LOKI Spoilers: How Season 2 Further Establishes the Mechanics of the Multiverse

LOKI Spoilers: How Season 2 Further Establishes the Mechanics of the Multiverse

Marvel Studios has introduced the multiverse in multiple projects now, having added rules upon rules. Read on and find out what those appear to be now.

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By bkmeijer1 - Nov 15, 2023 07:11 PM EST
Filed Under: Loki

This month, Loki has wrapped up with a finale seeing Loki becoming the new He Who Remains. During the second season, the show has expanded on the multiverse, a concept already established in Avengers: Endgame, Loki season 1, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. However, the multiverse comes with a lot of rules and mechanics, and even a bit of mythology. The MCU thus plays more soft with it's rules and becomes more science-fantasy (1).

In Avengers: Endgame, Bruce Banner establishes one fundamental rule for timetravel: everything that has happened is the past, and that past can't be changed. Even if the traveler is from the future, that future then becomes their past. Thus, if one is to jump (or slip) to another place on the timeline, a branch is created which continues to exist next to the original timeline. So, no timeloops. Even the Sacred Timeline itself could be a branch, as it is influenced to prevent another Multiversal War (including contingencies like Victor Timely in 1893) by He Who Remains, a timetraveler from the 31st century. 
 

The Many Worlds

Branches can also be created through superpositions. A famous example of this is Schrodinger's Cat. In short, the box the cat is in is a quantum system (a closed system) and the superposition is the cat being in two states: alive and death. Upon opening the box, an observation is made and the system collapses into one state. In the Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum mechanics, the universe makes a metaphysical split: one where the cat is alive, the other dead. Or in case of Quantumania's probability storm, they happen concurrently as time and space are irrelevant in the Quantum Realm.

An example of quantum system collapse leading to branches, are variants like Sylvie and Loki. In this quantum system, the two states are the Jotun being born female or male. In the Sacred Timeline the Jotun becomes the male Loki, but in another the female Sylvie (which kind of makes them siblings, as they share the same parents). And that is allowed up to a point by HWR's vision for the Sacret Timeline. Only when a Nexus Event is reached, that universe gets pruned. For Sylvie that was playing with toy dragons. Or maybe even a choice, as consciousness can also be seen as a quantum system (do I go left, or right?).
 

Realities: timelines, universes & dimensions

Aside from branching timelines -that get created as a result of timetravel or quantum systems collapsing into different states- there are also parallel universes. These are not branches of the Sacred Timeline, but instead follow seperate timelines. However, they do operate on the same rules of physics, like gravity, entropy and thermodynamics. Thus it's a seperate reality, but not with seperate rules. Examples of such universes are the Raimi & Webb Spider-Man movies or the 838 universe seen in Multiverse of Madness.

A consequence of universes interfering leads to incursions. There is no explanation as of yet why that is, but it could be that for the law of preservation of energy is broken, resulting in all out destruction. Dimensions, such as the TVA, the Quantum Realm, or Ta-Lo, don't appear to suffer from this, but that could be because they are outside of spacetime (the three dimensions of space and the one of time that make up the universe) and follow different rules of physics. These places do share similarities though, as both Ant-Man and Victor Timely spaghettify in identical ways in the Quantum Realm and the TVA.
 

Science/fiction

However, not everything has to be explained through science. Loki shows that mythology is still of large influence. In the finale, Loki becomes a deity weaving threads of unrefined time together into Yggdrasil. This resembles the Norns' task in Norse mythology. They are described as three Jotuns responsible for shaping the course of destinies and nourishing the World Tree. In the MCU though, there is now only one Jotun responsible for the flow of time and keeping the tree and it's branches alive: Loki, God of Stories.

In conclusion, more alternate timelines (branches), parallel timelines and dimensions means different rules. Especially if they operate outside of spacetime, like the TVA or the End of Time. Time loops appear to be the norm due to a lack conventional time, yet there is still an irreversible order of events happening. All TVA branches may have spaghettified and thus tied up any loose ends, there might still be a HWR in a branch, as the last one the timeslipping Loki talked to didn't die on-screen. And timeslipping is just another form of timetravel, regardless of Loki going somewhere new or taking his own place.

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Fogs
Fogs - 11/15/2023, 6:02 AM
Hey @bkmeijer1, that's a great article, and I loved your conclusion about Loki as the God of Stories. Congrats!

Just my 2c:
- You kinda mention parallel universes not being branches of the Sacred Timeline, but I don't think that's necessarily like that. There could be deep and very old branches in the sacred timeline, perhaps which led the civilization to flourish differently, and which similar but yet very different universes to happen, for example with totally different people existing (or with different appearances, for example). And even more profound ones, like in that universe formation the type of matter organized itself differently, generating those weird universes we got a glimpse of in MoM (that liquid universe comes to mind).

- As we were talking in another thread, I firmly believed the TVA and the Void would be outside the branching timeline logic cause, well, you can basically and literally see the timelines from a distance. But I admit Mobious spaghetification in the last episode (in the interrogation room) is unexplained to me. So either the writers let that one slip or indeed the TVA belongs to a timeline like every other reality.

@NateBest, this is the kind of article that's so precious and should be more present in the website. I'm thinking about also writing some essays like this myself, which are different than hard news or lists and would make a difference on the website. IMHO this one deserves a revision and be put on main.

Cheers!
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/15/2023, 6:44 AM
@Fogs - thanks, I really wanted to include the Loki as a Norn as I saw no one else point that out while it's a really apt description of what he is now.

And parallel timelines could indeed have branched off in the far past of the Sacred Timeline. Even as far back as to shortly after the Big Bang itself, which could explain those profoundly different rules of physics applying there.

And I saw someone else mention the TVA operates on a space branch instead of a time branch. That could work too, but that doesn't explain spagettificaiton either.
NateBest
NateBest - 11/15/2023, 7:32 PM
@Fogs - I agree! Thanks for tagging me so that I could look at it and move it to the homepage :)

@bkmeijer1 - Quick heads up that I made some minor changes by turning your topics into H2s and I removed the black background of the text. It's best to *not* play with the colors and styles as it can wreak havoc on the dark background viewers (like myself)!
Fogs
Fogs - 11/15/2023, 7:37 PM
@NateBest - Cheers!
bobevanz
bobevanz - 11/15/2023, 7:46 PM
@bkmeijer1 - bravo! What a perfect write up. We need more like this, and less from others lol you rule
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/16/2023, 2:26 AM
@NateBest @bobevanz - thanks, appreciate it
AllsGood
AllsGood - 11/15/2023, 7:45 PM
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bobevanz
bobevanz - 11/15/2023, 7:47 PM
@AllsGood - your comments are as rotten as the website you mention lol
bobevanz
bobevanz - 11/15/2023, 7:48 PM
Please Marvel... keep Eric Martin employed! You almost gave Loveness the keys to the kingdom, idiots
bobevanz
bobevanz - 11/15/2023, 7:49 PM
Also I need lists to understand things 😉
Skestra
Skestra - 11/15/2023, 8:15 PM
This was a great and enjoyable article!
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 11/15/2023, 8:22 PM
So I think Marvel Studios should scrap "Kang Dynasty" and replace it with Avengers Battleworld. They should introduce The Beyonder as an older Kang variant. Someone like Keith David perhaps. And in his opening scene he arrives at the council of Kangs with Dr. Doom and Ultron from What If. Upon his arrival every Tempad malfunctions and Doom presses a button that causes the entire citadel to collapse within itself in a cosmic super nova killing every Kang variant in attendance. The Beyonder tells Doom and Ultron that the death of every one of his variants means each universe is free to Conquer with nothing standing in their way. We then cut to Loki grinning and looking into the Multiverse plotting a team of Multiversal Avengers to battle Ultron, Doom, and The Beyonder.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/17/2023, 6:49 PM
@SonOfAGif - I think having a button that destroys all the villains in one go (I actually wrote an article about that too) is really lazy writing.

Instead, I think a good way is having Beyonder, Doom or Infinity Ultron (I'd go with one instead of all three) actually side with the Avengers in defeating every Kang, only for the villain to go full boss mode and turn on prime Kang throw the heroes all on Battleworld.

Edit: I did some more thinking, and seeing Doom use a rebuild Ultron would be really cool though. Don't know how The Beyonder could fit in though.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 11/17/2023, 9:59 PM
@bkmeijer1 - It could be considered lazy writing but it could also solidify how powerful The Beyonder truly is. If he could collapse a location within itself, Imagine what he can do to planets and a universe? I do like the concept of the Villain helping the heroes and then betray them which is why I feel like Doom would play that role perfectly with Infinity Ultron as his ally they both betray The Beyonder in the end.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/18/2023, 3:21 AM
@SonOfAGif - but if the villain can dispose so quickly of an enormous group of already powerful villains, how can the heroes' faction even stand a chance?

Think it's more interesting if one Kang variant (i.e. prime Kang) goad the other Kangs into a war with themselves, so the Avengers and Doom only have to mop up Immortus, Scarlet Centurion, Rama-Tut and prime Kang.

Because of the Kang Civil War though, incursions start happening everywhere and you get Beyonder show up and throw what remains onto Battleworld. And then we get Doom and Ultron secretly stealing the Beyonder's power (with a Molecule Man bomb?)
LordHarryLatts
LordHarryLatts - 11/15/2023, 8:24 PM
"Further establishes the mechanics" = makes the time travel gibberish even more ridiculous and nonsensical.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/16/2023, 2:06 AM
@LordHarryLatts - yeah I couldn't settle on a good title. I'm open to suggestions
SauronthePower
SauronthePower - 11/16/2023, 2:48 AM
Excellent, Excellent write-up

PLEASE keep the articles coming

Wish we got more MCU mythos theory postings and less influencer ingratiation fluffer pieces
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/17/2023, 6:38 PM
@SauronthePower - "PLEASE keep the articles coming"

I actually already wrote a couple of other articles, although those are more descriptive/analytical and less deepdives into mythos
Slotherin
Slotherin - 11/16/2023, 7:51 AM
Nice catch with the Norn stuff
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/16/2023, 11:19 AM
@Slotherin - thanks. Felt like I was the only one who caught that, so decided to just throw it in there
StSteven
StSteven - 11/19/2023, 8:28 PM
Well thought out. I will, however, make one minor correction: "HWR'" should be "HWR's". 😊.

Seriously, I do have some additional thoughts that I'd like to add, but in a little while. Busy surfing and diving right now 😉.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/25/2023, 11:23 AM
@StSteven - yeah, you're right. I just put He Who Remains everywhere in the draft, the ' without the s would've made sense more.

Anyway, I'm always open to additional thought.
StSteven
StSteven - 11/25/2023, 10:54 PM
@bkmeijer1 - Yeah sure. I'll give it another read when I get a few minutes, now that I'm back stateside and considerably more sober. FWIW, you'd be happy to know that it turned out that alcohol on the flights was free (as well it should be for 8 hour flights) so I drank Heineken on both flights (interestingly enough, one of the flight attendants on the flight back was on the flight there and she remembered me as "The Heineken Guy" 😳).

Also, as it was the beer selection was rather limited (as you can imagine) so in lieu of my normal beer I just bought cases of Heineken while I was there (along with the occasional local Hawaiian brew and Long Islands by the pool). But to be honest, a poolside Long Island was ~$22.00 each, so I mainly just stuck to my Heiney's.

Pro tip: It turns out that drinking a bunch of those is NOT the best idea the night before you have to get up at 7:45am to go kayaking out to a coral reef for an hour+ of intense snorkeling/diving followed by a long swim back to the kayak and then kayaking back to the shore. And that was the morning before we flew back, which I didn't sleep at all during (leave Maui at 8pm, arrive at Dallas at 7am the next day, login for work at ~9:30am). I'm still recovering 😉. Cheers! 🍻
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/26/2023, 4:53 AM
@StSteven - I'm not sure yet whether it's a good thing or a bad thing you're being remembered as the beer drinking fellow. And also, that's why I just don't do anything the day I fly back
StSteven
StSteven - 11/27/2023, 11:13 PM
@bkmeijer1 - Well, it was specifically "the Heineken guy", so I guess everyone else was drinking domestics? We were flying out from Dallas after all, so...

Yeah, I wasn't planning on doing anything the morning that I had to fly back (especially not at 8:30am), but I was originally set to go SCUBA diving the previous morning and decided to cancel that at the last minute because I had already been diving and wanted to do something different, but the latest that they do the kayak/snorkel tours was 10:30 am and by the time I had decided that that's what I wanted to do it was too late to sign up for it the day before we flew out. So I could only do it the that morning. I originally wanted to do it later in the morning, but my wife was afraid we'd be late for our check-out time so... 8:30am it was 😳.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/28/2023, 2:31 AM
@StSteven - well, I can't blame her
StSteven
StSteven - 11/29/2023, 12:30 AM
@bkmeijer1 - Well, to be fair we were supposed to check out by noon (and high-end resorts are never hard-asses about that plus we're in their "Elite Gold Club" or whatever the hell that is), so I wasn't't too worried about it. And our flight out was at 8pm so we had at least 5+ hours to kill so the resort had a "Hospitality Suite" for folks who were either on their way out or waiting on their rooms, so we went there and... sat. For hours. And hours. Turns out that this Hospitality Suite was pretty nice as it had a main room with seating and a TV and water/coffee and then individual locker rooms for males and females with individual bathrooms with showers. They even had towels, hair dryers, etc. Had I known that I wouldn't have spent the time to get cleaned up beforehand and hit the beach for another couple of hours.

As it was, however, that would have been a real dick thing to do as it would have meant leaving my wife to manage our kids and as you can imagine the more time stretched on the more restless and obnoxious they got, especially our 4 year old, despite the fact that I had a couple of different gaming devices for them to play. That time seemed interminable. But I still had a handful of Heinekens to make it though, so that helped 😉.) Cheers!
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