MS. MARVEL EP Reveals The Rejected AVENGERS: ENDGAME Retcon She Pitched To Kevin Feige

MS. MARVEL EP Reveals The Rejected AVENGERS: ENDGAME Retcon She Pitched To Kevin Feige

Ms. Marvel executive producer Bisha K. Ali has revealed that she pitched Kevin Feige on a slight retcon to Avengers: Endgame which would have explained a certain plot point in the Disney+ series.

By MarkCassidy - Jun 12, 2022 11:06 AM EST
Filed Under: Ms. Marvel

The first episode of Ms. Marvel introduced us to Captain Marvel fan-girl Kamala Khan, and wasted little time in revealing that the teenager was well aware of Carol Danvers' heroic role in Avengers Endgame's final battle.

So, how did members of the public know the finer details of that massive, world-altering conflict? The show explains that Scott Lang (Paul Rudd) told all during the in-universe "Big Me Little Me" podcast interview, but a very different idea was pitched to Kevin Feige... before being immediately rejected!

During an interview with The Wrap, Ms. Marvel executive producer Bisha K. Ali revealed that she proposed a slight retcon to the Infinity Saga finale.

"At one point, like early days before we kind of expanded the creative team out, I was like, 'Kevin, what if there was like, drones and a live stream of the battle of ‘Endgame?' And he was like, ‘Bisha, no.' I’m like, there wasn’t one Twitch streamer around for the final battle of ‘Endgame?' Are we kidding?"

"I think I lost my mind at that point, trying to solve this riddle," she continued. "So it was really a big iterative journey. And it was something that kind of changed and moved all the way through. And I think it must have been a Sana [Amanat, co-creator of the Ms. Marvel comics] pitch by the end. Or it might even — I actually have no idea where that idea came from. But when we kind of integrated it into the script, I think it was perfect. It was characterful.”

Though it sounds like a minor alteration on the surface, we're not really surprised that Feige was convinced by Ali's pitch. Fans don't tend to respond very well to even the smallest retcon, so the Scott Lang podcast was probably the best way to go!

What do you guys think? Would you have been bothered if Kamala's knowledge of the events of Endgame was never addressed at all, or would it have stood out to you as a plot hole?

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GhostDog
GhostDog - 6/12/2022, 11:35 AM
Feige with the W. This would’ve been cringe.
Fogs
Fogs - 6/12/2022, 12:39 PM
@GhostDog - tbh considering the rockstar status the Avengers would have if they were real would probably mean some of the press 24/7 in their base vicinity so it wouldn't be absurd if someone captured at least some distant aerial footage from the battle.
SpaceParanoids
SpaceParanoids - 6/12/2022, 12:48 PM
@Fogs - If you consider how much chaos in the world because of the snap, even after five years, the media would a) not be there and b) The Avengers security protocols would not allow the media anywhere near their compound.

Nope.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 6/12/2022, 12:51 PM
@SpaceParanoids - also it was a big explosion, not sure how any of that stuff would've survived
Fogs
Fogs - 6/12/2022, 12:51 PM
@SpaceParanoids - nah. None of these points makes sense, sorry.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 6/12/2022, 12:52 PM
@Fogs - you have a point but also everyone who got snapped away literally just snapped back and I think the chaos of that probably would’ve taken precedent.

Not to mention, I think Tony would’ve taken measures to make sure no civilians would be able to get within a mile radius of that fight.
SpaceParanoids
SpaceParanoids - 6/12/2022, 12:55 PM
@Fogs - Yeah they actually do, but you don’t want them to because it derails your argument.
SpaceParanoids
SpaceParanoids - 6/12/2022, 12:55 PM
@GhostDog - You get it. He does to, but just doesn’t want to.
Fogs
Fogs - 6/12/2022, 12:56 PM
@GhostDog - as if the battle was foreseen.

But it's ok, they didn't do it. It's one of those "whatever the writer wants" scenarios.
Fogs
Fogs - 6/12/2022, 12:57 PM
@SpaceParanoids - hahha what argument? Press wasn't there cause the writers didn't want to, period.

As if it was of any importance.
SpaceParanoids
SpaceParanoids - 6/12/2022, 1:00 PM
@Fogs - The press wouldn’t even had time to make it to that location. Keep in mind, half of the worlds population just reappeared mere seconds before the battle started. The world was in chaos and there were other more important stories in their back yard.

Reporters are lazy. Use your head.
Fogs
Fogs - 6/12/2022, 1:00 PM
Plus my "argument" was someone having some distant aerial footage or whatever, some lights in the sky someone filmed in their apartment or whatever. Like when some big explosion happens around in the real world.

But ok, you guys hate the idea, no problem.
Fogs
Fogs - 6/12/2022, 1:00 PM
@SpaceParanoids - k bro
SpaceParanoids
SpaceParanoids - 6/12/2022, 1:02 PM
@Fogs - They were in upstate New York. There is nothing up there especially tall apartment complexes that could get a hint of anything in the distance.

Fogs
Fogs - 6/12/2022, 1:07 PM
@SpaceParanoids - you're totally right. The press would never have someone covering the avengers complex specially after the blip ended, a 5-year event people knew it had to do with the them, cause reporters are lazy, plus there were no smartphones in that part of the state and civilans wouldn't care registering a huge ass spaceship coming around deploying an army like it happened in Wakanda. After all 100% people were all shocked their friends were back so... Makes total sense, congrats.

/s, obviously
SpaceParanoids
SpaceParanoids - 6/12/2022, 1:15 PM
@Fogs - Are the press covering Fort Hood Texas every day. That’s one of the largest bases in the country.

No, because they aren’t allowed ON Fort Hood.
Let it go.
Fogs
Fogs - 6/12/2022, 1:20 PM
@SpaceParanoids - sure, you win. With such strong logical arguments.

Congratulations.
SpaceParanoids
SpaceParanoids - 6/12/2022, 1:35 PM
@Fogs - I know I do. thank you.
Fogs
Fogs - 6/12/2022, 1:45 PM
@SpaceParanoids - No problem bro, I understand dunning-kruger is strong in these parts.
SpaceParanoids
SpaceParanoids - 6/12/2022, 2:06 PM
@Fogs - Yeah, You would be familiar with that.

I see you’re also big on the last word. It’s all yours so it makes you feel better.
JonC
JonC - 6/12/2022, 4:35 PM
@Fogs - gotta remember half the world got snapped... with the half that was left they probably weren't real concerned about the 'action' that goes on at the Avengers compound day to day... and when the other half returned... they were likely just happy to get back to finding who they missed for 5 years... only the Avengers were instantly ready to go to war and be at the compound.
PLUS... people have had enough drones with Spiderman and Tony Stark which was to come later...
If people could respond that quickly with drones then they would be doing it at all major news events (which they don't).
Fogs
Fogs - 6/12/2022, 5:18 PM
@JonC - See, I'm not even into this specific drone idea. All I wonder is the relationship people would have with such a force like the Avengers and these world-changing events happening real time.
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 6/12/2022, 9:50 PM
@GhostDog - Not really. It's entirely plausible Avengers compound had some sort of security protocol that released surveillance drones.
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 6/12/2022, 9:53 PM
@SpaceParanoids - ^^^ No reason to assume the drones were from the press.
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