SUPERMAN REIMAGINED: An Editorial

SUPERMAN REIMAGINED: An Editorial

Recently, Zack Snyder was hired by Executive Producer Chris Nolan (Batman Franchise & Auteur) to direct a new film based on the Superman comic book property. I am heartened that Nolan had the foresight to tap Snyder for the job as I feel he has been underrated as of late because of the poor box office performance of THE WATCHMEN. Snyder definitely has his work cut out for him.

Editorial Opinion
By dageekundaground - Oct 09, 2010 11:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Superman
Source: shadowgeek10

A new Superman movie will be a tough nut to crack considering the last few missteps and ramifications stemming from the lawsuit filed by creators Simon & Shuster’s estates. One can only hope that an origin story will be jettisoned in favor of a complete adventure that will take full advantage of all the state-of the-art advances in VFX and finally give the man of steel his due.

Yet part of me can’t help but feel as if Superman will be given some sort of hack-eyed treatment by parties involved. Superman is the first…. Case 0, where the superhero genre in comics began to explode into popular culture. There is not one place on the globe that Superman’s crest would not be recognized, yet we live in cynical times where people are not so trusting, expect the worst from one another.

Is there a place for Superman in the imaginations of today’s society?

I have been watching Smallville for just over five seasons and the show currently in its tenth and final season continually retreads the mantra of Clark’s journey and the No-tights, No Flights themes set up by its original producers. It’s just that the show runners seem to be running out of ways to rehash the same tired “should I or shouldn’t” themes. Continuity is shredded wholesale in favor of well worn pseudo melodrama.

In short, this program has become a chore to watch. I like Tom Welling as Clark Kent. He projects just the right amount of “Good Will & Earnestness” to convince me that he will be Superman some day. The inclusion of altered versions of other DCU super heroes & characters helps make the show more palatable, but diminishes Clark’s impact.


I’ve been around long enough to have viewed the Superboy and bits of Lois & Clark programs. These shows had the suit and some decent action (Lois & Clark was bogged down by sitcom style writing.). But I keep coming back to the question in front of all of our noses, plain as daylight.


Can Superman be relevant according to today’s standards?

Think about MATRIX REVOLUTIONS where Keanu Reeves NEO character is presented as sort of a twenty first century version of the Man of Steel.





Now look at Tom Welling as the Blur in his dark clothing and trench coat reminiscent of NEO.





In 2006, Bryan singer’s version of The Man of Steel sported muted, burgundy colors in his costume, an overly subdued manner and a love child in an attempt to update him for a new generation. After viewing the film before writing this editorial, I ask myself why Singer felt the need to bring Superman down to ground level. It seemed as though this was the only way the director could relate to this Iconic character. The movie was a moderate if not critical success, but overall … audiences still didn’t “get” Superman.











Chris Nolan does excellent Batman films, no doubt about it …but has expressed some confusion regarding the Superman franchise. He should be a great producer for the franchise and has the clout to get Snyder’s version of the film done with minimal studio interference (I.e.; keep John Peter’s like interference from occurring).

Speaking of John Peters, here is an excerpt from the Kevin Smith’s Wikipedia page on his involvement with “Superman Reborn” project during the nineties:



Superman Lives
Kevin Smith pitched to Jon Peters his story outline in August 1996, in which Peters gave him permission to write a screenplay. However, Peters presented Smith with three rules, such as wanting Superman to wear an all-black suit, feeling the more traditional suit was "too faggy"; not wanting to see Superman fly, saying that Superman would "look like an overgrown Boy Scout." (In order to deal with this, Smith wrote Superman flying as "a red-and-blue blur in flight, creating a sonic boom every time he flew."); and have Superman fight a giant spider in the third act. Smith accepted the terms, realizing that he was being hired to execute a pre-ordained idea. Peters and Warner Bros. forced Smith to write a scene involving Brainiac fighting polar bears at the Fortress of Solitude, and Peters wanted Brainiac to give Lex Luthor a space dog, stating "Chewie's cuddly, man. You could make a toy out of him, so you've got to give me a dog." Smith claims this was because of the recent re-release of the original Star Wars trilogy, and claims that Peters wanted Brainiac's robot assistant L-Ron to be voiced by Dwight Ewell, calling him, "a gay R2-D2 with attitude."


Jon Peters is a SUPER GENIUS
(Fanboy Urban Myth: John Peters name is mud spelled backwards.)

In Look, Up in the Sky: The Amazing Story of Superman, Jon Peters admitted that the Superman franchise was problematic for him: "The elements that I was focusing on were away from the heart, it was more leaning towards Star Wars in a sense, you know. I didn't realize the human part of it, I didn't have that." He subsequently served as Executive Producer for Superman Returns, the 2006 movie directed by Bryan Singer.

That says a lot about the state of this franchise. I remember reading once that prolific B-Movie Director said of the Star Wars and Superman franchises …”I’d make one every year.” Sounds like the thought process of a B-movie director but it would have been sound logic and money in the bank.

Warner Bros. begs to differ dragging their feet on the project until comic book related movies were vogue again. Hiring Bryan singer away from the X-Men franchise and Fox Studios. Green lighting a project that clearly needed to be re-imagined for Generation Y. Singer’s take on the franchise was overly complicated when a simple action adventure would have sufficed. It is not about placating the fan boys, but simply giving the audience what it wants… “Entertainment”.

Yes, Zack Snyder definitely has his work cut out for him and I wouldn’t want to be in his shoes (well, maybe just a little.).

The world is waiting on baited breath for a New Superman for a New Generation”.
Shadowgeek10 returns to the shadows once more.
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LEEE777
LEEE777 - 10/10/2010, 5:09 AM
GEEK @ GR8 work dude and GR8 read! ; )

Welcome to MAIN!
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 10/10/2010, 6:13 AM
" Singer’s take on the franchise was overly complicated when a simple action adventure would have sufficed. It is not about placating the fan boys, but simply giving the audience what it wants… “Entertainment”."

Depends on your definition though doesn't it? Audiences clearly found Gi Joe and ROTF "entertaining". Personally I DON'T want Superman to be just another simple action adventure film, and whole Singer did forget about the action too much, I respect his attempts to at least go for both. It was a film far too in reverence of the earlier ones, but I don't care what anyone says, for me it was a success. That doesn't mean I don't want a new take this time around. A raging Supes on the war path will be just fine thanks you Mr Snyder!
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 10/10/2010, 8:10 AM
I LOOK FORWARD TO THE SUPERMAN FILM.
clarkkent007
clarkkent007 - 10/10/2010, 8:36 AM
i can`t wait for the new superman film i just hope its stands on its own and doesn`t get compared to the past films
LP4
LP4 - 10/10/2010, 8:38 AM
Singer was a douchebag and [frick]ed up the entire Superman franchise. Superman Returns was one of THE HIGHEST budget comicbook films and so with all the money and resources he was given, he should have delivered a much better film more worth our money. Not some whiney, emo Superman stalking lois and having a love-child that he abandoned. He didn't even throw a single, [frick]en punch.

So many have tried to make a Superman film to not avail- Ilya and Salkind failed...Jon Peters would have done a horrible job...the script J.J Abrams made SUCKED...Singer failed...

Superman seems to be THE MOST COMPLICATED CHARACTER TO MAKE A MOVIE FOR I have noticed...I just don't get why.
SHAZAM171
SHAZAM171 - 10/10/2010, 12:37 PM
ohsoserious
ohsoserious - 10/10/2010, 3:55 PM
@griffdeadpoolteabag you couldn't be more wrong Nolan makes phenomenal Batman movies and quite frankly the best comic book movies ever in my opinion .

This is a great article and I can't wait for this movie and thank god routh will most likely not be in it!!
Bartman87
Bartman87 - 10/10/2010, 5:49 PM
I think Nolan is over rated in terms of Batman sure he brought back the Batman franchise but he put Batman in the "real" world and in the Nolanverse Batman can't play with other heroes so in truth it is much like Smallville's Superman where in Batman's case he can only fight villains who Nolan thinks are worthy of putting on screen. Superman is a hero who is above all other heroes and needs a story with villains who can match his strength; plus we need to see him struggle with his "human" side and balancing Superman with Clark Kent. No more emo love story just trying to work and live in the world like a normal person while maintaining a secret identity. Where Bruce Wayne can be Batman because of his drive and his wealth, Superman has to be Clark Kent to remain grounded in humanity and also to maintain an apartment, clothing the essentials.
MrHateful
MrHateful - 10/10/2010, 5:49 PM
Nolan makes horrible batman films?

Batman is a man in a cape. Nothing more or less. The truth of the matter is Nolan doesn't make bad batman movies, Dc just happens to sometimes publish bat stories about batman.

I mean for gods sake, I've been reading the current batman comics since rip and you know why I think they're good? Because batman is human again. he's not some low rent superman.



ClarkKentSuperman
ClarkKentSuperman - 10/10/2010, 6:13 PM
With CGI and movie making the way it is today it will not be very hard to make a "GOOD" Superman movie. The entire planet more or less has an idea of who Superman is and how he came to be! You can retouch up on that in a total of 10 to 15 mins of the start of the film. All everyone and anyone needs to see is a villain someone other then Luther he can be in it but not the Main villain. We need someone that can hit and hurt Superman not just the same old Kryptonite shit we always see. Give the us ACTION. Superman toe to toe with someone and have Lex being the brains behind the whole thing. I am willing to bet any amount of money that a new villian and an EPIC BATTLE would put new life into the franchise and set better BOX OFFICE NUMBERS THEN IRON MAN or DARK KNIGHT FOR THAT MATTER!!!................. Yeah u read that right, I said it......MAKE MORE MONEY THEN DARK KNIGHT.......umm just in case you guys didnt figure it out yet people went to the box office to see JOKER not BATMAN!!! THE VILLAIN MAKES THE MOVIE.......give me BIZZARRO and the world will be a better place
illgrowupsomeday
illgrowupsomeday - 10/10/2010, 6:29 PM
I have been on this site for too long without ever posting. After years of reading your comments I must pipe up after hearing the discussion about costumes one too many time.

Leave the costume alone. Fist, there is immense brand recognition alone from a business point of view. By changing it, whatever the costume is, the “product” goes through a bit of turbulence with the current user-fan base. Think what it is like whenever they change your favorite restaurant-food-beverage’s label. There is always a bit of confusion or possible rejection at that point.
As far as practicality, here goes:

1. The briefs. What is the one piece of clothing that any man wants to ensure he has on. Underwear. No (normal) person feels comfy in a potentially vigorous activity without some sort of covering, Greeks notwithstanding. From a design point of view, the material necessary to hold up a beating would need to be somewhat less flexible than the rest of the outfit. This along the lines of the black box that planes use. If you lose all other clothing but that one piece, fine. And we all have seen the images of heroes completely torn up, except that one section.

2. The cape. While I love The Incredibles, one reason to have a cape aside from looking cool, is that it may hold some sort of practical use. Like Batman in Batman Begins, find some sort of reason to have it. If Superman has to save someone from a burning building, and he can withstand immense heat, wouldn’t it be nice to be able to wrap someone up in something so that they can keep their face after the fire?

3. The colors-symbol. In a world where it is hard to tell super friend from foe, these people need some sort of identification to show that they are on the good-side. One thing that separates soldiers from terrorists is an identifiable uniform. It would be valuable to have something so bright and recognizable from a distance so when in a fight, other good guys don’t try shooting you down with whatever they can throw at you. A large emblem and primary colors helps to see who it is that you are. Also, when doing a fly-by, a large red cape and blue clothing helps to keep up an intimidation factor.


They need to use physics. This is always what makes the superheroes look fake in the movies. One thing I loved about The Incredibles is that they were forced to take the time to apply physics since it was all done in a computer. This is part of what added to really make a fun and believable movie to watch.

When superman gets hit by a car or train or missile, even if it is something that would feel like a nerf ball to him, it still should cause him to get knocked around a little. The ground should have some sort of give to it when he absorbs a hitor takes off really quickly.
Layperson
Layperson - 10/11/2010, 12:05 AM
Like everyone I have my own ideas about what would make a good Superman movie. Costume debates aside, there is plenty you can do to keep Superman relevant; the fine people over at DC have been doing it for 70 years. I do believe in this website's ability to reach decision makers (at least to an extent) so I'll throw my 2 cents in and hope that somewhere in the echelons above reality our collective voice gets through.
I think we all have the same basic notions about where previous attempts to make a meaningful Superman transition from comic page to the screen--either big or small--have either fallen short or failed all together, and dageekundaground has detailed them here very well (mad props btw, dude)
Others have voiced very meaningful ideas about story and effects, Illgrownupsomeday's ideas about utilizing physics is really good, Bronx's statement that villains make the movie is true (although I don't want the villain to completely over shadow the hero's story, something TDK did a bit but Ledger was so damned good no one can complain), and Ror's comments about striking a balance between action and story are spot on, difficult to do, but spot on.
All that sounds great in theory but how to do it? Well, thankfully we live in a wonderful place where TDK changed Hollywood's perception of what a successful Comic book movie can be. It is possible to have a thought provoking, adult, and most importantly profitable movie. So without delving too deeply into things that have been remarked about already I'll try and throw out a few ideas and would love to hear what the community has to say about them.

As it should be cleared up that Superman is my favorite superhero and I naturally have some bias this may sound a bit preachy, I’m not trying to be, but hey…sorry. Well let’s start with what everyone seems to be talking about these days: A relatable contemporary Superman.
First, I’m not wholly on board with making Superman “relatable.” I’m a high school English teacher and use comic books frequently in my classroom (Lee/Kirby X-men, and Watchmen ftw btw). And although I’m sensitive to teenage angst, I’m not sympathetic to it. So let’s not confuse ourselves about the character, Superman is not Peter Parker, he’s not Bruce Wayne, he is not a bewildered teenager struggling with responsibility and ability, or a dark and brooding billionaire crusading for justice in dark corners. If you want an idea about who Superman’s character is…think George Washington, meets whatever your conceptions of a good Dad are. Nothing of this noble (albeit simplistic) characterization implies perfection. On the contrary it details a very human character who, if written well, can have all the flaws of a husband, leader, mentor, and man. You want depth in Supes?—have something bad, and by bad I mean—really bad, happen to Lois. Some of Superman’s finest moments on screen and on the page have come when you’ve pissed him off something terrible—the scream in Superman 1, His attacking U.N assembly in Kingdom Come, these are good examples of how Wraith is a flaw that Superman still can still fall victim to. Or how about allowing him to deal with failure in a meaningful way, Let the villain win. Lex is great in the comic books because he, for the most part, wins his battles to some degree. Superman needs to do more than save people...he needs to fail at it. That’s how we should be making him relatable, not by adding illegitimate kids and floating by Lois’ window at night. I did that when I was 16—not 28.
So, what do I suggest? Well, among other things, the obvious: a villain who can pull off atrocity in spite of Superman (I like the Eradicator personally and there’s a good link to Krypton there). If you want to write a really good story, make the villain just as relatable as the hero. Give the villain a cause that the audience can identify (but not support) with. This is what made villains like Bill the Butcher, Travis Bickle (shame on you if you don’t know that one), and Ledger’s Joker great. I’m not saying Superman shouldn’t go toe to toe with someone; just give that someone a cause that’s more than world domination and/or destruction. I’d like to see Eradicator w/ a Brainiac subplot but I have a feeling we’ll see Brainiac with a Luthor subplot.
The movie will have to cover some themes that are adult enough to stimulate thought about what our heroes should be, what they are, and what do when they fail, but needs to be pick a cohesive idea and do it well rather than a bunch of ideas half cobbled together. And has the entertainment value of a successful CBM (IM1, TDK). I advocate making at least 2 movies, with a heavy dose of irreversible bad things happening at the conclusion of the first. It has to be PG – 13 (an R rated Superman is just too much to hope for and not really needed). Warner Bros. seems to be on board with giving us a Superman we can respect, hence Nolan’s and Snyder’s involvement and I commend them for that. But I am worried when I hear news about the script being rushed, ideas about another origin, and drastic changes to the Superman’s character.

Here are some wackado ideas that will never happen and wouldn’t please everyone, but would make for an interesting Superman movie:
- Have the story told from an outsider’s perspective ala Norman McKay
- Have Superman be older than usual, a husband, and an established figure in the world (something I can’t believe no one seems to have thought of)
- Bizzaro isn’t a bad idea for a villain, and you could give him a sort of King Kong type connection with the audience (and Lois obviously), something that I think works if done right.
- Kill off a semi-major character like Ma or Pa Kent, Jimmy Olsen, or Lana Lang after he’s already sporting the S. (warning what’s done on film tends to be irreversible even in unrelated media—this is slippery slope)
- Introduce other major DC characters like Marvel is doing, little nods/Easter eggs here and there, easily done with Lantern if Brainiac is involved.
- Have regular men like Bibbo do something to save the day that Superman cannot, Superman’s greatest power has always been inspiration, something that has been missing from screen interpretations.

Alright I think that’s enough for today.
Layperson.
ohsoserious
ohsoserious - 10/11/2010, 12:38 AM
I don't understand why everyone bitches about Batman being in his own universe. Who cares I don't go to a Batman movie to hear about Superman I go to see Batman and his villains its not marvel where they're setting up for a team up seeing as how a justice league movie isn't looking promising.
And as for the villains Nolan pics he's picking people a real human with no powers can handle and someone that you could actually see as being real. Now with Superman you can have that over the top monster of a villain that can only be stopped by someone with super powers.
So quit hating on Nolan because he's done better than anyone before him on making a cbm his box office numbers show that. And when you say people only went to see the joker guess who hired that guy to play him and directed him? That's right Nolan.
So give the man a chance you haters because him and Snyder can probably make an epic movie with the man of steel.
RyKnow
RyKnow - 10/11/2010, 8:08 AM
@ Ysoserious - I couldn't agree with you more regarding Batman. A point well made ;)
I'm only gonna disagree with you on Snyder, I'm an open advocate of getting rid of him now before it's too late. Regardless, I will still see the film and I pray to God I'm not let down.
jaysin09
jaysin09 - 10/11/2010, 10:43 AM
Although I'm saving judgement for the actual movie, I'm not sure Snyder is the right choice. Looking at his previous work on 300 and Watchmen... I'd have to say both movies we're really overrated. It's not necessarily his fault, as more times than not, comic book dialogue just doesn't translate to the screen w/o sounding super cheesy, and comic book plots can be overly complicated for 2 hr movies. But try watching 300 w/ someone who doesn't know anything about comics. They will literally laugh out loud at the hokey lines the characters force out.
Regarding Watchmen,.... I'll admit I never read the books until after I saw the movie. But I can tell you as a non-biased observer, that movie just felt long, drawn out, and frankly, pretty boring for the most part. I feel like people went into the movie already deciding they were going to love it, instead if letting the movie stand on its own.
Which brings me to my main point, a good movie (especially a cbm) has to stand on its own and be good regardless of the fervor of a built in fanbase and independent of the source material. IMO, the Nolan Batman movies definitely did that, as did the Donner Superman films. Singer's Superman Returns definitely did not.
I for one, wouldn't be opposed to bringing in a director who was completely new to the cbm genre. Someone who wants to make this movie stand on its own and can bring a fresh perspective to the character but at the same time, stay true to what makes the character so appealing to begin with.
In all fairness though, I'll reserve my criticism for when the movie comes out, and I'll just cross my fingers 'til then.
Layperson
Layperson - 10/11/2010, 3:16 PM
Personally, I think that Snyder's involvement a step in the right direction. I appreciate that he has had some issues with things like bullet-time in the past, but the fact that he's willing to tackle adult concepts with creative and unique vision...even if he's had only modest success.

Nolan and Snyder alone don't equal successful movie, but they are part of a quality equation. Add in quality casting and creative writing and you're half way to bringing a successful Superman movie to the public.
LP4
LP4 - 10/11/2010, 4:04 PM
I doubt Snyder can [frick] up as bad as Singer though...Singer [frick]ed...up...BAD.
DudeOfSteel16
DudeOfSteel16 - 10/11/2010, 6:26 PM
@LP4 True that.
Layperson
Layperson - 10/11/2010, 7:06 PM
Word.
LP4
LP4 - 10/12/2010, 1:52 AM
@BigChief16 and Layperson- THANKS GUYS!! =)

"bye bye singer, back to marvel with you!" lol
RyKnow
RyKnow - 10/12/2010, 5:00 AM
@ Layperson - "Nolan and Snyder alone don't equal successful movie, but they are part of a quality equation."
I respect your opinion mate, but The Dark Knight was a successful movie, Watchmen flopped (it didn't even break even financially)
Batman Begins, The Prestige, Memento, Inception; all successful movies, all directed by Nolan. All made a lot of money.
Legend of the Guardians, directed by Snyder; it flopped - (again, it didn't even break even).
I think we can already see who's movie's are successful and who's aren't.

Snyder's had his hits with 300, and Dawn of the Dead (the only thing he's been associated with that's good imo) but when you look back at the ammount of money he's spent on films to how much he's raised, you'll see that Zack Snyder is like a wallet with a hole in it. Even critically, his films aren't very good and he has a diluted Wachowski Bros. style (not that they're anything special). But like I said, I respect your opinion, and I'm not having a go ;)

I'll end with this though, "Snyder does not deserve to make a Superman film".
LP4
LP4 - 10/12/2010, 9:41 AM
@RyKnow- I actually LOVED Watchmen and 300, both were great Snyder films. I think Watchmen was completely underrated.

And to compare Watchmen with Superman Returns...??? Superman Returns is near the bottom of the totem pole with Ang Lee's Hulk and Halle Berry's Catwoman. Watchmen I would tie with the Dark Knight.

Even my friend who read the Watchmen comic even said he couldn't decide what was better- Dark Knight or Watchmen. Snyder makes good CBM's, much better than Bryan Singer anyway. So this is a refreshing change.
RyKnow
RyKnow - 10/13/2010, 4:08 AM
@ LP4 - That's the thing mate, I'd put Watchmen - not at the bottom - but in the middle, alongside Superman Returns (I'm ready and prepared for the backlash on this lol).

And to compare Watchmen to The Dark Knight??? The Dark Knight is in a whole different league compared to Watchmen. TDK had a gripping story that kept you involved throughout, whereas nothing really happened in Watchmen.

Thanks for the reply anyway mate ;)

Matt Reeves for Man of Steel!
Layperson
Layperson - 10/13/2010, 7:37 AM
@RyKnow- I'm not ecstatic about Snyder, but he's much better than some of the alternatives that are out there. Because I trust Nolan's judgment so much, I'm willing to accept his choice in all of this.

Again that being said, Snyder is not perfect for Superman, but neither is Nolan. No one really is, but these two guys will do their best to create a quality, adult, and respectable movie that draws influences from the comics, but will ultimately be a movie that fans everywhere will enjoy. Is it going to be perfect? No. But will it be good? Yeah, I think so...provided Welling has no part in it :p
RyKnow
RyKnow - 10/13/2010, 9:07 AM
@ Layperson - You're probably right, and I'm sure Nolan's got a master plan in all of this.
I'm not trying to judge the end product (I'm all against that sort of thing), I'm just going by Snyder's previous efforts, and I really don't want a Superman film steeped in gloom (a la Watchmen) or Superman in bullet time and painted muscles (a la 300).
In retrospect, I suppose I should be grateful they've got a great scriptwriter on board in the form of David Goyer.

I hope to God I'm wrong in the way I'm thinking about all this and the Superman film we get is the one we all deserve.

And I'm totally with you on the Welling part :)

Peace.
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