Superman Reboot should start with his Death

I agree!!! : P

so you want to kill Superman in the beginning of the film, and then go most of the movie without him in it, and bring him back at the end? no thanks.

or do you want him to die in the beginning, and then come back like 10 minutes later? no thanks again.

no offense, but killing him off isn't the way to go in my opinion.

nice @Thekevin.

@ tyler
I agree with everything you said.

and Doomsday is the worst character in the history of comics. I just don't get how people can think he's this great villain. he sucks in every way.

CDB: He's strong and can punch stuff. I think that's all some people need for a great villain :)

No, he's one of the best Superman villains.

It seems you just want a Michael Bay-esque, 2 hour fight scene, judging by your overuse of "EPIC!!!". Yeah, Doomsday's epic, but that counts for SHIT when he's a shit villain and when it's completely the wrong time to do a Doomsday movie.

Doomsday is a stupid character who serves no other purpose than to kill but not really kill Superman. And to grunt. Boy does he grunt with the best of 'em! I've never ever heard anyone give any sort of reason as to why Doomsday's a good villain other than "HE'S EPIKZ!"

Story-wise, it just makes no sense to do a Death of Superman movie at this point in time. They tried to engage the audience into emotion when Superman died in Returns, but it failed. It would be the same exact situation here. You know why? Because we've barely gotten to know the new Superman and his relationships with Lois, Jimmy, Batman, etc. How can we care if they don't develop the characters enough to get any good connections with them? How would it do justice to the characters by rushing what should be a story that develops over several films? For someone who makes a huge deal about sticking and doing justice to the comics, you're really doing the exact opposite by doing the Death of Superman arc in such a rushed manner.

And we've been waiting just as long for a Brainiac movie. So please stop using that lame ass excuse for doing a Doomsday movie. How about focusing on what makes sense in the current continuity and state of the franchise instead of just complaining about what we haven't gotten to see yet? But hey, story and logic don't matter, right? Throw Doomsday in there and have him kill Superman in his reboot where we are supposed to get reintroduced to the character, kill him when we barely know him and would barely care and no justice at all would be done to the character or his death. All that matters is EPIC ACTION SCENES AND BOX OFFICE GOLD! Character development? Who needs it?! Emotion and heart? Overrated! Logic, continuity, and sensible filmmaking? GTFO with that baloney! A good superhero film always has the focus set squarely on action, after all, EPICNESS = brilliant filmmaking! Just ask Bay! ROTF was critically praised for it's close attention to action and should have gotten Best Picture!

Please. Stop drinking the "EPIK!!!!" Kool-Aid for a second. Using Doomsday in the reboot not only negates the reboot's purpose, but the purpose of the Death of Superman story as well. It makes 0% of sense to do it.

@corndog:I'm not talking about killing him in the beginning you "Corndog". I mean kill him in the first movie. What's a superman movie without superman?

@tyler: The death of Superman comicbook lasted like 2 months. If you can give me a Michael bay-esque fight scene between the two I'll gladly accept that. Superman and Doomsday Destroyed the whole city of Metropolis fighting. If there was any fight that needs Bay-esque explosion it's that one. Who in the world Don't know the origin of Superman. Everyone knows Superman. Reintroduced? we've been reintroduced with Tom Welling, Dean Cain and Brandon Routh. We know him already. The fight should last the entire first movie. Bring him back him back in first quarter of the second movie. When crime is at it's worst and Metallo as the main villian and Lex luthor as president. everything has to be turn upside down in the second film.

Thekevin: Well, if you literally want a 2 hour fight scene for a Superman movie, all the power to you. Personally, I want a good film that has action, but also has a brain and intelligence, with heart as well. We won't get that with a Death of Superman movie this early on, and we certainly won't get it if Lee has his way.

And yes, reintroduced. The difference is, none of the actors you listed will be playing Superman. They will not be doing the same thing they have done in prior Superman films. A new characterization and a new actor call for a reintroduction. It has nothing to do with who knows the origin, it has to do with the attachment and bond that must be made between the audience and the character. Having a 2 hour fight with no character development whatsoever accomplishes none of that.

In fact, just what does it accomplish? What's the point of doing a 2 hour fight and killing Superman if there is no character development and he just gets resurrected in the next movie? Where is the purpose? Is it really just to see a 2 hour epic fight just for the sake of seeing it? It makes no sense.

"If The nolan have anything to say about it, We're not getting a JLA movie!"

What? A JLA movie will happen eventually, with or without Nolan. He won't deliberately stop WB from doing that. All he is focusing on is making sure he finishes his Bat-trilogy the way he wants to and also just nudging the Superman reboot along the right path to greenlight. A JLA movie will include Batman, just not Nolan's Batman. I can't see how you think that Nolan won't let JLA happen.

Yeah yeah, Doomsday killed Superman! But he really didn't. Superman got resurrected soon after that. I can understand maybe if Doomsday killed Superman in some special way, but all he did was pound on him until they both "killed" each other. Doomsday is nothing special at all. Anyone could have thought of a villain who could do the same thing.

I'm more in line with Tyler on this. Here's my reasoning on why killing Supes in the first film of a reboot is a bad idea.

1. It’s a reboot... simply discard what has come before, don't address it destroy it and restart it, why waste the extra time, just get on with the new story.

2. We need to get to know and love the new Superman for his death to have any emotional weight.

3. His death is predictable, you KNOW he's going to be resurrected by films end because he's freaking Superman and its the first movie of a new franchise... it kills the suspense.

4. His death should be after JLA, for the story to have weight at all you need more perspective on his death than just Lois and Ma Kent. If you hold off until after JLA and contract the actors in it to cameo in other DC films you can play up the whole "Death of a Friend" aspect that DC did so wonderfully in the comic post Superdeath.

5. Is Doomsday cool? Yes. Could he carry an entire movie as the villain? No, and for this reason: He kills Superman in the first or second act... Then what? What does a nearly mute brainless villain do aside from trash stuff for the rest of the flick until Superman inevitably come back to life?

6. Don't waste the death of Superman/Resurrection of Superman and fall of Hal Jordon connection. JLA, Supe 3 Death, GL 3 fall of Hal... it will take a while, but it unfolds better that way.

I think it sounds like a great idea but either for the future, like it's been mentioned, since doomsday completely knocks out the entire JLA, it need to remain truthful to that. So that would take a long time. The alternative would be to go on after that. And then in the future they make a prequel, after JLA is already out (ot shooting the prequel to superman/doomsday at the same time as JLA, but to come out later).

I did enjoy this article though more so than the great majority of the ones I've read here. I think it makes a lot of sense to kill the last superman from the 80s to give any logic to today's superman. Good job.

However showing just doomsday and superman, like in the animated feature, would be a disaster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBWW4m3Rvm0

My Superman: Doomsday fan edit

i think we should keep superman as he is -- innocent, upright, etc...

but ya, we could do with the death of Superman as a reboot. make the reboot a 2-parter, continuing from Superman Returns. hist space travel in Superman Returns could have somehow attracted doomsday or some other galactic villain.

have superman killed within first hour of the movie. watch the world as they mourn over superman while destruction continues (another super villian required or perhaps not following 100% like in the comics -- doomsday survives and continues the carnage). we can even see other DC heroes making appearance in the movie.

have superman finally come back in Pt2... Make a dramatic entrance, etc... At the end, he could have his powers redefined but his 'innocence' maintained, etc...

one thing i was disappointed with Superman Returns was the sound effect just wasn't there when he returned and saved the plane. it was not dramatic enough.