"We Had To Come Up With A Whole New Origin": VENOM Director Breaks Silence On Sony's SPIDER-MAN Restrictions

"We Had To Come Up With A Whole New Origin": VENOM Director Breaks Silence On Sony's SPIDER-MAN Restrictions

Venom director Ruben Fleischer has commented on the unique challenge of telling a story about Eddie Brock without his origin story, connections to Spider-Man, or chest logo. Was a crossover ever planned?

By JoshWilding - Nov 09, 2025 12:11 PM EST
Filed Under: Venom
Source: The Playlist

When Sony Pictures announced plans for a Venom movie starring Tom Hardy, there was a lot of excitement among fans. Even with Tom Holland's Spider-Man being part of the MCU, there was hope that the two worlds might somehow connect to set up a future clash. 

That all changed when fans sat down to watch the blockbuster. Hardy's madcap take on the Lethal Protector didn't work for comic book readers, and while Venom was a box office hit in 2018, it took a lot of liberties with the comics while creating a new origin story for Eddie Brock that didn't include Spider-Man. 

Talking to The Playlist, filmmaker Ruben Fleischer admitted that bringing the character to the big screen without his origin story—or chest logo—was a big challenge at the time. 

"That was the first real Spider-Man-affiliated movie," he recalled. "We were all trying to figure out exactly what that wants to be. 'Venom' was always defined by Spider-Man—our movie couldn’t feature Spider-Man. So it created an interesting challenge."

"From my memory of it, granted it was a while ago, but from my memory of it, it was always distinct from Spider-Man," Fleischer added, confirming that the movie wasn't made with an eventual crossover in mind. "Maybe there was the possibility of them crossing paths down the road, but inherent to ours was that it couldn’t be defined by that."

"It’s funny because in the comics, Venom has a spider on his chest, and that’s because he derives from Spider-Man. We had to come up with a whole new origin story and actually create a different pattern on his chest, unique for the film, because it wouldn’t have made sense if he had a spider on his chest if he had no affiliation with Spider-Man," he added, sharing that "it all worked out the way it was supposed to," given the franchise's eventual financial success. 

Sony did start teasing the idea of a meeting between Spider-Man and Venom in 2021. At the end of Venom: The Last Dance, Eddie was transported into the MCU, where his alien symbiote took great interest in a news report about Spidey. 

Despite that, Venom was not among the villains who battled the web-slinger at the Statue of Liberty and was sent back home in a post-credits scene. Venom: The Last Dance teased Knull as a possible Multiversal threat, but also ended Hardy's time as the character for what looked like a planned Agent Venom movie. Like the other Sony spin-offs, that's no longer moving forward. 

Peter Parker will return in Spider-Man: Brand New Day next summer, where he's set to battle The Scorpion. The prevailing theory is that Mac Gargan could be the next Venom after Spidey brings the alien suit back with him from Battleworld in Avengers: Secret Wars

Are you disappointed that we never got a Spider-Man/Venom crossover?

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OgHerManM
OgHerManM - 11/9/2025, 12:37 PM
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MGSSnake1988
MGSSnake1988 - 11/9/2025, 12:42 PM
Whatever damage Spider-Man 3 did to the franchise's future led to a bunch of shenanigans.

Good thing Disney and Sony's MCU iteration brought almost $4 billion at the box office, saving the character's reputation
dragon316
dragon316 - 11/9/2025, 2:40 PM
@MGSSnake1988 - Disney and marvel is not perfect taskmaster , others modok and more
GarthRanzz
GarthRanzz - 11/9/2025, 7:58 PM
@MGSSnake1988 - The MCU movies are fun. But the Amazing movies felt more Spier-Man to me.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 11/9/2025, 1:22 PM

After Brand new Day and Doomsday/Secret Wars, the next 2 or 3 Spidey movies should the epic story of Eddie Brock/Venom vs Spider-Man after he comes back from Secret Wars with some black goo on him.

Nothing else is acceptable.
BackwardGalaxy
BackwardGalaxy - 11/9/2025, 2:22 PM
I enjoyed the Venom movies. It felt like one big Tom Hardy vanity project. But it worked. The dude was charming.
dragon316
dragon316 - 11/9/2025, 2:41 PM
@BackwardGalaxy - he grew in size and voice changed same things Todd looking for in venom movie Todd McFarland was dissatisfied disappointed with Spider-Man 3 venom he loved venom trilogy yeah he will made some minor changes eyes and teeth but that’s his thing
JackDeth
JackDeth - 11/9/2025, 2:32 PM
I will never forgive SONY for taking this beloved IP and parting it out to try to squeeze the MOST money out of it as possible, without putting any effort into writing a coherent story. What annoys me most is how many actors were tricked into thinking they were joining the MCU.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/9/2025, 3:38 PM
"our movie couldn’t feature Spider-Man"

You could, but for some reason Sony didn't want to. I think they could've gotten away with it if they just used Garfield's Spider-Man. Could've even done without Garfield, as it wouldn't feature Peter Parker.
Equivocal
Equivocal - 11/9/2025, 4:57 PM

I read somewhere that the Russo Brothers wanted to include some type of black symbiote in the infinite war/Endgame movie movies when Peter came back from space

BUT

sony being sony, got ahead of them and decided to make their own venom movie

resulting in that trilogy that went nowhere...

I haven't seen any of the venom movies and from what I heard, they are not comic accurate and they are also not good

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TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 11/9/2025, 5:06 PM
I mean , I feel they did the best they could with the backstory & such given the constraints they had put upon them…

It’s just unfortunate that the movies didn’t have anything really going for them outside Tom Hardy which might be enough for some but wasn’t for me with the first 2 films being bad-meh imo (never saw The Last Dance).
BobGarlen
BobGarlen - 11/10/2025, 8:45 AM
My pitch would have been to make it set Post-Spider-Man encounter. Either he's in jail or on the beach after having fought Spider-Man, and hint HEAVILY that it was Andrew's so there could be a heavier implied history, the white Spider, everything needed. I'd have done an opening credit sequence using art from the comics to get around it. Then pick up with Joe-Government or someone coming to Eddie for help, Eddie not interested, and J.G. having the symbiote with him. Venom "breaks" out and with the understanding they hunt down Target A for J.G. let it spin into a bigger story, focus it entirely in San Francisco. Your A story is typical Superhero movie fare. B story is Eddie and the Symbiote working out what happened with Spider-Man and learning to move past that, Eddie realizes he did bring about his own failure, while the Symbiote realizes that Eddie is a much more caring person with the knowledge of what it is. Venom keeps the white Spider on his chest until they have that epiphany and don't need the reminder of Spider-Man. Done.
MrDandy
MrDandy - 11/10/2025, 9:51 AM
You could have still put the spider on the chest lol. It didn’t have to be affiliated with Spider-Man it could have been there because his name is, you know, VENOM

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