ARROW Star Stephen Amell Defends Arrowverse From Detractors After It Successfully Created A Shared Universe

ARROW Star Stephen Amell Defends Arrowverse From Detractors After It Successfully Created A Shared Universe

The DCEU will soon be rebooted as a true shared world called the DCU, but Arrow star Stephen Amell has now made a case for why the Arrowverse deserves greater acclaim for getting there first. Check it out!

By JoshWilding - May 22, 2023 09:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Arrow
Source: Entertainment Weekly

While the Arrowverse's production values have never quite been up there with what we're used to seeing in theaters, it would be wrong to diminish the success that shared world found on television. 

Despite often being held back by Warner Bros.' big screen whims (hence why the likes of Batman and Wonder Woman have never paid a visit to Central City), The CW still delivered a lot of great storylines and crossovers. Heck, they even managed to beat the DCEU and The Flash to Crisis on Infinite Earths, an event which generated hugely positive reviews. 

During a recent interview with Entertainment Weekly to discuss the Arrowverse's conclusion when The Flash wraps up on Wednesday, Stephen Amell made a point of highlighting the franchise's achievements. 

"This was right after the first season [of Arrow]," the actor recalls. "Greg Berlanti called me into his office and said, 'Hey, we're going to be introducing Barry Allen. He's the Flash. We want to spend the next bit of time building the Justice League on TV.' And that's precisely what they did."

"I mean, I think DC gets a lot of sh*t for not building this interconnected [film] universe, but I just think people need to look at what they did on TV," Amell continues. "Crossovers had been done before, they'll be done again, but the scale to which we did it was unprecedented."

He's not wrong, and while Warner Bros. was struggling to get the DCEU off the ground with Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and Justice League, The CW was bringing together characters like Green Arrow, The Flash, and Supergirl. 

Now, a reboot beckons from DC Studios, with the hope being that the DCU can find the same level of success as the Marvel Cinematic Universe. 

The series finale of The Flash airs this Wednesday on The CW.

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santoanderson - 5/22/2023, 9:14 AM
The Arrowverse was exciting when they first introduced it… and then they cheaped-out. The shows got really low quality and repetitive.
DevilsDreams - 5/22/2023, 9:15 AM
@santoanderson - you mean the "I'm Barry Allen and I am the fastest man alive" whilst each season seemed to be another big bad speedster that was faster than him? 🤣
Arthorious - 5/22/2023, 10:32 AM
@DevilsDreams - or when a much slower villain would leave a room and Barry would chase after them, not find them and say “they got away”.

Brother! You’re the “fastest man alive” just race around the area for like 2 secs and boom you found the culprit.
bobevanz - 5/22/2023, 10:47 AM
@santoanderson - it's like watching a band perform in their 80's, just stop lol
DevilsDreams - 5/22/2023, 10:53 AM
@Arthorious - 🤣🤣

"how did he beat you Barry?"
"well he had a cold gun!"
"you could literally run in and disassemble it before he had a chance to pull the trigger!??? what the hell Barry"
Arthorious - 5/22/2023, 1:33 PM
@DevilsDreams - exactly!! If he can blitz around the city in under 5 secs dealing with a person and an gun shouldn’t be a problem
DevilsDreams - 5/22/2023, 9:15 AM
Let the writers and producers of the DC animated universe have a crack?
The DCAU has done pretty well for itself over the last few decades in spite of what the live action films have done.
Origame - 5/22/2023, 9:18 AM
@DevilsDreams - while that would've been great back in their hay day, we did get them making the decision to have a batgirl/batman romance. And all they did with batman and Harley Quinn.
Mrtoke - 5/22/2023, 2:32 PM
@DevilsDreams - hell no? Rather have young Justice writers work for the DCU
Origame - 5/22/2023, 9:16 AM
I mean, he has a point. It's been strong for 10 years now, had its own infinity war/endgame story, and if you count superman and lois (which let's face it was meant to be in the arrowverse), then it has a potential future.
DevilsDreams - 5/22/2023, 9:23 AM
@Origame - Just seems like the Warner execs seem to kill off anything with a chance of being good...
Origame - 5/22/2023, 9:51 AM
@DevilsDreams - I mean, if you're talking about current arrowverse, the only thing they haven't completely killed off is superman and lois. And that has shown the potential to be good.
FireandBlood - 5/22/2023, 9:16 AM
He’s not wrong. CW-ness aside, they did an infinitely better job building their universe than the film side. And in true WB/DC fashion, they threw it under the bus in the end for a show that’s cancellation is imminent due to, funnily enough, their next attempt at building a film universe.
kazuma - 5/22/2023, 9:24 AM
The CW doesn't follow basic Hollywood rules. IT's shit but still gets more seasons and more funding for new shit.
Reeds2Much - 5/22/2023, 9:24 AM

Going in a different direction with Legends was also a good choice.
MrDandy - 5/22/2023, 9:54 AM
@Reeds2Much - shockingly became the Arrowverse a most consistently entertaining show imo
grif - 5/22/2023, 9:27 AM
its over. you are not being paid anymore
Origame - 5/22/2023, 11:39 AM
@grif - God forbid he be positive about the franchise that gave him his big break.
Kurne - 5/22/2023, 9:40 AM
I still firmly believe that The Flash wouldn't have happened and Arrow wouldn't have strayed from its grounded/no powers commitment had it not been for the Hollywood panic after 2012 to scramble together their own shared universes (after The Avengers).

Because the CW/DC just ended up right back where they started with Smallville. They had all the same character restrictions that they had back during the Smallville days, which they were clearly trying to avoid by announcing Arrow would be its own standalone thing and not introduce any metahumans/powers. Didn't last long because again, everyone in Hollywood started scrambling for their own crossovers, team ups, etc.

This is why I initially wasn't excited back when The Flash was announced, because I knew whatever universe they were creating was going to be held back (again).
MrDandy - 5/22/2023, 9:53 AM
I think the Arrowverse has a lot to be proud of. Yes it was inconsistent in quality but it had some great seasons in a lot of their shows and (arguable) was more successful in creating a shared universe than its big screen counterpart. I have a lot of fond memories despite the many lows. Unfortunately it was held back by never really evolving with the times and was stuck in 2014, unable to keep up as more ambitious and expensive shows entered the competition.
mountainman - 5/22/2023, 10:03 AM
I never cared for any of the CW shows besides Arrow S1-2 and Flash S1. That being said, they did build a shared universe, they incorporated many iconic DC characters, and they adapted (loosely) several big DC stories. I feel like it was successful for what it was, even if it mostly wasn’t my cup of tea.
antirock - 5/22/2023, 10:05 AM
I really enjoyed the first few seasons of Arrow and The Flash. I think a mistake Marvel is making and DC is about to make is trying to tie their tv/streaming shows in with their movies. I don't think it works. It isn't working for Marvel and I don't think it's going to work for Gunn's DC either. The differing production schedules, combined with having difficulty getting your major stars on your streaming shows make it a real challenge.

Not to mention the fact that it's just way too much content for your average person to keep up with when they are trying to follow a shared universe. When major plot points are introduced on the streamers when most of the average film-going audience isn't watching.

For example, if you didn't watch Wandavision how on earth would you be able to follow Dr. Strange 2? Hell I watched Wandavision and I still couldn't follow it. Same with Ms. Marvel/The Marvels.
UniqNo - 5/22/2023, 10:07 AM
He's not wrong...

But man, some of the stuff doesn't hold up when you consider it's not that long ago. They really dropped the ball on Slade Wilson though after they built him up. Many was the best part of Arrow.

UniqNo - 5/22/2023, 10:07 AM
@UniqNo - Manu*
GhostDog - 5/22/2023, 10:15 AM
He's right but the unfortunate part is the quality of the content dipped dramatically as the interconnectedness grew.
cubichy - 5/22/2023, 11:16 AM
Arrow, when it started, had great story telling, it was believable, plus the violence, killings, it all worked and resonated well. Especially the island scenes and the way it all connected, we loved it. But as the universe grew, Flash, Supergirl, Black lighting, after the first couple of seasons it went downhill as others have stated. Especially the Flash, it never grew up. I did watch all the crossovers and the best right now is Superman, they did really good job, but i also heard they are cutting it too. that's too bad, cause Superman is really good, and it hast suffered fatigue yet, although I heard its expensive to produce, well, that's the price for success. Arrow verse did create a shared universe, it was the other shows that couldn't keep it going.
DocSpock - 5/22/2023, 1:13 PM

When parents have stupid ugly kids, they still protect them.

At least that's what Mom & Dad told me.

dagenspear - 5/22/2023, 3:23 PM
When it wasn't poorly written, it did.
Battabingg - 5/22/2023, 3:46 PM
He's not wrong. That little Arrow show kicked off a whole new era of superhero TV.
RitoRevolto - 5/22/2023, 4:02 PM
And it was still a hot mess in the end. What's his point?
Lokiwasright - 5/22/2023, 6:53 PM
Father of current gen superhero shows.

Way better and more fun than daredevil, iron fist, Jessica jNOes and Luke Cage.

Better than. All disnymcu shows except Loki.

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