AVENGERS: ENDGAME Co-Director Joe Russo Takes A "Box Office" Dig At Martin Scorsese In TikTok Video

AVENGERS: ENDGAME Co-Director Joe Russo Takes A "Box Office" Dig At Martin Scorsese In TikTok Video

Avengers: Endgame co-director Joe Russo has responded to one of Martin Scorsese's TikTok videos with a little dig about the MCU's box office, and Film Twitter is up in arms...

By MarkCassidy - Oct 30, 2023 10:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Endgame

Legendary Killers of the Flower Moon director Martin Scorsese has never minced words when it comes to his dislike for Marvel movies (the superhero genre overall, really), and this has not sat very well with some MCU fans.

In a recent GQ profile, Scorsese was asked about his previous comments on the subject, and made it clear that he believes comic book films (and huge studio blockbusters in general) may ultimately contribute to smaller, independent and art house movies being erased from the cinematic landscape completely.

“The danger there is what it’s doing to our culture,” he said. “Because there are going to be generations now that think movies are only those — that’s what movies are.”

“They already think that,” he continued. “Which means that we have to then fight back stronger. And it’s got to come from the grassroots level. It’s gotta come from the filmmakers themselves. And you’ll have, you know, the Safdie brothers, and you’ll have Chris Nolan, you know what I mean? And hit ’em from all sides. Hit ’em from all sides, and don’t give up. Let’s see what you got. Go out there and do it. Go reinvent. Don’t complain about it. But it’s true, because we’ve got to save cinema.”

While most tend to feel Scorsese is more than entitled to his opinion and don't take his comments all that seriously, others almost seem to view his dismissal of major superhero blockbusters as being little more than "rollercoaster rides" as a personal slight.

Now, Avengers: Infinity War and Endgame co-director Joe Russo has belatedly responded to Scorsese via a TikTok video. The original clip sees Scorsese asking his dog, Oscar, to "show me sadness," and Russo has added a little dig about his MCU films performing a lot better at the box office.

Though Russo is clearly just having a bit of fun here, he has been called out for being "petty," and Film Twitter (Film X?) is being predictably over-the-top about the whole thing, with Scorsese defenders falling over themselves to point out that Joe and his brother Anthony's post-MCU projects haven't exactly been major critical or commercial hits (though one could argue that their Netflix collaborations have performed very well for the streaming service overall).

What do you make of Russo's video? Do people need to lighten up and stop taking all of this back-and-forth so seriously, or should the filmmaker go get his f*ckin' shinebox and apologize to Marty? Be sure to drop us a comment down below.

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Evansly
Evansly - 10/30/2023, 10:06 AM
That is pretty damn funny
Variant
Variant - 10/30/2023, 11:07 AM
@TheClunges - That's kind of the dig tho. Scorsese has "Oscar" performances but Russo's have higher "box office" performance.

And as much as I love Scorsese films -- they're probably my favorite -- he himself doesn't have a valid argument about cinema. There are many different genres to filmmaking and what he creates isn't the only way to produce cinema. Even down to the foundational attributes of a film, trying to say CBMs aren't cinema is just an asinine argument.
BraveNewClunge
BraveNewClunge - 10/30/2023, 11:53 AM
@Variant - I defo agree with you..

Where the hell did my original comment go 😅 who did it offend 😮‍💨
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 10/30/2023, 2:06 PM
@Variant - Well said. Despite all of the arguing and disagreeing that goes on here on this site on a daily basis, I think we can all agree on what you're saying here.

Not every movie needs to be some psychological trip or have some deep underlying meaning in order to be "cinema". Sometimes people just want to watch something a little more straight forward. It's all entertainment and there's a place for all of it.

Scorsese has always come across to me as a self-important, contentious prick when he talks about what cinema is.

And like you, I have a big love and respect for his movies. But let's also not pretend like he hasn't made several movies in the same genre telling essentially the same story.

Ever since he started crying about super hero movies its really just felt like he's mad about how much money they make, and that he can't pull that kind of money anymore. In fact, he never could.
IronSpider101
IronSpider101 - 10/30/2023, 3:18 PM
@Variant - I think you're correct that any genre can be cinema and that it would be asinine to say that just because something is based on a comic book superhero it can't be. Or that something primarily intended to entertain that is not cinema. That's a wrong perspective and if that's what he was saying, he'd be surely in the wrong.

But he IS talking about Marvel. And he IS right in that case. Marvel, DC, this whole last decade of films are not cinema. They're exactly what he said they were. They're theme park rides. You go, you have a certain set of expectations for what you think the experience will be, you rate the experience on how well it did or didn't live up to those expectations, you dispose of it as soon as it's digested. These movies are made by the studio first and the primary goal is to expand the brand.

The difference is very noticeable. Look alone at how different something like Spider-Verse or Joker are from the rest of them. Personal taste aside, it's clear those movies have ambitions that are more than just

"We need to introduce Skippy doo because we have to set up the Young Avengers storyline"

These movies have been heartless and soulless for a while, but they're fun distractions every so often. Like a theme park ride.
IronSpider101
IronSpider101 - 10/30/2023, 3:21 PM
@CorndogBurglar - The difference is that even when Scorsese is repeating himself, he's trying new things with the material or trying to push it. He's never telling the same story or following the same beats, it's like he's trying to figure something out and taking multiple swings at it.

The MCU refuses to have any unbroken 5 minutes of quiet or talk. Someone at all times needs to be there to crack an unfunny joke or blow something up. God forbid there be a moment of sincerity.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 10/30/2023, 4:15 PM
@IronSpider101 - I agree with everything you just said. I'm certainly not here to say all the MCU stuff is good or done well. It isn't.

But that's a bit of a different conversation. You can't say an entire genre of films isn't cinema, regardless of how many films in that genre are good or bad.
Equivocal
Equivocal - 10/31/2023, 12:12 AM
@Variant -

I have to agree with you 100% - you are correct !

the thing is, scorcece is just jealous that he can not pull that kind of box office success with his movies, he has some awesome movies, but to be honest, hi kinda makes the kind of movies all the time, if his mob movies were entertaining, probably more people would go to see them, but like a said before; he's jealous of global box office success, after all
he is Not Steven Spielberg !

GhostDog
GhostDog - 10/30/2023, 10:07 AM
It really isn't that deep but film twitter is full of folks who take everything too damn personal so...
Origame
Origame - 10/30/2023, 10:11 AM
Yup. This old man's comments that aren't even aimed at any movie in particular continue to just live rent free in their heads.

And what's worse is this is from the russo's. You'd think they of all would just let their films do the talking, but I guess they gotta get lumped into the pile 🙄
regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 10/30/2023, 10:12 AM
Scorcese still living rent free.
Fogs
Fogs - 10/30/2023, 11:00 AM
@regularmovieguy - wait isn't that the opposite?
Drace24
Drace24 - 10/30/2023, 12:19 PM
@regularmovieguy - Excuse me, who keeps attacking Marvel for years now? Atleast Russo was only joking.
regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 10/30/2023, 1:49 PM
@Drace24

He was literally asked about them in an interview and gave his honest opinion. I'm not sure why Marvel fans are so up in arms over this.

I like these movies and don't really think he's wrong in anything he's said.
Origame
Origame - 10/30/2023, 1:56 PM
@regularmovieguy - yeah. The specific question was even just asking for him to elaborate on what he meant back then.
Drace24
Drace24 - 10/30/2023, 2:37 PM
@regularmovieguy - So he just had to fire petty shots at his collegues? How does that make sense?
Enough already. You can write all the essays you want convincing yourself how completely innocent and secretely brilliant he is, but none of this is new or unfamiliar. He is cranky because he has lost his relevance so he does what boomers do and makes semi-coherent rants about the things kids are into these days. That's it.
Superheromoviefan
Superheromoviefan - 10/30/2023, 10:13 AM
do people really complain about russos joke?
AnthonyVonGeek
AnthonyVonGeek - 10/30/2023, 10:14 AM
Oh look rich entitled people fighting….
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