Six Reasons MARVEL Fears Ben Affleck

Six Reasons MARVEL Fears Ben Affleck

Laugh if you want, but what if this actually works?

Editorial Opinion
By RobGrizzly - Aug 26, 2013 11:08 PM EST
Filed Under: Superman


You've all heard it by now. And you've all shared your opinions. Ben Affleck is the new Batman. It has been entertaining hearing and reading what everyone has to say. Many negative responses revolve around Daredevil, but I think that's unwarranted since I've written that there's a lot FOX got right with Daredevil, which by the way, back in 2004, was one of the first CBMs that directly lifted from the source material. Anyway, I'm not here to condone or condemn. Even though my initial shock has settled, I STILL don't know what to make of this. But I do want to bring up some points I'm not hearing enough people talk about. I thought it would be interesting to take the positive defense, and go the other way with the feedback, looking at why DC's rival Marvel should be worried about what Ben Affleck's casting means.



People Care More
Let's face it. Superman and Batman are making headlines. Even if I could argue that they are publicity stunts (And I can. I still think this crossover is ill-advised and too soon, but that's an article for another day). These are the two most famous superheroes in history, and for anyone who even passively has enjoyed their exploits, What happens with them in tinseltown is news. Every single time, every single movie. They are more beloved, so it matters. Only a couple of Marvel characters can actually say that. And even then, casting news on that side is still kind of a collective 'whatever' from anyone who isn't a die-hard fanboy. If the Ben Affleck media circus that was this past weekend is an indicator of anything, it's that even against Marvels' 20 different movies, DC will still always have cache with their two flagship heroes. And steal their thunder every time.



Affleck Has Friends in High Places
And with Argo's Best Picture win, Big Ben cemented himself as Warner Bros' latest golden boy. No doubt the studio loves their Nolan. And to a lesser degree, Snyder, who have both made the company butt-loads of money with their films under the WB banner. It almost seems suspiciously convenient that Warners would go with Affleck. As if they didn't even bother looking. But if one actually watched the Oscars or the Golden Globes last spring (or followed the award season at all), it was undeniable the praise showered upon Ben from many of his peers, before during, and after these ceremonies. Celebrities all across Hollywood are eager to work with the young directing prodigy (young by directing standards- only 3 films? Damn!)
That means bigger names could be attracted to the DCU.



DC Finally Has Fans Behind the Films
Tim Burton, Martin Campbell, Bryan Singer. Look at the history of DC movies, and you're looking at a lot of flicks made with people that aren't necessarily knowledgeable about comics. (Not a bad thing, just an observation.) Even Chris Nolan doesn't really read them- he deferred to brother Johnathan and David Goyer's expertise, who were the geeks among the group. Zack Snyder is the director who really wears his fanboyism on his sleeve. And now we have Ben Affleck, a self-professed nerd who along with buds like Kevin Smith and more, could bring a wealth of love and faithfulness to these future projects that DC movies may have lacked in the past. Kevin Feige and Joss Whedon have been unabashed in the heart they put in Marvel movies. DC may finally have the means to do the same.



The Heath Ledger Comparison/ a.k.a. Eating Crow
This is the excuse defenders are using the most. Truth be told, I hate it. The Ledger/Affleck situations are so different it's not even funny. But I can't deny the underlying truth in the point they are trying to make: Give 'em a chance- they could impress. A petition was started against Daniel Craig, who is arguably the best James Bond now. But sticking with comics (Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man), hell, or even Batman alone, Mr. Mom Michael Keaton blew past expectations, and even the disliked Anne Hathaway stole the show as Selena Kyle in The Dark Knight Rises.
This is what Marvel has to worry about; the possibility that maybe Ben Affleck might own Batman, and yet again, WB/DC will have another 'all-time unforgettable' performance under their belt, while Marvel flicks will remain *serviceable* will their actors, with the only exception being RDJ.



The Possibilities Are Endless
Already the speculation is running rampant about what Ben Affleck means for the DC Universe. What kind of Batman will he be? What kind of tone does the movie take now that he's on? He's signed for multiple pictures, so that opens the Batman continuity up (never before seen villains?) as well as helps solidify Justice League as something that's not just a pipe dream anymore. And of course the biggest question of all- Will he direct one of these mf'ers, because that would be amazing! The best thing DC can do to separate themselves from Marvel is make intense action hero movies with dramatic weight. Man of Steel kicked things off in this sense, and they can only grow from there. Heck, Affleck's The Town is essentially a feature-length expansion on The Dark Knight's opening heist scene. A lot fits together here that people may not have expected.



or....



He Could Ruin It For Everyone
To play devil's advocate to myself, of course there's a chance this whole thing could fall apart. I'm not completely blind. And I don't want to be one of those people who takes the high road and sticks my nose up at all the negative remarks because "nerds will be nerds". Passion is not pathetic. And it IS okay to disagree with Hollywood. From remakes down to casting, there is no law saying you have to like everything movies do because they are right, and you are wrong. Sometimes these things fail.
And yes, sometimes nobody listens to us. Nicholas Cage as Ghost Rider? How did THAT turn out? Maybe Johnny Depp playing a Native American wasn't the best route to take. Never underestimate the power of public opinion. Battleship was a bad idea, and guess what? We buried it.

So suppose Ben Affleck's Batman epically fails. Wouldn't Marvel be happy? No, I say fear this because a bad comic book movie is always bad for the genre as a whole, and which side you're on doesn't matter anymore. With CBMs bombarding us every year from now at least until 2021, general interest could wane in the wake of any misfire, especially a marquee name like Batman. We can't afford it. So for all our sakes, PLEASE be good!
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3DWitchHunt
3DWitchHunt - 8/27/2013, 12:19 AM
Ahhh shit
This thread is gonna be interesting
TheManFromMars
TheManFromMars - 8/27/2013, 1:57 AM
Marvel "fears" Ben Affleck?

Why?

I don't see why they should give a shit one way or the other.

The only consequence Affleck's success/failure will have on Marvel is how whiny the fanboy wars will be.
TheManFromMars
TheManFromMars - 8/27/2013, 1:59 AM
@Jollem

Then the title should be "6 Resons Marvel FANBOYS Fear Ben Affleck"
kinghulk
kinghulk - 8/27/2013, 2:55 AM
marvel couldent gve a sht about ben afflec ot DC in general.
SageMode
SageMode - 8/27/2013, 2:55 AM
Marvel fears Ben Affleck? A one-dimensional actor who's been in the business for over 30 years and still hasn't been known for a single memorable performance? Or the obviousness that WB/DC is shoehorning Batman into the MOS sequel after seeing MOS perform under their expectations cause they think its gonna guarantee them a billion $ at the box office?

Please, Marvel Studios have been the trend setters for a long time. That's why after the huge success of THE AVENGERS, WB/DC and Fox are doing their own shared cinematic universe with their superhero properties. Marvel's got them chasing their tails and its gonna end up in failure for the both of them.

Starkasm
Starkasm - 8/27/2013, 3:31 AM
What FIRG said.
Highflyer
Highflyer - 8/27/2013, 3:32 AM
@SageMode, one dimensional? smh
SageMode
SageMode - 8/27/2013, 4:34 AM
Highflyer

Yeah. One dimensional where all his roles feel like he's just being Ben Affleck with a slight personality change to coincide with the role.
SageMode
SageMode - 8/27/2013, 4:38 AM
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 8/27/2013, 4:43 AM
@Sage: Personally, I agree with you at times but this is one instance where I don't. He's a good actor.

As far as this article goes, it's bullshit. Not to mention only intended to start a flame war. As much as I love a good debate, they get too serious and edgy for the EdgyOutsider. Is he guilty of them too though? Of course. Personally, Marvel Studios is successful off of heroes nobody knew about and an Iron Man that is funny. No one cares about Iron Man cause they just want to see the spectacle and want to hear the humor and wit out of his mouth. Which is a damn shame and why I think it would be great if Mark Whalberg replaced him. Warner Bros is retaliating to every move Marvel makes at this point. Quicksilver news? Well, we are releasing The Flash in 2016 and getting his own show. The Avengers? Quick, let's make Justice League. They won't even consider Aquaman or Wonder Woman until they see the success of, Guardians of the Galaxy and the possible success (which I still think the movie will flop) of Ant-Man, more than likely.
KalKent853
KalKent853 - 8/27/2013, 6:13 AM
Main problem with this article, well one point really, Anne Hathaway did NOT steal the show in TDKR. Horrible casting decision, she is a terrible actress. The 3rd act of that film ruined it completely, but none the less her presence added nothing.
StrangeBlackPantherDoctor
StrangeBlackPantherDoctor - 8/27/2013, 6:15 AM
Good Article but change the title.
Greengo
Greengo - 8/27/2013, 6:38 AM
Yes good points indeed.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 8/27/2013, 7:21 AM
Of course SludgeTroll would bitch about how they aren't like how he defends Marvel any time someone says something negative about them....

On the subject, no. Fox, Sony, and WB are competing with Marvel Studios in just the superhero department but Marvel Studios ain't competing with them.
Greengo
Greengo - 8/27/2013, 7:27 AM
Funny thing about Daredevil is that it was co-produced by Kevin Feige.

The failures of that movie can be spread around but I hold the director Mark Steven Johnson as primarily responsible.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 8/27/2013, 7:30 AM
I did like the Daredevil directors cut.

I like Ben as DD and MCD as Kingpin.

Final fight scene between Kingpin and Daredevil is one of my favorite CBM fight scenes.
Greengo
Greengo - 8/27/2013, 7:39 AM
MSJ should have stuck to comedy.

Wait... it actually seems like he did, albeit unintentionally.

: )
marvel72
marvel72 - 8/27/2013, 9:08 AM
marvel studios doesn't fear ben affleck,they're a small studio that has big ideas that has inspired warner bros & fox to create a cinematic universe of their own.

marvel studios will continue to do things the way they are because their formula seems to be working for them.

nothing to worry about from ben affleck or warner bros,marvel studios didn't worry about nolan they certainly won't be worried by ben affleck.
MrCBM56
MrCBM56 - 8/27/2013, 10:56 AM
It's pretty much

The 2 Greatest Heroes in the World
vs.
The B-Lister team sequel with a lot to expect in the sequel......ALOT!


LMFAO. Pretty sure The Avengers (with the exception of Hawkeye and maybe black widow), are now a listers. And if it wasnt for MOS, Superman would have fallen down to a C-lister in the GA eyes.
jaysin420
jaysin420 - 8/27/2013, 11:42 AM
Affleck is the hottest director in Hollywood, I'd love to see what these Marvel fanboys would say if their team signed him to play a superhero knowing he'd direct future movies (especially since Marvel hasn't had the best history with directors).

The fact is they could have hired ANY ACTOR ALIVE to play Batman for Bat vs Supes and it would easily be a mega-blockbuster.

This is more about the future of the DCMU and locking up Affleck is a incredibly strong move.

(I'm sure I sound like a marvel hater and dc lover but I'm not, my favorite CBM is IM and then Avengers, I thought Nolan's Batman was incredibly overrated and MOS was decent but a big letdown for me).
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 8/27/2013, 12:10 PM
Well... you can say people care... But the avengers got about 300 million more than the dark knight rises. And Iron man 3 doubled Man of steel at the box office...
SageMode
SageMode - 8/27/2013, 12:17 PM
LevitiShit

Grasping. Just stop with your DC Apologist ass.
Highflyer
Highflyer - 8/27/2013, 12:47 PM
To be honest, since 2009 most of Ben Affleck's performances have been well-received.
Highflyer
Highflyer - 8/27/2013, 12:55 PM
Daredevil director's cut was badass. I can say that much.
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 8/27/2013, 1:22 PM
Marvel blowing out everyone as far as comic book movies go. Funny thing is Marvel is able to compete with everyone as a whole because of how much money they are making. Maybe not the best studio but up there right now. Also Daredevil was horrible Levi. If your going to say TASM was bad then DD was just even worse. Although I do agree I liked Kingpin but nobody else was halfway decent.
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 8/27/2013, 2:10 PM
If Man of Steel/Batman makes more then IM3 I will be suprised. Hopefully it makes around there cuz that will show DC is finally on track. I think BA will do well as batman. Its Snyder VS Wheadon, they both have great casts and great heroes to work with. Who can make a better script and better movie? we will see.
marvel72
marvel72 - 8/27/2013, 2:43 PM
the avengers captain america,iron man,hulk & thor are all a-listers they were some of the very first heroes created by marvel & captain america is nearly as old as superman & batman.

you dc fans think you know an a-lister marvel character but clearly you don't.

"the S stands for hope" what warner/dc are praying for.
Starkasm
Starkasm - 8/27/2013, 3:59 PM
If Batman/superman is a success it doesnt mean Dc/wb are on track -_-
Two of biggest names in comics in one movie of course it'll draw people in. We saw that people liked an hour of continuous repetitive action in MoS so this should do well too. I'd be more worried if it didnt do well.

Sorry but Avengers did 1.5 billion first time round. Everyone is aware of them now. I believe A2 will challenge either one of Cameron,'s films for top 2.
CaptainHulk3
CaptainHulk3 - 8/27/2013, 4:01 PM
@sagemode {standing ovation}
CaptainHulk3
CaptainHulk3 - 8/27/2013, 4:08 PM
Is there anyway Team Marvel could challenge the Team DCers to a fist fight! So over the fatal attraction this website has with DC comics! Im gonna quit sharing & clicking here till they regulate! My time now is ate up with battling these DC babies!!! ............................. CBM you are the weakest link GOODBYE!!!!!!!
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