Arrowverse Creator Explains Says DC TV Work Was A Waste Of His Time After Not Getting Call From DC Studios

Arrowverse Creator Explains Says DC TV Work Was A Waste Of His Time After Not Getting Call From DC Studios

Arrowverse creator Marc Guggenheim has taken aim at DC Studios for not reaching out to him after he spearheaded Crisis on Infinite Earths, saying his time working on that world was a waste, career-wise.

By JoshWilding - Mar 05, 2023 05:03 AM EST
Filed Under: Arrow

As an executive producer and writer on TV shows like Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow, Marc Guggenheim is frequently credited as the Arrowverse's creator. While that shared world's time is now winding down before The Flash's final season sends Grant Gustin's Scarlet Speedster running off into the sunset, Guggenheim leaves behind quite the legacy. 

After all, he was in charge of the Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover event, something he argues in a recent blog post as a project that "would mainstream the concept of an interconnected multiverse" years before Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness came along. 

Recalling that a friend told him he would be in high demand after the world saw that event, Guggenheim admits that nothing changed after it aired. 

Expressing gratitude to the fans, he added, "Hollywood met everything we did with apathy...James Gunn announced that he assembled a 'writers room' to help chart out what the new 'DC Universe' under his and James Safran’s leadership is going to be. Suffice it to say, I am not among that group."

"I would have liked to have gotten at least a meeting," Guggenheim adds. "Not a job, mind you. A meeting. A conversation. A small recognition of what I’d tried to contribute to the grand tapestry that is the DC Universe. I’d only spent nine years toiling in that vineyard, after all."

"Simply put, the Arrowverse hasn’t led to any other gigs, so it feels - at least on a career level - that I really wasted my time."

We'd strongly recommend reading the entire blog post as the writer goes into greater detail about the lack of respect he feels the Arrowverse has received.

While he, and the rest of the creatives working on that world, did a great job, they were all held back by TV budgets and, to put it bluntly, TV actors. There are a lot of great moments and performances to look back on, sure, but if Guggenheim - one of the writers on 2011's Green Lantern movie - viewed the Arrowverse as a fast-track to the big time in Hollywood, we can't help but think he was being a little naive.

After all, Legends of Tomorrow wasn't exactly high-concept television akin to Watchmen or even WandaVision!

What do you guys think? 

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SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 3/5/2023, 5:18 AM
While I understand he put his heart and soul into making the Arrow verse work. What these writers and directors fail to accept is that nothing is owed to them. Their time to shine comes and goes and eventually when that vision is no longer in sight, Studios will find new talent to execute the new vision. A lot of the times rehiring old talent brings in the same problems a company faced before. It sucks but that's business.
Conquistador
Conquistador - 3/5/2023, 5:44 AM
@SonOfAGif - All that is true, but I'm guessing that he's seeing from the POV that he did all the Rrow stuff starting since 2012, but Gunn, while yes is more know on the cinematic side, made a couple movies for Marvel got fired made 1 movie for DC and some TV episodes, but ends up getting the top job. So I can see why he may feel he's owed at least a meeting.

What works on TV though doesn't always work on the big screen which were DC's main priority would be, but the interconnectivity helps.

But he may still get that call.

UncleHarm1
UncleHarm1 - 3/5/2023, 9:12 AM
@SonOfAGif - His shows are the reason people say something bad looks like a CW show
HeraldNumber7
HeraldNumber7 - 3/5/2023, 12:38 PM
@SonOfAGif -

this may all be true but the studio showing some manner of honor & integrity (i know, it's WB) goes a long way to at least keep a relationship they intend to sever in good standing once they do. who knows if they will ever need him for future work. gotta operate off some principles, g
AtakanKaratas
AtakanKaratas - 3/5/2023, 5:18 AM
While the Arrowverse has its faults, they have successfully created a coherent universe. While WB couldn't even manage to create a proper franchise with their most popular characters, the Arrowverse did it with the lesser known characters in the same time span.

The shows had their good and bad moments but at least the creators managed to put out something creative and coherent with the least amounts of budgets. All the crossovers were great and early seasons of each show had things to celebrate.

I just hope that Gunn and Safran can manage to put out a franchise with coherence and good care.
Deklipz
Deklipz - 3/5/2023, 5:05 PM
@AtakanKaratas - I wouldn't call it coherent by any stretch. Everything after the first season of arrow was a dumpster fire.
OmegaBlack13
OmegaBlack13 - 3/5/2023, 5:19 AM
Saying that he mainstreamed the concept of a multiverse after Spider-Verse came out is a pretty wild take
Conquistador
Conquistador - 3/5/2023, 5:20 AM
Bro sounds bitter....
Conquistador
Conquistador - 3/5/2023, 5:39 AM
@UniqNo - I know it's suggesting we read the whole article. But he's being a bit salty going by that exert.

Mind you, he did contribute alot to that TV universe and did what he could with the characters he was allowed to use. BUT The guys (Gunn&Safran) have been in post, what 4/5 months? and at least have the makings of a plan, nothing has really come to fruition yet and there's alot more time for them to get all the pieces in place.

That call might still come.
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