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dagenspear - 11/22/2023, 1:48 PM
But why does he need to take over the loom's responsibility? Why does he need to become the loom? The branching timelines exist regardless of that. The loom isn't needed for that.
SonOfAGif - 11/22/2023, 1:59 PM
@dagenspear - The Loom was designed to contain and secure the Sacred Timeline. Loki becoming the loom allows the Multiverse to exist and not isolate one universe into a sacred timeline. He essentially broke the Loom and sits in the center of time watching every universe and whatever timeline branches
Apophis71 - 11/22/2023, 2:31 PM
@dagenspear - Except that was not what the loom did, no matter how big you make on it would never coped with an exponential growth in the number of branches. Some would always die and/or need pruned thus free will would never truly exist and billions of lives would continue to be lost constantly to ensure the peace etc...

...HWR soluton had been to prevent the multiverse and/or timelines interacting to prevent the war of the Kangs...

...Loki's ultimate solution was to provide stability to all branches and timelines giving back free will. It meant the war was coming as a result that HWR had been preventing but gave the TVA and all people on all timelines the time to prepare and to find their own path and the hope they could prevail in the fights to come.
Fogs - 11/22/2023, 2:33 PM
@SonOfAGif - yeap. And as I understand now the TVA exists mainly to monitor Kang variants to avoid the multiversal war. Not by pruning branches, but possibly by going after them.
SauronthePower - 11/22/2023, 2:53 PM
@Apophis71 - EXACTLY

Which is why you saw the numerous flashing purple explosions on Loki’s time tree as they were the innumerable Kang variants re-emerging as a consequence of HWR’s death
dagenspear - 11/22/2023, 5:16 PM
@SonOfAGif - He only has to destroy the loom to do that. He doesn't have to become it.
dagenspear - 11/22/2023, 5:18 PM
@Apophis71 - That has nothing to do with what I said. Destroying the loom has nothing to do with becoming the loom.
Apophis71 - 11/22/2023, 5:33 PM
@dagenspear - The branches, a lot of them at least, were dying with or without the loom it seemed from the way they showed the strands. However more the point without Loki taking over as replacing the loom all that would occur is HWR reincarnates and rebuilds the thing.
dagenspear - 11/22/2023, 5:36 PM
@Apophis71 - See, this is the type of thing I think the show should've been about. You say it seemed. I didn't see that or remember that. I think these things aren't really developed or explored. This is the story you tell. Not some filler feeling story, to me, where characters stand around trying to figure out how to fix a loom.
Apophis71 - 11/22/2023, 5:48 PM
@dagenspear - Get too far into the weeds you loose everyone along the way ultimately, need to find the ballance point where just enough explained but not way to like a masters degree lecture on quantum physics. However they did make clear HWR would keep reincarnating and the loom didn''t fix anything ultimately and more a safety valve the destruction of which reset everything with HWR back behind the curtain I thought.
dagenspear - 11/22/2023, 7:38 PM
@Apophis71 - But you sacrifice, to me, a compelling story, for a filler-y one.

The loom doesn't matter. Destroy the loom, no debate from me on that one. But why Loki does anything else is left at the bottom of the barrel, to me, when I think it'd work stronger as the focus of the story.
Apophis71 - 11/22/2023, 7:50 PM
@dagenspear - I get that, think they wanted to ensure on the way to a sacrifice a strong enough reason why Loki of all characters would do that especialy to give free will which is the exact opposite of the first Avengers film. If it didn't land and work for you however that is completely fair enough and totaly understand the point of view.
JonC - 11/22/2023, 8:11 PM
@dagenspear - the loom prunes errant branches. if he preserves the loom then innocents like Sylvie's new life disappear along with many others. He is choosing a different path where all can 'grow together' instead of the needless pruning of innocents.
dagenspear - 11/22/2023, 8:29 PM
@JonC - Destroying the loom isn't my criticism.
SethBullock - 11/22/2023, 2:01 PM
Still not sure how he went from just having the power to travel back and forth in time to become some kind of omnipotent God that could use his magic to save all the timelines in the multiverse.

He Who Remains gave him the time-slipping abilities iirc, and he used those abilities to learn as much as possible about how all the time and multiverse sh*t worked, but how tf did he get so powerful to catch the timelines/universes with his own hands and to keep them alive with his magic somehow, idk, I guess I'll have to rewatch the last couple of episodes some day and see if that's explained and I just missed it, forgot it or just didn't understand it, lol.
MotherGooseUPus - 11/22/2023, 2:20 PM
@SethBullock - it was never explained, so you didnt miss anything in that regard
Fogs - 11/22/2023, 2:35 PM
@SethBullock - I understood when Sylvie ised her magic + Kang's tempad it gave him this ability. All planed by HWR.
PatchesOhulihan - 11/22/2023, 2:39 PM
@SethBullock - Yeah I was a bit confused myself on how his power up happened. I'm not the best a making connections, and though and just chalked it up to me not being very observant. I didn't even know HWR gave him the Time Slipping abilities, I just thought he helped Loki control them? IDK I'll have to rewatch, its been a while.
Apophis71 - 11/22/2023, 2:44 PM
@SethBullock - Yeh never explained as would likely be near impossible to do so however to spitball a theory...

...what ever happend that started him time slipping the cure was to remove him from all points of the timeline and presumably branches to stabilise him into one stable being/time. It could be thus theorised that meant he was multiple beings from multiple timelines in one thus connected to multiple branches and multiplying his powers (and the more branches the more powerful he would thus theoreticaly become). He just had to work out how to control them much like the control the arrow with the heart not the mind thing of GotG.

Add to that centuries of going over and over through a temporal loop off camera trying to learn all there is to learn after multiple loops trying to find a fix using Timely's device faster, and enough there to not have to worry about it not being fully explained tbh.
Doomsday8888 - 11/22/2023, 2:04 PM
As cool and interesting as this show sounds, you kinda have to switch your brain off and accept and allow things to happen without thinking too much.

It's always interesting to explore things like the concept of free will in a deterministic universe, you can have simple ass things such as this show or...well, no need to mention Watchmen, right?

The ending sure LOOKED cool, we'll see what kinda meaning it gains from here on out.
Apophis71 - 11/22/2023, 3:58 PM
@Doomsday8888 - Yeh, think too much on it will scramble your brains when you realise the entire TVA is a cyclical temproral paradox. Timely comes up with theories about time he doesn't have the tech to create given to OB by HWR to make the tech and expend the theories to give the ideas to Timely to give him a headstart and advance the ideas further round and round in an endless loop. Hence why all the rules of time work differently due to being outside of the linear timelines caught in an endless groundhog day.

it's like the how did Loki go from full villain to good guy instantly, he didn't is was just speeded up. At first resists, resistance is futile. Realises the TVA is extremely powerful so plays along for the long game to get to the seat of power etc Sylvie was just there to help switch his persective and what he wanted so when he got to the guy behind the curtain he didn't want the throne anymore in season one etc...
JFerguson - 11/22/2023, 4:39 PM
@Doomsday8888 - how can I switch my brain off when the show is primarily dialogue and basically forces you to listen to science fiction vocabulary mumbo jumbo.

I loved the visuals in episode 5 this season in the record shop, but otherwise I was forced to endure exposition that I still came out with not understanding
Doomsday8888 - 11/22/2023, 5:00 PM
@JFerguson
lel, i feel you.

The mumbo jumbo is worthless tho, just smile and nod when they tell you that Loki controls everything while ALSO giving free will "a chance".
Apophis71 - 11/22/2023, 5:43 PM
@JFerguson - When you realise the entire two seasons is for Loki to arrive where he needs to be you don't need to understand any of the jargon..

...the whole thing is best explained as an endless loop where HWR always wins the war and builds the loom and TVA till Loki arrives at a point where he finds his true purpose and the powers needed to find another way.

All the dialogue is more about Loki building the relationships to move him from wanting to conquer all to giving those he has grown to care more about than his own petty ambitions and hangups to give them a chance to help win the coming war.

The mumbo jumbo, don't worry about, just there for the super nerds who would rip it all apart without as much as anything else and a means to an end :D
JFerguson - 11/22/2023, 6:31 PM
@Apophis71 - True. I honestly like where Loki ended up, but to call this show a piece of entertainment just for that reason alone shocks me to my core. Super nerds can love this show all they want, but to constantly praise the mediocre story is crazy.

I'm sure no one would have bat an eye if a Loki variant just happened to be the keeper of the multiverse in the next Avengers movie. Heck, they introduced multiple Dr Strange and Wanda variants in MOM without much backstory, but to try to sell this show as a meaningful narrative on having free will does not sit right with me. This show is vehemently not for me. And I'd like that to be okay.
Apophis71 - 11/22/2023, 6:45 PM
@JFerguson - The option to not watch shows exists, didn't need to watch AoS to know how they knew the location of a sceptre or where the retrofitted helicarrier came from but for me loved the show, and AoS for that matter even when I recognise flaws, but totaly get why others wouldn't but that is OK as we don't have to like all the same things :D

I was watching Dr Who from before I can even remember clearly so this sort of series was something I can get onboard with more readily than many others may.
Apophis71 - 11/22/2023, 6:56 PM
@JFerguson - The other option is to do a Banner and go from rage monster to fully in control offscreen then go frome refusing to come out to smart Hulk offscreen and have a baby offscreen...

...if that sort of thing your OK with and just have an OP Loki variant pop up out of nowhere for you is cool fair enough I guess, sure it will be for all who don't have D+ and just watch the films, different strokes and all that jazz :D
DocSpock - 11/22/2023, 2:18 PM

Loki season 2 ended perfectly.

One of the very few D+ shows they got right.

MotherGooseUPus - 11/22/2023, 2:21 PM
@DocSpock - you mean 1 of 3 shows.... Loki S1, S2 and Wandavision. Moonknight was ok, hawkeye i liked more than others but know its flaws. the rest are forgettable, although Werewolf by Night was awesome
DocSpock - 11/22/2023, 2:24 PM
@MotherGooseUPus -

I liked Hawkeye & Werewolf both a lot. I did not like Moonknight. I thought most of the others were forgettable crap.
Fogs - 11/22/2023, 2:36 PM
@MotherGooseUPus - WV was great. The ending sucked though.
OrgasmicPotatoe - 11/22/2023, 7:09 PM
@DocSpock - To me, Loki is the only D+ show that worked from begining to end. S1 finale was great, S2 finale was even better.

All the other shows dropped the ball one way or another. Though I did like both Special Presentations.
DocSpock - 11/22/2023, 7:43 PM
@OrgasmicPotatoe -

I hear ya. They just did too much companion content of little importance to the bigger MCU.

They ruined 2 great characters for me. They turned Savage She-Hulk into a comedic (bad) joke. They were all 90% mental illness agenda on Moon Knight and made his show crappy.

I liked the special presentations too, but I hope they are not just one & done in the currently muddled MCU.
Apophis71 - 11/22/2023, 8:07 PM
@DocSpock - Quantity over a short perior has ultimately been the biggest problem, having shows to show other corners of the shared universe that don't instantly connect is fine but...

...to varying degrees enjoyed all the shows, some like FatWS more just aspects and moments of them than the overall story. Setting out implying they would all instantly lead into a movie and/or other shows was a mistake and rushing out so much reduced quality control at a time that was already undermine due to COVID measure (less in person in the offices meetings etc, more remote work and overstreched FX dept). If we went in thinking a bunch of them were more standalone then eventualy down the road turn up in other stuff think they may have been better recieved.

MoonKnight mostly delving into his MPD so much was fine by me but should have showed his last fight in ful, or at least glimpse the brutality of it reflected in Scarlet Scarabs blade wings as she looked on in horror.
DocSpock - 11/22/2023, 9:21 PM
@Apophis71 -

I agree with most of that.

FalCap & WS disappointed me too with all its whiny mushy angsty stuff.
HashTagSwagg - 11/22/2023, 2:26 PM
Doom wore it better
bkmeijer1 - 11/22/2023, 2:35 PM
''with one popular theory suggesting he'll take the place of Molecule Man in Avengers: Secret Wars''

@DrReedRichards I see you. I'm definitely on board with that. Loki powers Battleworld, and Wanda becomes the bomb Doom uses to destroy the Beyonder(s).

Anyway, I'll check out the Assembled episode soon. One of the few that actually seems interesting to watch. Only the Doctor Strange and Werewolf ones were worth watching imo.
DrReedRichards - 11/22/2023, 2:51 PM
@bkmeijer1 -

Where's our good archivist @TheBlueMorpho to quote me when I'm proven right? 😎👍

As for the Assembled episodes, I highly recommend you watch the ones for Eternals, Moon Knight, and WandaVision.
bkmeijer1 - 11/22/2023, 5:04 PM
@DrReedRichards - I think I watched those as well. Just skipped a lot of recent ones. The Shang-Chi had some interesting insights as well, especially from Ben Kingsley
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