DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN Star Vincent D'Onofrio Talks SPIDER-MAN 4 Rumors And Possible AVENGERS: SECRET WARS Role

DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN Star Vincent D'Onofrio Talks SPIDER-MAN 4 Rumors And Possible AVENGERS: SECRET WARS Role

Daredevil: Born Again star Vincent D'Onofrio has addressed rumours he could return as The Kingpin in Spider-Man 4 and also weighed in on Wilson Fisk potentially making his presence felt in Secret Wars.

By JoshWilding - Jan 22, 2024 07:01 AM EST
Filed Under: Daredevil
Source: ComicBook.com

After The Kingpin made his MCU debut/return in Hawkeye, Echo revealed that Vincent D'Onofrio's Wilson Fisk had survived being gunned down by Maya Lopez. 

The villain failed to bring her in line and later returned to New York City with his sights set on becoming New York City's Mayor. His story will continue in Daredevil: Born Again and, beyond the upcoming Disney+ series, rumours continue to persist that the Kingpin of Crime will clash with Spider-Man in the web-slinger's next movie. 

Peter Parker teaming up with the Man Without Fear (and Ant-Man if recent rumours are to be believed) to battle Fisk in Spider-Man 4 sounds almost too good to be true. It would, however, make for one heckuva movie. 

Talking to ComicBook.com, D'Onofrio addressed the rumours head-on but chose his words carefully. 

"I think if the powers that be want that to happen then it will happen, you know? I think there certainly hasn't been any kind of talk that it's not gonna happen," the actor revealed. "I mean, to me that's the direction that we should go in...but who knows? You know, you get these calls and they're like, 'Oh we're doing this now.' I'm like, 'Oh, okay.' You know, it's like that."

It does seem like the logical next step for The Kingpin and based on how D'Onofrio is talking here, there's no indication his character's story will reach a definitive conclusion in Daredevil follow-up, Daredevil: Born Again

As for whether we might see Fisk show up in the next Avengers movies, he added: "I don't see why he has to just be in one situation. Part of the storytelling in Echo is that his reach has gotten further. He's gone from just controlling Hell's Kitchen and certain stuff coming in from the ports of Manhattan, and the veins of his business are running wider across the country and I think eventually across the world."

"So I think he is sort of in every place. I think that that's the way I see it. I see it as Vanessa and him being quite powerful," D'Onofrio continued. "And so I think I really do mean everywhere. I love the fact that [Marvel Studios executive Brad Winderbaum compared Kingpin to Thanos], by the way, because I didn't know that he said that until you told me and that means that there's lots of jobs to come. That's a good thing."

In Jonathan Hickman and Esad Ribic's Secret Wars comic book, The Kingpin assembled his fellow villains to watch the destruction of the Marvel Universe in the Bar With No Name. After all, how better to watch all those pesky superheroes meet their end?  

Neither Daredevil: Born Again nor Spider-Man 4 have confirmed release dates.

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marvel72
marvel72 - 1/22/2024, 7:43 AM
Possible Secret Wars, you don't stand a chance against proper heroes.
J0HNS0N
J0HNS0N - 1/22/2024, 7:47 AM
@marvel72 - In a fistfight, yes.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 1/22/2024, 8:08 AM
@J0HNS0N - Echo says otherwise lol
marvel72
marvel72 - 1/22/2024, 12:51 PM
@J0HNS0N - If he loses to Echo and Kate Bishop.

He doesn't stand a chance against Daredevil, Spider-Man or Captain America.
J0HNS0N
J0HNS0N - 1/30/2024, 7:11 PM
@bobevanz - I was saying he doesn't stand a good chance in a fistfight. I was trying to imply there are other ways he could be a threat.
HammerLegFoot
HammerLegFoot - 1/22/2024, 7:46 AM
Man if they do the bar with no name scene I'd love it. Just a low-key scene with not much talking. Just silence and some cheering. Smoke in the air, glasses clinking. It could be such a beautiful scene
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/22/2024, 12:10 PM
@HammerLegFoot - Especially if they The Punisher step in a shoot them all dead, like he did in the comic.

This should def be a scene in Avengers 5.
Repian
Repian - 1/22/2024, 7:57 AM
I could see Kingpin wearing something similar to a power suit.

slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 1/22/2024, 8:21 AM
@Repian - the Punisher drawn by Rob Leifield?
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 1/22/2024, 8:20 AM
Don’t by into the rumors, I mean “news”, Kingpin will be the big bad of the Daredevil series but I doubt they even plan on using him in Spider-Man. If they do he’ll probably be a minor cameo or in name only.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 1/22/2024, 11:51 AM
@slickrickdesigns - Why? I mean for films makes sense that a Sony owned NYC based superhero will at some point face Kingpin as Sony holds most the rights for him too so becomes tricky to use outside of DD and Echo stories. Wouldn't be the ONLY villain, would be others working for Fisk too but within the MCU makes a ton of sense to go with for his first post high school and sans Stark Tech adversary.

Yeh, rumors can oft be total BS but that specific one is more believable than most when you list those they are unlikely to use.

A typical ranked order of top Spiderman villains

1. Green Goblin, had a multiverse one already as well as used in both prior incarnations.
2. Doc Oc, again already faced him
3. Venom is still currently in another universe, possible they could use a symbiote storyline but unlikely to face Venom fully till he crosses over to SPUMC
4. Kingpin will have been fully established and no live action Peter Parker has faced him yet
5. Mysterio already faced
6. Carnage Sony have recently used already over at SPUMC
7. Lizard, already faced
8. Vulture already faced
9. Sandman already faced
10. Electro already faced
11. Morbius Sony recently used over at SPUMC
12. Kraven over at SPUMC
13. Scorpion ready to be used after Homecoming, would fit in working for Kingpin the sort of version they went with.
14. Rhino they are using a version of him with Kraven
15. Chameleon, sort of used/wasted in Far from home, will be in the D+ Spiderman animation so doubtful esp considering the Kraven connection
16. Jackal is typicaly associated with Gwen Stacy, post her death, so unlikely
17. Hobgoblin, could go there is they bring back Ned tied to the encounter with Green Goblin, other than that unlikely
18. Shocker, already faced and could return working for Kingpin fairly easily but wasn't setup as a main villain type in Homecoming
19. Tombstone, as a NYC crime boss would likely work under Kingpin
20. Black Cat, a strong possibility to appear but probably notas the main or only antagonist however Sony were still bouncing around doing a film with her outside of the MCU

I could keep going but of the rest of what I'd call his top 50 villains and take into account who Sony are/considering using in their own otherverse films (inc Spiderverse) all the rest feel like underlings to a big bad like Kingpin or not ones I think would make sense within the MCU for the stage Peter is at other than maybe Mr Negative who again as he started out as a Gangster type would likely connect to Kingpin if used.
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 1/22/2024, 12:22 PM
@Apophis71 - I read the first part of your eassay long reply. But if Sony owned any rights to KP you’d think they would’ve used him or put him in concepts already. But they don’t.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 1/22/2024, 1:38 PM
@slickrickdesigns - They did, was the main villain of the first Spiderverse film, Disney only has very limited rights as in Sony can't block them or demand a fee of any kind with DD related stories at all inc Echo related ones. Outside of that gets more complicated as Sony owns majority of the rights to him.
SheepishOne
SheepishOne - 1/22/2024, 9:55 AM
I would love for a competent writer to figure out a good way for this version of Fisk to go toe-to-toe with the MCU Spidey.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/22/2024, 12:18 PM
@SheepishOne - There was this writer called Stan Lee once who figured it out.

I would definitely draw from that original Kingpin story. The Frederick Foswell arc alone is so good.
And some of the later stories too. The '80s Name of the Rose story-arc is a classic story arc they can pull from.
SheepishOne
SheepishOne - 1/22/2024, 2:05 PM
@ObserverIO - Well of course lol. I just mean someone who can write THIS Kingpin vs THIS Spider-Man, and keep it believable and tense. We know Spider-Man is significantly stronger than this version of Kingpin. So what does this Kingpin do to beat/incapacitate him?
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/22/2024, 2:20 PM
@SheepishOne - I guess he would be more pulling the strings than direct combat then. Unless they somehow upgrade him. I mean, in the comics he always seemed inhumanly strong and has fought Spider-Man one on one often. Surely Kingpin is more than just a man. Maybe a mutant? Because I don't care how big he is, you're right, he ain't no match for a dude with the proportional strength and agility of a spider. Kingpin is like a fat housefly to Spider-Man, in terms of strength.
SheepishOne
SheepishOne - 1/22/2024, 4:31 PM
@ObserverIO - It would be interesting if Kingpin gets a hold of some super serum from Madripoor or something at the end of Daredevil: Born Again, and the opening scene of Spider-Man 4 is Daredevil getting the crap kicked out of him by a super Kingpin. So Matt seeks out Spider-Man's help. And the B plot is Kingpin running for mayor of NYC.
Nolanite
Nolanite - 1/22/2024, 10:13 AM
I sense plenty of grammar issues in this article.
Also, the writer forgot to mention just how shitty the Emm She Ewe really is.
Nolanite out
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/22/2024, 12:20 PM
I love reading interviews with this guy.

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