DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN - Full Breakdown Of Creative Overhaul Changes Reveal Scrapped Plans For Karen And Foggy

DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN - Full Breakdown Of Creative Overhaul Changes Reveal Scrapped Plans For Karen And Foggy

We finally have a full breakdown of the changes made to Daredevil: Born Again during the show's creative overhaul and these are significant. Be warned, however, that major SPOILERS follow from this point!

By JoshWilding - Mar 12, 2025 03:03 PM EST
Filed Under: Daredevil

Daredevil: Born Again's "creative overhaul" has been a major talking point among fans since the news broke that Marvel Studios was going back to the drawing board in late 2023.

Since then, we've learned of at least some changes, whether it's through the very public reshoots which took place in New York last year or in recent interviews with the cast and creatives while they were promoting the show's Disney+ premiere. 

@MyTimeToShineH has shared an in-depth breakdown of all the changes made to Daredevil: Born Again and they're undeniably significant. However, as expected, those middle episodes mostly just received some tweaks, with the premiere and final two episodes going through the biggest alterations. 

"Episodes 1-6 were mostly kept intact but were shifted to become episodes 2-7 instead," the scooper explains, adding that all of Vanessa Fisk's scenes were reshot when Ayelet Zurer was asked to reprise her role and replaced Sandrine Holt. The script, however, remained unchanged.

The new pilot added more background, covering Matt Murdock's first meeting with Heather Glenn and Wilson Fisk's Mayoral run (original plans called for the series to begin with him already in office). 

Touching on yesterday's episode, it's revealed that, "White Tiger’s death scene was reshot to make it clear that he was killed by a dirty cop wearing the Punisher symbol. In the original version he was also killed by a dirty cop, but the symbol wasn’t visible on his clothes, and it only became clear in the following episode."

The biggest shocker relates to the roles of Foggy Nelson and Karen Page. The former was set to be killed off-screen by a dirty cop, not Bullseye. The new pilot extended and altered the lawyer's demise, bringing Bullseye back...a character who wasn't in the original version of Daredevil: Born Again

As it happens, neither was Karen. In fact, "They didn't even mention her in the original version, like she never existed." The scooper concludes by revealing, "They also made a new episode 8 and a new episode 9 (season finale), the season finale featuring the return of Karen, Punisher and Bullseye once again."

It's wild to think how different Daredevil: Born Again originally was and the biggest question now is what was planned for episodes 8 and 9. Was Muse meant to be the show's sole big bad outside of the Kingpin? It looks that way, especially when we know a major issue with the pre-overhaul series was that Matt didn't suit up for almost the entire first season. 

In Marvel Television's Daredevil: Born Again, Matt Murdock (Charlie Cox), a blind lawyer with heightened abilities is fighting for justice through his bustling law firm, while former mob boss Wilson Fisk (Vincent D'Onofrio) pursues his own political endeavors in New York. When their past identities begin to emerge, both men find themselves on an inevitable collision course.

"A masterpiece of epic proportions, Daredevil: Born Again delivers a powerful, unmissable take on the Man Without Fear," we said in our review"Putting street-level heroics on the map in a way that promises to change the MCU forever, the show is sublime superhero storytelling on a whole new level."

Daredevil: Born Again's first three episodes are now streaming on Disney+. 

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Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 3/12/2025, 3:14 PM
They scrapped my crapper....batalia umbruglia uncomplicated
Gambito
Gambito - 3/12/2025, 3:15 PM
Every time I click on a interesting article and see Mytimetoshine as a source i immediately lose any interest, ZERO credibility
movieguy18
movieguy18 - 3/12/2025, 4:51 PM
@Gambito - PREACH. I don’t understand why they keep posting this “scooper’s” bull****
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 3/12/2025, 3:18 PM
Glad they included Bullseye and Karen, I mean if you wanna change the status quo for Murdock that was on e hell of a way to about it.
0bstreperous
0bstreperous - 3/12/2025, 3:22 PM
Show is ass so far, not saying it can't pick up but what's the point. They Frankenstein'd this thing and I just heard the supporting cast is coming back I hate the new characters
The cop who's not a cop the girl with the bad wig the sexy woman who was easier to get with than I don't know...

Show is ass ass ass so far that is all
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 3/12/2025, 3:54 PM
@0bstreperous - Which of the supporting characters don't you like?
dagenspear
dagenspear - 3/12/2025, 4:43 PM
@0bstreperous - what's bad about the majority of those things.
narrow290
narrow290 - 3/12/2025, 5:01 PM
@dagenspear - nothing
McMurdo
McMurdo - 3/12/2025, 5:47 PM
@0bstreperous - the new side characters are such a snoozefest.
alleverybody
alleverybody - 3/12/2025, 5:49 PM
@0bstreperous - Agree. I keep waiting for it to get good like all the reviewers say. Right now it’s very disjointed.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 3/12/2025, 5:54 PM
@SonOfAGif - the lawyer and the other cop, aka the two who replaced Foggy and Karen, have had zero characterization thus far. I can't remember if the cop guy was in s3 or not but these two have brought absolutely nothing to the current story.
0bstreperous
0bstreperous - 3/12/2025, 6:42 PM
@alleverybody - Thank you! My thoughts exactly it doesn't compare to the Netflix series where every episode was integral
0bstreperous
0bstreperous - 3/12/2025, 6:44 PM
@McMurdo - man I forgot to mention BB the social media reporter (because that is a plausible thing)

Each supporting character worse than the last

I remember when they introduced Frank Electra and Bullseye they had us invested
0bstreperous
0bstreperous - 3/12/2025, 6:46 PM
@SonOfAGif - I hate every new character they make me want to turn off the TV and just sit in silence
0bstreperous
0bstreperous - 3/12/2025, 6:50 PM
@dagenspear - This is a Frankenstein thing where the actors were told to "forget about" the Netflix show according to D'onfrio

What's wrong is that the characters suck, give it time that will be the takeaway of this show

McMurdo
McMurdo - 3/12/2025, 6:52 PM
@0bstreperous - every time the BB news reports get spammed 3 times an episode I fast forward.
0bstreperous
0bstreperous - 3/12/2025, 6:53 PM
@McMurdo - if they released all 9 episodes I'd skip entire episodes
McMurdo
McMurdo - 3/12/2025, 7:10 PM
@0bstreperous - I'd skip to the final 2 for sure
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 3/12/2025, 3:23 PM
disney just made Wilson Fisk into the Cuckpin.
TheLobster
TheLobster - 3/12/2025, 3:33 PM
@harryba11zack - yeahhhhhh between him being a less imposing figure physically and his new attitude on things - he’s so much less threatening.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 3/12/2025, 3:57 PM
@TheLobster - Much less threatening? He's a politician that's blackmailing and threatening people to do his bidding without getting his hands dirty. He made the Chief of Police stay on by threatening to kill his family. He spoke about his disgust for White Tiger's innocent verdict and got him assassinated by a dirty cop. Fisk is in a more dangerous position because he can get his believers to do all of his dirty work and never face consequences for it.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 3/12/2025, 4:41 PM
@harryba11zack - God is funny. I said someone would say this. Making something out of nothing. Kingpin's a bad guy and gets bad things in return for his bad things.

Imagine thinking that's a problem for the man who was a whiny baby and threw a hissy fit because he's embarrassed in front of a woman he likes and crushes a guy's head who wanted to work with him in connection to that.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 3/12/2025, 5:55 PM
@SonOfAGif - this dynamic coulda been really compelling under a writer like Tony or Dan Gilroy.
ToldYaSo
ToldYaSo - 3/12/2025, 6:14 PM
@harryba11zack - Spot on!
Pictilli
Pictilli - 3/12/2025, 3:25 PM
Why did they get rid of Karen & Foggy and replace them with DEI characters?
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 3/12/2025, 3:31 PM
@Pictilli - son what did you expect? DD is now a modern disney product.
TheLobster
TheLobster - 3/12/2025, 3:37 PM
@Pictilli - Cherry is a pretty great character already but yeah he’s DEI because he’s black right?
MisterBones
MisterBones - 3/12/2025, 3:43 PM
@TheLobster -

When they say “DEI”

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DTor91
DTor91 - 3/12/2025, 3:44 PM
@Pictilli - [frick]ing idiot.
Pictilli
Pictilli - 3/12/2025, 3:50 PM
@TheLobster - Foggy's replacement:

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Karen's replacement:

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Kingpin is a cuck and Trump and all the bad guys are straight white guys

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This show was obviously in production before the media started slightly rolling woke back after Oct 7th since they decided they want white guys dying in wars in the middle east again like the Bush era...

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They even brought back skinny hot chicks posing with angus burgers at Carl's Jr/Hardee's again, just like the "good ol' days" when George W. Bush was President.

If the show were made in the current year, they may not have made some of the choices that they did, IMO. But hollywood productions always lag a few years behind.
Pictilli
Pictilli - 3/12/2025, 3:51 PM
@DTor91 - show me the lie
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 3/12/2025, 3:58 PM
@Pictilli - So your issue is that Foggy and Karen were replaced with characters that have a different skin color. And you're upset that all the bad guys are white guys when the Netflix series had a Japanese villain which you would consider DEI and everyone else was a white villain.
Matchesz
Matchesz - 3/12/2025, 4:06 PM
@Pictilli - you’re like Bullseye with the facts 🎯

Although I dont mind Foggy and Karens replacements. Karen’s actually the only character in the comic who died yet they found a way to kill every main side player character around her anyway, since white women are included DEI. Ben Urich should still be alive if it wasnt for her but she had to throw that alley oop for her strong women, now all im waiting for his daughter to come out as bi in the show lol
Pictilli
Pictilli - 3/12/2025, 4:14 PM
@SonOfAGif - What other reason was there for writing Karen & Foggy out of the show? Was there some audience demand to replace them?

No.

The showrunners just decided that Matt Murdock needed more nonwhite friends in his social circle, but knew there wouldn't be enough screentime to balance them against DD's popular supporting cast, who are white. So they were given the axe.
Pictilli
Pictilli - 3/12/2025, 4:21 PM
@Matchesz - The race replacement of Ben Urich was a DEI casualty in the original Netflix show, but they replaced him with an even more woke sassy bisexual black woman tiktoker... who even the Kingpin wants to do interviews with, apparently... probably because he's "like Trump" and is using social media to his advantage. Such brilliant writing amirite?

To the extent straight white women are in DEI at all, they are at the very bottom of the hirearchy, but I don't even see them included in it much these days. Still, there is no reason why Bullseye didn't also kill Karen. He killed the two guys flanking her and Foggy easily.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 3/12/2025, 4:23 PM
@Pictilli - If you actually followed the Daredevil Born Again production you would have known that Foggy and Karen were never apart of it because it was a Multiverse reboot. Bob Chapek wanted nothing to do with any of the Netflix shows and wanted to reboot Daredevil. When he was fired and Bob Iger came in, he gave Kevin Feige complete creative control again. Kevin came in and wanted the Netflix shows to be canon but Born Again was already in production with the new characters. Episode 1 is basically Kevin Feige's creative control over it and to not waste money, They kept Foggy's death.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 3/12/2025, 4:24 PM
@Pictilli - I think making something out of nothing.
Pictilli
Pictilli - 3/12/2025, 4:25 PM
@SonOfAGif - yep again those were all creative decisions; they kept the actors for Matt Murdock & Kingpin, so why not keep Foggy & Karen?

Answer is for the reasons I gave.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 3/12/2025, 4:26 PM
@DTor91 -
@Pictilli -

LORD willing, insulting isn't right. Love and worship God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Jesus is Lord!
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 3/12/2025, 4:30 PM
@Pictilli - They did keep Karen. Unfortunately most of the episodes were already filmed. So they did what they could to reshoot what they could to include her and Foggy. Unfortunately it comes down to money. Had Bob Chapek not intervened and allowed the Netflix shows to be canon it would have included Foggy and Karen long term. I fully expect Karen to return in season 2 which is entirely under Bob Iger and Kevin Feige and not Chapek.
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