Ruben Fleischer Shares His Take On Why VENOM Resonated With Fans When Sony's Other Spin-offs Flopped

Ruben Fleischer Shares His Take On Why VENOM Resonated With Fans When Sony's Other Spin-offs Flopped

Venom director Ruben Fleischer has shared his thoughts on the Lethal Protector's franchise succeeding where Morbius, Madame Web, and Kraven the Hunter all failed, and comments on studio interference...

By JoshWilding - Nov 09, 2025 04:11 AM EST
Filed Under: Venom
Source: The Playlist

While the Venom movies never really received much in the way of critical acclaim (they scored 31%, 58%, and 40%, respectively, on Rotten Tomatoes), they were successful at the box office. 

The first instalment, released in 2018, remains the biggest hit with a massive $856.1 million worldwide. Had Venom: Let There Be Carnage not had to contend with COVID, and superhero—and Sony–fatigue wasn't such an issue for Venom: The Last Dance, perhaps those sequels would have ended their runs somewhere in the same ballpark. 

Both ended up around the $500 million mark, so they weren't exactly flops and were still far greater successes than box office bombs like Morbius, Madame Web, and Kraven the Hunter

Despite those movies featuring star-studded casts (the latter even tried to tap into Deadpool & Wolverine's success with an R-rating), they never came close to reaching the same heights as the Lethal Protector. 

Talking to The Playlist, Venom director Ruben Fleischer was asked for his thoughts on why those spin-offs didn't resonate with audiences in quite the same way. 

"I can’t really speak to too much because I haven’t seen all the other ones," Fleischer started. "But I think something that people love about 'Venom' is that he’s funny. You know what I mean? It doesn’t take itself too seriously. It’s kind of a ridiculous premise that you have an alien living inside you and sharing space with you."

"I kind of leaned into the—I don’t know if it’s really body horror—but 'All of Me' with Steve Martin was a big inspiration. 'An American Werewolf in London' was another one," the filmmaker continued. "Both are tonally on the more humorous side of things. I think 'Venom' is darker among the superhero franchises, just in terms of the way the character looks and his attitude."

"But he’s also really, really funny. So Tom Hardy was able to realize that wonderfully. And I think the charisma of Tom and of Venom himself is largely what has made it so popular among audiences," he added. 

Pushed on whether he believes Sony's failed attempt to launch its own Marvel Universe might have been a problem, Fleischer mused, "I’m really proud of the way that the movie turned out, and the process was a collaboration, like all studio movies are. I think anyone who claims from any of the studios that they’re making $200 million movies and they’re singular voices is probably not totally accurate."

After Kraven the Hunter, Sony decided to put its live-action spin-off plans on hold to focus on Spider-Man: Brand New Day and Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse. However, a Spider-Noir series is coming to Prime Video next year, and it's already drawn the ire of fans for renaming that alternate universe Peter Parker, "Ben Reilly." 

Why do you think Venom worked where Morbius, Madame Web, and Kraven the Hunter failed? Let us know in the comments section.

About The Author:
JoshWilding
Member Since 3/13/2009
Comic Book Reader. Film Lover. WWE and F1 Fan. Rotten Tomatoes-approved critic and ComicBookMovie.com's #1 contributor.
Despite Their Failure, Sony’s Marvel Movies Were Actually A Good Idea
Related:

Despite Their Failure, Sony’s Marvel Movies Were Actually A Good Idea

We Had To Come Up With A Whole New Origin: VENOM Director Breaks Silence On Sony's SPIDER-MAN Restrictions
Recommended For You:

"We Had To Come Up With A Whole New Origin": VENOM Director Breaks Silence On Sony's SPIDER-MAN Restrictions

DISCLAIMER: As a user generated site and platform, ComicBookMovie.com is protected under the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act) and "Safe Harbor" provisions.

This post was submitted by a user who has agreed to our Terms of Service and Community Guidelines. ComicBookMovie.com will disable users who knowingly commit plagiarism, piracy, trademark or copyright infringement. Please CONTACT US for expeditious removal of copyrighted/trademarked content. CLICK HERE to learn more about our copyright and trademark policies.

Note that ComicBookMovie.com, and/or the user who contributed this post, may earn commissions or revenue through clicks or purchases made through any third-party links contained within the content above.

Lokiwasright
Lokiwasright - 11/9/2025, 4:40 AM
Only #1 was decent.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 11/9/2025, 4:41 AM

Easy answer to this.

The first Venom movie had some good parts. The other two not as much. At least these were watchable.

But the other movies were all horrible.
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 11/9/2025, 4:55 AM
Would've been cool if it were a more accurate take and existed in a world with Spider-man, and if it were better acted and had better VSFX. also, a better score, different cast, more appropriate director and a decent script. Otherwise perfect
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/9/2025, 4:57 AM
@ProfessorWhy - Coincidentally when they established that this was in a different world to Spider-man's main MCU in Venom 2 it flopped and al subsequent SPUMC movies flopped too.
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 11/9/2025, 5:07 AM
@ObserverIO - these 2 things did happen around the same time, or coincided, but they were not some part of a chain reaction. Logic as faulty as the Venom flicks
Knightrider
Knightrider - 11/9/2025, 5:15 AM
Why was Venom #1 successful? People thought Spider-Man might show up
WruceBayne
WruceBayne - 11/9/2025, 11:56 AM
@Knightrider - maaaaaan… that rumor showed up throughout Venoms whole 3 movie production. I remember reports saying that Tom Holland was reportedly on set of the 2nd and 3rd sequels
Knightrider
Knightrider - 11/9/2025, 2:50 PM
@WruceBayne - Yeah, they milked that rumour every movie knowing it would draw an audience.

Heck Morbius went so far as to fake a trailer scene
WruceBayne
WruceBayne - 11/9/2025, 4:26 PM
@Knightrider - absolutely
MadThanos
MadThanos - 11/9/2025, 5:29 AM
I agree with him.

Venom is my favorite Marvel villain probably and comic writers get Venon wrong frequently. He's the classic betrayed partner story, like that friend you know that says "I'm totally over him/her" but it's just jealous. Venom wants Peter back and that's why he never (originally?) really killed Peter and the reason why he always ends up sabotaging himself in the end.

And also, that scene where he admitted to be a loser in Klyntar was really funny.

TheShape9859
TheShape9859 - 11/9/2025, 5:31 AM
The Venom movies sucked
TheNewYorkerr
TheNewYorkerr - 11/9/2025, 6:12 AM
And here I thought those Venom movies flopped.
DianaGohan
DianaGohan - 11/9/2025, 9:49 AM
@TheNewYorkerr - Nope all of them even the last were technically box office successes. Hell 2018's Venom made more money then Mission Impossible Fallout OR Deadpool 2. And yes each made less money but I think you could blame Let There Be Carnage doing less a bit on the Pandemic and I have a feeling if the third Venom movie was allowed to be a crossover with the MCU Spider Man it WOULD have been a success but no it had to be some dumbass story trying to set up Knull as a big multiversal threat despite getting rid of the Eddie Brock/Venom connection people enjoyed enough it made it to 3 films.
IAmAHoot
IAmAHoot - 11/9/2025, 7:27 AM
How about because it's a character that far more of the vast majority actually care about (never mind even know about)?
DianaGohan
DianaGohan - 11/9/2025, 9:51 AM
@IAmAHoot - Yeah the big reason that Venom was even pushed to be in Raimi's third Spider-man movie is because of the character's popularity which is STILL a big thing now. Unlike Morbius who had decent popularity in the 90's but nothing to Venom's level and yeah far less then Venom. And Madame Web is far worse then that... I guess Kraven has more popularity then her but ONLY as a Spider Man villain not on his own at all.
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 11/9/2025, 7:31 AM
People were expecting a trajectory that lead to a Spider-Man showdown. It never happened, so these Venom movies will inevitably become forgettable when a decent rendition shows up.
Mercwitham0uth
Mercwitham0uth - 11/9/2025, 7:55 AM
The first movie was alright but the other 2 were bad.

As for the other Sony Marvel films following that, they were all terrible.

Another thing is Venom has been a popular character for years. He gained a lot of over-exposure in the 90's, but was still a big seller in comics/merch. He was my fave character for a lot of years when I was a kid. Then it became Deadpool in my early teens.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 11/9/2025, 8:17 AM
@Mercwitham0uth - Yup and goes beyond just comic readers as I know of some who collect Venomised Funko's and the like that never read his comics which is a fairly rare thing for collectables.

Could the film's have been a lot better, 100%, but for all their flaws they were fun enough for most that the plotholes etc didn't matter (much like the Deadpool franchise in many ways).

I do completely GET those who only want the more serious antagonist version from the source, but the more comedic version of latter comics simply has more broad appeal beyond just us nerds and maybe even, secretly, amongst us too. Least as far as beyond a one off time as the villain in a Spider-man movie anyway, after that you kinda need at least some of the goofy to make him work for most in a more hero type role.
Vigor
Vigor - 11/9/2025, 8:58 AM
@Mercwitham0uth - exactly. This guy is undervaluing the IP

Venom is huge. Morbius is not but would and could have become larger if Spiderman was in the film
WalletsClosed
WalletsClosed - 11/9/2025, 9:01 AM
These movies were awful brainrot

Reboot the MCU and DCU
Slotherin
Slotherin - 11/9/2025, 9:04 AM
@WalletsClosed - this was neither MCU nor DCU... It really does sound overcooked when you gotta keep saying that.
Slotherin
Slotherin - 11/9/2025, 9:11 AM
Aside from removing Spider-Man, the first film at least was fairly faithful compared to other attempts and showed some love for the character.
Tom Hardy was fun to watch and filled both roles well, acting as a driving force for the film. Also, the end teased Carnage and there was always a hope to see Spider-Man. Venom also looked better than his last film appearance. It also had charm.

Morbius had [frick]ing Leto doing a shit job and no one cared to fill in characterization. He never seems likeable or charming or interesting.

Kraven had a great star, but they completely bastardized the character (all characters in it really) to make the film and they wait til the literal last second to have him resemble his comic book counterpart.
BruceWayng
BruceWayng - 11/9/2025, 10:12 AM
It’s not that hard to figure out folks. How many solo Venom comics has Marvel sold compared to Kraven, Morbius or Madam Web?

Hollywood is filled with the dumbest people in the highest pod positions. I seriously can’t wait for AI to wipe the entire industry out.
Lucasberg
Lucasberg - 11/9/2025, 10:16 AM
The first Venom was actually pretty dang good and it represented a character with a RABID fanbase so the hype was through the roof. Venom 2 and 3 were much weaker. Fleischer deserves credit because he actually sort of did justice to this character given the constraints he had to work with, without Spidey being part of this movie.
TheVisionary27
TheVisionary27 - 11/9/2025, 11:08 AM
@Lucasberg - Well said.
Lucasberg
Lucasberg - 11/9/2025, 3:43 PM
@TheVisionary27 - thanks dude 👊
dragon316
dragon316 - 11/9/2025, 11:40 AM
This venom was better to Sam raimi venom Spider-Man 3 look and powers of ultimate venom with personality of lethal protector

?si=atslGLQUg6cWIK1k
WruceBayne
WruceBayne - 11/9/2025, 12:16 PM
Venom could’ve been great WITHOUT Spider-man(I know it sacrilegious but hear me out). All you had to do was give him a lesser known hero that would’ve never carried his own movie to fight, for example, Ricochet. He still in the Spider-man mythos and he’s not big enough to where his defeat or unmasking would resonate throughout the universe.
Give Venom an objective and have Ricochet stop him. You can tell Ricochet’s backstory in the opening credits of Venom and viola you have a hero that can fight a villain and possibly won’t see ever again.
Corruptor
Corruptor - 11/9/2025, 1:02 PM
Popular character is popular, unpopular characters are unpopular, breaking news shock.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 11/9/2025, 1:48 PM
Making Venom a dark or black comedy inherently is not a bad thing since there is precedent for that in the comics so Flesicher emphasizing that in his film & this take overall is fine since it’s an element of the character he liked and connected with…

User Comment Image

User Comment Image

User Comment Image

The execution of it though left a lot to be desired in terms of humor & such ( even though Hardy gave a very committed performance as both Eddie & Venom).
asherman93
asherman93 - 11/9/2025, 5:45 PM
I'd argue its also because Venom had at least some degree of recognition by non-comic fans that he could support a solo flick unconnected to Spider-Man.
BlackStar25
BlackStar25 - 11/9/2025, 10:34 PM
They got lucky honestly...Lots of missed opportunities as well.

Please log in to post comments.

Don't have an account?
Please Register.

View Recorder