Marvel Studios Recently Held A Meeting To Establish The Rules Of The MCU's Multiverse, Reveals Kevin Feige

Marvel Studios Recently Held A Meeting To Establish The Rules Of The MCU's Multiverse, Reveals Kevin Feige

In the wake of Loki's season finale, Kevin Feige has opened up on the future of the Multiverse, explaining that they recently held a meeting to establish how it will factor into The MCU from here.

By JoshWilding - Jul 16, 2021 04:07 AM EST
Filed Under: Loki
Source: D23 Inside Disney

Loki has officially introduced the Marvel Cinematic Universe's version of the Multiverse, and the possibilities from here, well, they're endless. Our first glimpse of the chaos to come promises to play out in What If?, followed by movies like Spider-Man: No Way Home and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness

During a recent interview on the D23 Inside Disney podcast, Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige revealed that they've all recently held a meeting to discuss the rules of the Multiverse.

"[The] Multiverse is coming up in a big way," he teased. "There's interconnectivity there that people have already started to see and suss out and I had a meeting this morning with the whole broad Marvel Studios team going through the Multiverse and the rules of the Multiverse and exactly how to really deliver on the excitement surrounding the Multiverse."

"In the same way, the Multiverse is something we geek out about and we really love all the storytelling potential it brings, but thought we had to dull out what it was and introducing the concept even briefly in Doctor Strange and then as a fakeout in Spider-Man: Far From Home," Feige added, seemingly confirming that there won't be a reveal about Mysterio really being from another Earth (a shame, but the sequel did a good job of explaining the Multiverse). 

Feige concluded by sharing one more tease. "I will tell you something: It is more than just fans that are following along with the Multiverse storyline. It's really exciting even to see it mid-way through the Loki series now, as people respond to the possibilities."

When you stop and think about where things could go next, the mind really does boggle, and after Loki, the Marvel Cinematic Universe will never be the same again. Things are going to get really nuts over the next few years and with Kang the Conqueror on the horizon, another Multiversal War is coming.


Click on the "Next" button below for the
biggest reveals from the season finale of Loki!

8. It Was Kang All Along

23242312434324w

Heading into the finale, we were all a little concerned Loki might reveal that another of the God of Mischief's Variants would be the show's big bad. An even worse option was that it could be Miss Minutes, an A.I. that had achieved sentience and killed the Time-Keepers before taking charge of the TVA. 

Thankfully, we instead learned that Kang the Conqueror is the one in charge. Well, one of his Variants. It seems there is no original because the nature of the Multiverse means that countless realities are stacked on top of each other; however, "He Who Remains" was able to weaponise Alioth and wipe out his doppelgangers in order to put an end to a Multiversal War. 

That's because there are other Kangs who simply want to conquer the new worlds they discovered, and as this Variant - who is akin to Immortus - explains, they're now on the way. That's a confusing concept, but one we'll explore a little later. 
 

7. The True Multiversal War

23242312434324w3

The TVA's version of the Multiversal War (explained by Miss Minutes in the first episode) is that all the different timelines started fighting each other for supremacy, and it was only when the Time-Keepers stepped in that disaster was averted. From there, they created a "Sacred Timeline," but there's more to that story than meets the eye.

As Kang explains, the truth is that all his Variants went to war in a bid to protect their timelines and potentially control the others. Now, another war is on the horizon because this endless number of Kangs have been reborn and will, sooner or later, arrive in the Marvel Cinematic Universe looking to conquer and rule over it. 

How Marvel Studios plans to handle this is hard to say; we can't imagine Jonathan Majors playing millions, thousands, hundreds or even dozens of Kangs on screen at the same time, so we're banking on a few different versions showing up like Iron Lad and perhaps even the scientist from the 31st Century who discovered the Multiverse (with the Conqueror as the MCU's new big bad).
 

6. Sylvie Betrays Loki

23242312434324w33

Anyone expecting Loki to return to his villainous nature in this series was definitely left with egg on their face after the finale, because the God of Mischief proved he really had changed.

Sylvie, however, could not see past her desire for revenge and having not learned how fruitless that is (as Loki once did), she betrays him... after they share a kiss. While we can't help but hope that means they will eventually get a happy ending together, this betrayal could be a step too far and Loki is clearly heartbroken by his Variant's actions. 

Sophia Di Martino has said that Sylvie felt empty after killing Kang, so who knows where her story goes next. She has a TemPad that can take her to any timeline, but will she track down Loki or once again head down her own path? Initially, we think it will be the latter, but they simply have to meet again. 
 

5. The Sacred Timeline Is No More

23242312434324w333

Up until this point, everything we've seen in the MCU has taken place on the "Sacred Timeline." Before Loki, we've only actually visited different timelines on two occasions and both of those were in Avengers: Endgame. There, Earth's Mightiest Heroes travelled back to multiple pasts, but managed to "repair" them when Captain America returned the Infinity Stones. 

Even so, their actions must have caused some issues on the Sacred Timeline, all of which were likely resolved by the TVA (possibly meaning that the timelines Steve Rogers returned to were pruned anyway, just like the one Loki managed to escape from in 2012). 

So, why were the Avengers meant to travel back in time? Because Kang wanted Loki to replace him in the Citadel at the End of Time, and as Sam Wilson was destined to become Cap, Steve had to live in a branched timeline so he could return to the main one as an old man. We still have a lot of questions, though, and can't help but think this will be addressed down the line. 
 

4. Judge Renslayer's Mission

23242312434324w3333

While Judge Renslayer clearly knows that everyone in the TVA is a Variant (she certainly seems aware of her own counterpart in 2018), the reveal that the Time-Keepers were robots was just as much a surprise to her as it was to Loki and Sylvie. 

Now, she clearly hopes to track Kang down, but we don't know what those files Miss Minutes gave her revealed or where she's heading. "He Who Remains" clearly wanted her to see them, though, so something tells us Renslayer is on the way to the 31st Century where she'll inadvertently play a role in the creation of the TVA. 

We could see her become a villain in her own right, of course, and her falling for Kang would line up nicely with the comic books. Whatever the case might be, Renslater is a character with an intriguing future in the MCU who could factor into a lot of stories.
 

3. The Birth Of The Multiverse

23242312434324w3333331

As the final few minutes of "For Time. Always." makes clear, the Multiverse has been reborn. However, we're not talking about just a few branching timelines. There are now countless alternate realities, and in terms of how that affects the MCU's future, the ramifications are going to be massive. 

For starters, we now have a much better understanding of how Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield's versions of Spider-Man can factor into Spider-Man: No Way Home as they can just be plucked from another world. Marvel Studios can do that with as many actors and characters as they like now, and this even clears up how Tom Holland will play Spidey in two cinematic universes.

It's inevitable that he'll swing into the SPUMC sooner rather than later, but when he does, that Peter Parker will be a Variant, and his actions won't have any sort of impact on his MCU counterpart. It's a genius idea and one that also opens the door to Marvel Studios eventually recasting characters.
 

2. A Planet Of The Apes-Style Ending

23242312434324w33333

The final scene in Loki definitely pays homage to Planet of the Apes when we see the God of Mischief arrive in the wrong timeline. There, the TVA is ruled over by one of - if not the - Kang the Conqueror "He Who Remains" warned him about, and something tells us the tricker is in big trouble. 

The original Morbius and Hunter B-15 are still alive and well in what we've come to know as the Sacred Timeline, so their memories haven't been wiped or anything like that, but Loki is going to have to contend with Variants he doesn't know who are likely loyal to who they see as their benevolent ruler. 

Honestly, we don't bank on Loki spending much time there because watching him befriend another Mobius and go through all that again sounds kind of...dull? However, there's definitely something to be said for Loki exploring a reality completely unlike his own before meeting Kang. 
 

1. The Conqueror Is Coming

23242312434324w333333

So, we're banking on one definitive Kang the Conqueror making his presence felt in the MCU, but that doesn't mean his Variants won't also make an impact. We'd be shocked if his Variants don't somehow factor into proceedings, though, with an actor younger than Majors suiting up as Iron Lad, for example. 

Kang is an incredibly powerful character, but not one who has ever really made use of an army. That's going to present some challenges when he comes to play with the MCU's Avengers, so perhaps he'll be joined by other, lesser Kangs who can serve as canon fodder for Earth's Mightiest Heroes? 

It's hard to say, but Kang is clearly a major threat, who we'll see take centre stage in Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania. Something tells us his story won't be wrapping up there, however! 
 

LOKI Star Jonathan Majors' Ex-Girlfriend Has Dropped Her Assault And Defamation Lawsuit Against The Actor
Related:

LOKI Star Jonathan Majors' Ex-Girlfriend Has Dropped Her Assault And Defamation Lawsuit Against The Actor

Marvel Television's Brad Winderbaum Talks LOKI Season 3 Chances, Jessica Jones, And Agatha Harkness' Future
Recommended For You:

Marvel Television's Brad Winderbaum Talks LOKI Season 3 Chances, Jessica Jones, And Agatha Harkness' Future

DISCLAIMER: As a user generated site and platform, ComicBookMovie.com is protected under the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act) and "Safe Harbor" provisions.

This post was submitted by a user who has agreed to our Terms of Service and Community Guidelines. ComicBookMovie.com will disable users who knowingly commit plagiarism, piracy, trademark or copyright infringement. Please CONTACT US for expeditious removal of copyrighted/trademarked content. CLICK HERE to learn more about our copyright and trademark policies.

Note that ComicBookMovie.com, and/or the user who contributed this post, may earn commissions or revenue through clicks or purchases made through any third-party links contained within the content above.

1 2 3
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 7/16/2021, 4:07 AM
They better make it clear than how it works, because right now I'm really lost. My guess right now is everytime someone steps into a universe, a branch universe is created, or when someone makes a subconscious choice (choice A or B) a branch universe is created.

Atleast they already have the Quantum Realm in place, which is the easy answer to how you can travel between universes.
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 7/16/2021, 5:22 AM
@bkmeijer - Why would branch universes be a thing with multiversal travel? I can see why that would be the case with time travel.

But multiversal travel probably just works the same way it does in the comics. Just like teleportation.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 7/16/2021, 5:30 AM
@Nightwing1015 - my guess is that for there to be multiple universes (a multiverse), each new universe had to at one point branch of another universe.

Everytime a new branch is created, a new universe is added to the multiverse. Ofcourse there's also just completely different universes, but I can't write my head around how the theoretics of that work.
BB8ANG
BB8ANG - 7/16/2021, 6:57 AM
@bkmeijer - I think since the TVA and the Sacred Timeline were destroyed, the concept of "branching off" is moot since there's no ONE timeline to branch off of anymore, now there's just infinite universes with infinite possibilities. It's best not to think of it any deeper that lol.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 7/16/2021, 7:03 AM
@BB8ANG - thats how I think it works too. Every branch has branches, so it does indeed grows exponentionally to an amount that might as well be infinite. I do like to think about these thinks though
JonC
JonC - 7/16/2021, 10:52 AM
@bkmeijer - as i understand it, you create a branch from the primary 'intended' timeline... you don't create a universe... the danger is that the branch will eventually come into conflict with another parallel universe... one that has already existed alongside you... hence where the alternate Loki's came from. the 'red line' between the parallel universes is the 50/50 line... like its hard to come back once you've passed it. the 3010 kang didn't create the other kangs, he discovered them. they were there all along. its only when one decided to interfere in another universe that a 'universal war' occurred. this is what The One Who Remains fears most.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 7/16/2021, 12:01 PM
@JonC - the way I see it making a choice already leads to two different universe. For example with Alligator Loki. His choice was eating the cat of neighbor A or that of neighbor B. He made the choice for A in the sacred timeline, but that of B in the wrong. Thus there are two universe (one where A happens, when where B).

It's very theoretical about if both existed before that point, or there is some quantum stuff going on (like Schrodingers cat). Don't know how much the MCU follows this, but I like to think about this stuff so I'm already glad they give me something to think about.
Mrcool210
Mrcool210 - 7/16/2021, 4:12 AM
It's nice how they made a meeting like that, even though really the multi verse gives them free reign to do whatever they want. Just like how DC is doing it. It'll be interesting to see how marvel uses it going forward, especially if those spider man rumors are true. ;)

Fares
Fares - 7/16/2021, 4:12 AM
We will see how successful they are in adhering to these rules. It's really difficult, especially if it's strongly influenced by time travel. Even though they tried to keep an airtight approach to the manipulation of time, finding loopholes and paradoxes to the events that happened since Endgame isn't a hard task.
GwenLantern
GwenLantern - 7/16/2021, 4:36 AM
@Fares - Apparently they consulted with Quantum Physicists for Endgame and then just ignored them, to the chagrin of confused fans.
Roodi
Roodi - 7/16/2021, 6:30 AM
@GwenLantern - It was just 2 smart 4 U.
GwenLantern
GwenLantern - 7/16/2021, 6:36 AM
@Roodi - It sure was.
JonC
JonC - 7/16/2021, 10:54 AM
@GwenLantern - i would like to say all physicists are in agreement with each other... but that is not true. so marvel is following the one they prefer.
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 7/22/2021, 7:00 PM
@GwenLantern - Not quantum physicists, theoretical physicists. And no they did not ignore them. Time travel is not actually possible. But there is science that explains, "if time travel were possible, this would be the closest way to achieve it." I.e. time dilation; no it doesn't facilitate moving back in time but it does explain how time can affect something differently the closer to light speed it moves. Given that, through a sci-fi lens, you have a vehicle to give time travel a more plausible basis. And yes, the exposition of time travel in the MCU is quite accurate to the theoretical understanding of how time works.
rebellion
rebellion - 7/16/2021, 4:13 AM
I liked both endgame and loki, but maybe they needed to hold that meeting sooner. Cuz already their ideas are clashing with one another and leave more questions than answers.
JonC
JonC - 7/16/2021, 10:56 AM
@rebellion - i don't think the questions are on their part, just from a fans limited knowledge viewpoint... because they have only revealed pieces of how it works so far. and lets face it, it could change, kang is a human that chose to interfere and create his own rules... who is to say someone else can't choose it to function another way
WeaponXCII
WeaponXCII - 7/16/2021, 4:20 AM
I would have really liked to be at that meeting, because the rules still aren’t entirely clear to me, especially given Infinity War/Endgame. Glad to see I’m not the only one.
ForceofWakanda
ForceofWakanda - 7/16/2021, 5:06 PM
@WeaponXCII -

I mean Endgame didn't even make sense and contradicted itself in the end, so your confusion isn't misplaced

Which is why you had the directors and writers both giving different answers to questions about the movie.
WakandanQueen
WakandanQueen - 7/16/2021, 4:20 AM
I'mma be disappointed if Beck just guessed that the multiverse exists.
IronGenesis
IronGenesis - 7/16/2021, 4:43 AM
Kind of glad then that Shang Chi and Externals are up next. Neither feel very multiverse centric.

Can still have that fresh restart, stick in the MCU and not have to devout more time than necessary to keeping up with what is happening.
JonC
JonC - 7/16/2021, 10:57 AM
@IronGenesis - its possible abomination didn't evolve to have his new look and is fact a variant
IronGenesis
IronGenesis - 7/16/2021, 11:24 AM
@JonC - my issue is how wong couldn’t beat Abomination in 2.3 seconds.
GwenLantern
GwenLantern - 7/16/2021, 4:44 AM
So the meeting was with "The whole broad Marvel Studios team". Why not the whole broad Marvel team? Including the guys whose paid job it is to keep track of the multiverse.

Remember that guy who did the MODOK show saying that Marvel called him up to discuss what number Earth his MODOK show would be set in? Those guys.

Because it seems like they didn't realise that the MCU has always been a part of the Multiverse as Earth 199999.

Isn't Kevin Feige supposed to be overseeing the comics now? Because if Loki contradicts the comics on this then isn't he contradicting himself?
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 7/16/2021, 4:54 AM
@GwenLantern - my guess is they're keeping live-action and comics/animation seperate. The multiverse is already complicated enough for general audience members, don't need to throw in an even larger universe with already established rules to throw in there too
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 7/16/2021, 5:25 AM
@bkmeijer - I've never understood why people think that'd would be too complicated. It's the simplest concept in the world. Every Marvel cartoon/show/comic exists somewhere in the multiverse. Very straightforward.

I think it's actually more complicated if you start saying there are multiple multiverses that can or cannot crossover with each other.
GwenLantern
GwenLantern - 7/16/2021, 5:31 AM
@bkmeijer - Well, yes that is what they're doing. But in doing that, they are contradicting official MCU continuity.

Back in the day, Marvel would offer a no-prize for someone who could outline and then explain any continuity errors (and later the TVA was created to explain them, ironically enough).

So in that spirit, here's how it might make sense:
The Multiversal War spoken of in the Loki series was in fact the same event as the incursions that began Jonathan Hickman's Secret Wars.
The Kang stuff all happened in the background.
(in fact we did see two warring Kang's during the incursions in the comics at this time, so lets assume they were ALL warring).
Now the incursions were to destroy all universes but one. In Secret Wars, Dr. Doom stole the power of the beyonders and created Battleworld from the remnants of all the destroyed universes in the now defunct multiverse.

But what about the one universe remaining?

Maybe that was the sacred timeline. Once known as Earth 199999. Preserved by the last remaining Kang.
Doom only saved the destroyed remnants of universes. And from Battleworld, the new comics multiverse was born.
But what if the Sacred Timeline was actually the one universe to remain after the incursions. What if it became it's own multiverse, now separate from the comics multiverse?

Hire Jonathan Hickman to write this as an official prequel comics mini-series leading towards Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness, detailing the origins of the Marvel Cinematic Universe and the secret history of the first Multiversal War. Tie-ing into his acclaimed Avengers run and Secret Wars as well as leading towards the MCU version of Secret Wars in the future.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 7/16/2021, 5:36 AM
@Nightwing1015 @GwenLantern - I think it's more easy for us to understand because we have the comic book knowledge, but for a general audience member I think it's more easy to understand the MCU is just it's own multiverse.

There's enough fun ways to explain why the MCU is a seperate Multiverse that satisfies both the seasoned fan and can let the general audience member just enjoy the MCU without telling them the comics hold importance too (although I wouldn't mind more people reading comics).
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 7/16/2021, 7:09 AM
@bkmeijer - But the second you explain the concept of a multiverse at all, you're already kind of making things more complex in a comic-booky way.

It's no less complicated to say that the MCU is it's own multiverse than to say that all Marvels films/shows/comics are somewhere in a multiverse.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 7/16/2021, 7:18 AM
@Nightwing1015 - I just think that once Marvel Studios announces all of Marvel Entertainment is part of the same multiverse, people might take that as a sign they have to keep up with everything Marvel Entertainment puts out.

But yeah, I do still agree saying everything is part of same multiverse (does our universe also count then?) is easier.
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 7/16/2021, 8:13 AM
@bkmeijer - Nah that would be silly. Nobody started watching all of the 1960s Spider-Man show because he turned up in Spider-verse.
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 7/16/2021, 8:13 AM
And I actually think that our reality is an earth in the Marvel multiverse actually haha

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Earth-1218
Razorface1
Razorface1 - 7/16/2021, 9:41 AM
@GwenLantern - "What if it became it's own multiverse, now separate from the comics multiverse?"

Following the rules of the multiverse, they would have to be either two completely redundant multiverses or one multiverse and one... tiny multiverse with just a few universes I guess?
GwenLantern
GwenLantern - 7/16/2021, 10:14 AM
@Razorface1 - Sure, but if the split between the multiverses happens at the end of a Crisis-level event like Jonathan Hickman's Secret Wars, then there could be two separate multiverses. Each one just as valid as the other.
Razorface1
Razorface1 - 7/16/2021, 10:21 AM
@GwenLantern - Agreed. Its just dumb to have two multiverses instead of one.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 7/16/2021, 10:25 AM
@Nightwing1015 - yeah thats true. Guess I'll just have to wait and see what they'll do
1 2 3
View Recorder