic
GeekyCheekyChic - 6/15/2013, 5:01 AM
It is Superman 2013 not 1950, not 1978 not hokey dokey kitty cat in a tree and ho hum billionaire fool wanting to launch a land scheme. It is Superman the protector of earth and humanity and he defended the planet against an invading force of evil. Lois Lane ? I got her character as soon as she said "are we done measuring dicks ?" AND she will be further explored in a sequel ! This movie was Kal El and his journey to becoming Superman- he has to learn to be a hero out in the open as opposed to being a shadowy do-gooder. It was a nice set up for his forthcoming role as leader of the Justice League. In the end I only want one thing explained which Goyer and Snyder already said they will address and that is NOBODY WITH INTELLIGENCE WILL BELIEVE THE GUY IN THE GLASSES IS NOT THE SAME GUY IN THE BLUE WITH FLOWING RED CAPE
The movie is a solid 9/10- it is better than all but 5 other comic book movies (Batman Begins,TDK,Iron Man,Avengers,Spider-Man 2.5) which is debatable which is the beauty of discussion...BUT suck this movie does not...perfect ? no but so far not one cbm is without flaw.
Ship
Ship - 6/15/2013, 6:21 AM
What's TheBaroness says except for his cbm top 5 list. Mine is TDK, MOS, AVENGERS, SPIDER MAN 2 and TDKR.
RaMan
RaMan - 6/15/2013, 6:30 AM
MOS is mind blowing with all the action sequences in it!!

Just think of the action sequences of Transformers,
Transformers 2 & Transformers 3 all combine into one movie.

Critics need to stop comparing this movie to any of the Superman movies from the past. They were dull and boring and though I do have the dvd collections of the Richard Donner films, you cannot compare. Different directors, writer & different era.

this is modern and scientifically up to date.

best action packed comic book movie and best action of any movie ever, though I will admit it was a little too much action, I'm not going to complain. Still love it and will take my parents & kids to see it next weekend.
Lemons
Lemons - 6/15/2013, 8:01 AM
Finally someone who speaks my mind.
fartman844
fartman844 - 6/15/2013, 8:12 AM
I can see people comparing spiderman movies due to the short gap between them. But its been 30yrs since donners superman. Its time to move on! I hope WB sees past it and the box office does well.
ParisSun
ParisSun - 6/15/2013, 8:28 AM
Got to love fanboys taking what a few critics said and acting like that's why every critic doesn't like MoS.

The love of Donnors old film isn't the issue. The issue is what even the positive reviews are bringing up: too many action scenes over character development. It's a popcorn movie and it lacks depth. There are structural problems with the film that can visibly be pointed out. You can enjoy the movie but don't act like these people are crazy, there is a conspiracy or that they old men living in nostalgia over the 78 film.

You all say you don't care abou the critics but you continue to discuss them and not the movie. Enjoy the movie, discuss it all you want, go see as many times as you want but you're not going to change the mind of those who don't think this is the greatest movie ever.
darkknightmare2012
darkknightmare2012 - 6/15/2013, 8:29 AM
i loved the movie ... im glad it didnt try to be a donner film ... its wierd for me because i hated superman returns but i would get bashed by people who loved it and now im the one who feels like bashing the people who didnt like this movie ... was it perfect no not at all.
m0th3r
m0th3r - 6/15/2013, 8:35 AM
Some of the movie was spectacular, but it was very Snyder in pacing which frustrated me. Its not Donners Superman, which Singer tried to do an failed, its a true reboot. I personally give it 7 out of 10 and hope for a sequel, but its NOT on par with TDK at all...
Bodwulf
Bodwulf - 6/15/2013, 8:41 AM
You say you do not care what the "haters" and "critics" say but you write an entire article to insult and refute them. You care, you care.
ParisSun
ParisSun - 6/15/2013, 8:48 AM
@Bodwulf, that's exactly what I'm saying. It's starting to get old. You don't care about critics but every discussion page is about RT and the critics. Get over it already.

Everybody doesn't think this movie is the best comic book movie eva. You can bring up Donner, IM3 and whatever McGuffin you can think of, but that will not change the fact that the movie is visually attractive but lacks a soul, like Paris Hilton.

thewolfx
thewolfx - 6/15/2013, 8:54 AM
Mos 9/10.


RT just proves these critics of superman are out of touch with general audiences.

Superman returns has a higher rating and nobody really likes that movie , yet mos has a low rating but the general audience seems to love it.


I saw it last night and it was mind blowing
Bodwulf
Bodwulf - 6/15/2013, 8:55 AM
Ha!Great Paris Hilton metaphor!
testamentsol
testamentsol - 6/15/2013, 9:29 AM
[frick] RICHARD DONNER'S SUPERMAN FILMS!!!!!!! They don't hold up anymore, there's no nostalgia factor!! Its ok to say tht they suck!!! I don't want Superman to be like he was in those movies, it made sense back then but not nowadays!!
DUCKBOY
DUCKBOY - 6/15/2013, 9:45 AM
Not much of a gripe but if I had one we didn't get that one moment in the movie where bam hero saves the day n there's cheers from the crowd other than that. Wow great way to tell the origins with out dragging a storyline without action. Just hope that the writers stay true to mos when they do the sequel. Have him guide the world to being better, make pa kent proud. He's not a weapon or a line of defense, he's the symbol of hope!!!!!!!!
pwesterberg
pwesterberg - 6/15/2013, 9:53 AM
im so disappointed in this movie. bad acting from everyone except Costner and crowe, really bad cgi and way too much destruction. supes didn't seem to care that he was probably killing people when he and zod was smashing the shit out of the entire city. count me out of a dccu if this is gonna be the results. I think ill stick to the comics.
thewolfx
thewolfx - 6/15/2013, 10:08 AM
Waaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh. ^^^^^^^^




Have a bottle ya baby
Berserker187
Berserker187 - 6/15/2013, 10:25 AM
I enjoy the movie it was good but it had some flaws. Superman didn't even seem to care about the people when he was fighting and destroying the city. Although through out the movie that was his message he seemed to forget that at the end. Acting was good. I just had a problem with some of the point in the movie.
rosco71
rosco71 - 6/15/2013, 12:14 PM
I absolutely loved this film, I also grew up with the Chris Reeve films, back then they were great...for a generation of people who had cats stuck up a tree, or who were missing precious jewels due to a thief who wasn't afraid of heights, but this is a Superman for THIS generation, people who read the comics of exciting battles, spaceships and aliens, this had everything i wanted to see,..apart from a few things i would've changed, but to me this was a masterpiece,next to Watchmen and The Avengers, MOS is my favorite superhero film,...so far!
dudemanjac
dudemanjac - 6/15/2013, 3:04 PM
The thing I've noticed about all of these different reviews from all of the different sites professional and otherwise. Everyone has their favorite actor. If i'm to take any of these opinions as fact then I have to say they all rocked or they all sucked. I guess we all win that arguement. Actually I think it's generally accepted that Lois was no good, but through no fault of her own. And we all loved the action right. So much for the complaint of the last movie where he never hit anyone (not that that's a valid complaint, but whatever).

One thing I keep seeing is people saying that Superman can not be like the he was in the Donner movies because life is different now? I don't know what that means. What is it about the old superman that doesn't work? Are we not for saving people from earthquakes and land slides? Screw you fire fighters! Go freeze your own lake to put out the fire.
skslade1
skslade1 - 6/15/2013, 4:17 PM
This sh** is really getting old. A while back, most of the people were bashing superman returns and dogging Brandon Routh because of the way the movie turned out. When promotions for MOS surfaced, nobody couldn't wait for the movie to be released. As I predicted, the same people that wanted a better superman film are now b**chin about the film because of their expectations. Everybody can't be pleased, to all that complained about MOS, dig in your bank and do a better movie than MOS, and see if you can handle the pressure of people rating your hard work and effort to please a CB fan. MOS is the beginning of a new take in the DC cinema universe, every DC hero will have a fresh start, but once again when its done it won't be good enough for most of the people here on this site, if the shoe fits walk it out.
TheRaven20
TheRaven20 - 6/15/2013, 5:00 PM
You hit the nail on the head. There's soooo many people who think they know who superman is and consider themselves superman fans. This movie was a solid superman movie and for the stuff that was missing like the daily planet and lex luthor, people need to realize that that is coming in the sequel.

I've never been more frustrated talking to people about a movie. The people who didn't like this film just don't get superman or understand that this is and ORIGIN story. My one friend complained that there was "too much destruction" for a superman film and not enough having of people. So you want him to save a few people while Zod takes over the Earth and should he be more cautious when fighting Zod??? God forbid several buildings gets destroyed while a guy's trying to save the planet
redkrypton
redkrypton - 6/15/2013, 6:03 PM
This was a good movie. I have my issues with the movie, but the portrayal of Kal-El wasn't one of them. The characterization which is given in this film harkens back to the original Siegel and Shuster creation. While yes, he was a good guy and wanted to defend Metropolis/Lois Lane/Earth (depending on the type of villain in the story) but he was much more of a tough guy than before he was watered down to a big boy scout. He had no problem hurting the bad guys. He had no problem if, not shown in panel, his roughness caused fatalities among the bad guys. This is a very believable interpretation of the Superman character. That he would react the way he did at the end of the film shows he has a conscience and that what he did deeply affected him, though he knew it was the right thing to do.

Hopefully in sequels he won't become a cliched goody two shoes but will be a character who is refined by his experiences into an even greater hero than what was in Man of Steel.
ggo2588
ggo2588 - 6/15/2013, 6:39 PM
I feel the exact same way. Critics are OBVIOUSLY out of touch with exactly who Superman Is today. The critics are stuck on Reeves and Donners version, while good, ":the Movie" was light and campy. MOS is not "darker", it's just done in a more serious manner. Some movies are "artsy", most movies are for entertainment, and MOS is extremely entertaining. I can't wait to see MOS again, and be thoroughly entertained.
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