DOCTOR WHO Season 2 Finale Ends With A Huge Cameo And A Shocking Introduction As The Doctor [SPOILER]

@TheVisionary25 - Yeah, it's always good to find a way for the past Doctors to return and help out the current one.

Yeah so did I.

@NinnesMBC - Also not happy Gatwa didn't get the more typical three seasons and instead only two as he has been a great actor in the role even if individual stories let the series down (which can be said of ALL incarnations). I suspect Billy won't be around for long and just wrapping up the Tennant and The Pantheon arcs prior to the next full time Doctor.

@TheFinestSmack - Split into two? I don't keep up w/ Doctor Who, but was the 14th Doctor like a clone or something of the 10th Doctor?

@DJSharp22 - I still don't fully understand it, but Jodie Whitaker's Doctor regenerated in Dave Tenant but instead of him being the tenth Doctor again, he was considered the fourteenth Doctor. Then after three special episodes, he "bi-generated" and split into two; himself and the new fifteenth Doctor. So 15 does off and has two series while 10 (er.. 14) chills and relaxes with Donna Noble and her family.

@Radders - No Timelord Children were ever shown during Classic Dr Who bar his ward, maybe , nor was the parents of his 'Granddaughter' ever revealed in any way during her time on the show. Including what happened to them for that matter, it would be just as likely at that time it could have been revealed she was the child of prior companions he adopted for how little we were told about her far as I'm aware during the run of the 1st as only started watching with the 3rd Doctor myself. The Beeb didn't do reruns back then, didn't even retain copies of all episodes of the first Doctor, and only been since the shows return I think any channel has shown classic Who episodes for a second time and course available online.

There has been MANY contradictory narrative about her since on the show or loose canon audiobooks/novels, which have never adequatly been cleared up (the original actor having appearance this season as his Granddaughter may show an intent to finaly clean all of that up).

Thus during classic Who which RTD grew up on and was a super nerd for there was always a lot of speculation about such things. Mention of the Doctor having children and his female clone was all modern who as was the first time of seeing the Doctor and the Master in their youth but all of that childhood stuff was thrown into flux with the Timeless child storyline. What the Timeless child storyline also setup was the idea of false memory, ie that the Timelords had the ability to wipe all recollection of all prior incarnation and implant false memories which may have included the idea that they are sterile even if they are in fact not.

The assumption may have always been that Timelords had kids the same way we do but as in over 60yrs of the show being on there was never any apparant population growth for the Timelords, no new Timelords as all introduced came with a long offscreen history questions have remained in the minds of some.

I am not saying all came to the same conclusions over everything, assumptions were made and references included in modern Who. However RTD throwing in a new concept that at some undertermined point Timelord became/become sterile (perhaps only able to be parents in their first form, sterile after first regeneration) does not exactly break canon even if a retcon.

However the idea that at some point during a regeneration the Doctor would bigenerate is implied if not explained in classic Who with the introduction of the Valeyard (1986 first appearance) as he came into being somewhere between the 12th and final incarnation of the Doctor according to The Master (ie there was a Doctor before and after him whilst the Valeyard came to be an seperate evil incarnation seperate to the Doctor, suggestive of bigeneration).

The concept that the Doctor could take female form was confirmed by all the creatives back in the 80's, it may have taken longer than they then promised it would occur but it was something made canon at the time of the 5th Doctor (whilst stating the 6th wouldn't be and described the personality of what Colin Bakers version would have).

During the run of the 5th a bunch of execs were already souring on the series and did all they could to try and make it fail durin the run of the 6th but dispite that Sylvester McCoy and the creatives managed to work around budget reductions and all the rest to increase popularity but the execs STILL opted not to continue with the show after that so...

TLDR in the past it was at most comments never confirmations and a lot left unsaid leaving ample room for rampant nerd speculation and/or retcons.

@Radders - Oh I dont LIKE the addition of they are sterile suddenly without explanation (even if I get that why no young Timelords has been a question for decades) when throw away comments had occured in the past during new Who about kids and the change wasn't handled well in the finale.

Wrong time to drop a bomshell like that and if going there would be better for a standalone story about how they became sterile during some event say a hundred years ago. IOW prior to when the Doctor first stole the TARDIC and maybe that his granddaughter was the last one born, go back to a prior backstory where he ran away with her rather than solo from his home planet due to plans for her by the leaders of their race (never understood why they switched from that to JUST running away in the first place as weakened the Doctors backstory, escaping with his granddaughter felt a far better narrative).

Obviously there is nothing wrong with having a binary species that always takes a human like form but after stating otherwise in the 80's the Doctor could become female during a regeneration along with during Tom Bakers run Romana testing out multiple forms including an alien looking one when she regenerated it isn't that out there to go with even if I can get why many wouldn't like it.

As I stated elsewhere the issue of the finale's with RTD (inc first time around but moreso these two seasons) has been throwing in random additional questions rather than giving a clean satisfactory conclusion to a season and the who sterile bit a perfect example of why throw that in like that there.

@Skestra - Why? I don't think she has the kick for it, but maybe I haven't seen her in enough.

@TheVisionary25 - He really brought something new to the role and even salvaged some of the lackluster scripts. Season 02 was an incredible step up from the previous one, hence this hasty regeneration is a bummer. Would have loved to see him go up against the Daleks and Cybermen. I imagine the delay from Disney over the renewal and bigoted comments may have soured him over the role but I wish him the best and look forward to his new Shakespeare and Marlowe play.

@TheVisionary25 - i remember the promo photo with him sporting an afro and the blue suit and it got me excited for a period piece doctor who season set in the 60s/70s with a funk soul vibe. Did anything come of that? Cause i feel a season where music plays a big role in the vibe of the show would be cool. I also liked thr vibe of the first companion for ncuti but i guess she didnt last the full season?

@TheVisionary25 - a shame it was only for one episode. Would have loved a full season of 70s funk soul doctor who.

@CaptainFlapjaks - I liked her

The actress especially was quite good

@TheVisionary25 - Who was 'Piper' before?