After INFINITY WAR's Death Toll, Where Can The Russos Go In AVENGERS 4?

After INFINITY WAR's Death Toll, Where Can The Russos Go In AVENGERS 4?

To say that the directing team of Joe and Anthony Russo backed themselves into a corner after the shocking events of Avengers: Infinity War would be quite the understatement. But...there are options!

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By MarkJulian - May 26, 2018 12:05 PM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Infinity War
"You should have gone for the head."

"I finally rest. And watch the sun rise on a grateful universe."

After many years of build-up, Avengers: Infinity War ends with Thanos triumphant and 50% of the galaxy's population wiped out.  Are they truly dead or trapped inside the Soul Stone? What did Doctor Strange view in his many glimpses of the future that resulted in Thanos' defeat? Click the next button below to check out some theories on what might lead to the salvation of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

10. Captain Marvel

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The most obvious route. 

The stinger for Infinity War clearly set up the introduction of Brie Larson's Captain Marvel and positioned her as a powerful enough force that she alone, could tip the scales in The Avengers' favor.  With a solo film set for release prior to Avengers 4, many questions will have to be answered regarding Carol Danvers' whereabouts in the MCU. 

Is she in the quantum realm, off-world or locked away in some high-security S.H.I.E.L.D. facility?  There are a lot of options in play and with Kevin Feige stating that the Marvel Cinematic Universe will retcon Danvers' comic book origins into the MCU's most powerful hero, who knows what additional abilities she will wield. 

How Danvers' imminent arrival counter the apparent death of so many prominent heroes remains to be seen.

09. Adam Warlock

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In the original comic book storyline, Adam Warlock played a huge role in Thanos' ambitious plans and eventual defeat as a deft wielder of the Soul Gem.  Warlock's MCU arrival was teased at the end of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 and many fans assumed he would show up in Infinity War. 

Director James Gunn quickly debunked that assumption and even took thing a step further, insinuating that fans shouldn't necessarily expect Warlock to show up in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 or Avengers 4. Gamora's manifestation inside the Soul Stone was eerily similar to Warlock's role in the comics and a potential indicator that Avengers 4 might follow course.  

08. The Villains Get The Job Done

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Will the MCU be saved by its greatest villains?

Though a prominent trope of the MCU for a number of years was that Marvel films always kill of their villains, there are actually a large number of them still around.  Red Skull. Dormammu and Kaecilius. Mordo.  Possibly Hela. Technically, Abomination is still imprisoned somewhere and who knows what the fate of Ghost will be by the end of Ant-Man and the Wasp. 

Heck, if there's a chance the Vision could return without his Infinity Stone, there's also a possibility that all of Ultron's programming wasn't completely wiped out or that some of it made its way off world.  Seeing the bad guys ride in to save the day where The Avengers failed would certainly be an interesting way to close out Phase 3, setting up The Dark Avengers for Phase 4.

07. The Living Tribunal


Generally speaking, there's nothing stronger in the Marvel Universe than the Living Tribunal, the cosmetic entity whose job is to maintain the balance of the universe.  Could he/it take offense to Thanos doing his job for him? Does the Living Tribunal even exist in the MCU?

With the Russo Bros. eschewing Mistress Death as a motivator for Thanos, should fans take that as an indication that all of the higher-level, Marvel cosmic entities are viewed as too complex or geeky for cinema screens?

06. Nebula

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Going back to the original Infinity Gauntlet comic book, Nebula was eventually able to get her hands on the Infinity Gauntlet after Thanos chose to ascend to a higher plane of existence.  Nebula proved to be not as skilled as Thanos in wielding the Infinity Gauntlet and was ultimately tricked into undoing Thanos' "balancing of the universe" before losing the Infinity Gauntlet altogether. 

Karen Gillan has previously stated that she was completely caught off guard by how important Nebula's role is in the MCU which has led many observant fans to believe that Avengers 4 will play out in a fashion similar to the comics.

05. Eon /Quasar

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Designated the Protector of the Universe by Eon - an incredibly powerful cosmic entity, Quasar succeeds Mar-vell in the role.  The Protector of the Universe is charged with nurturing all sentient life in the cosmos, making him something of a direct counter to Thanos and his nihilistic philosophies.

Eon's champion draws his powers from the Quantum Bands, which bestow its wearer with an incredible array of abilities.  The only Protector of the Universe who held this title without the Quantum Bands was Mar-vell. 

It's theorized that the MCU's version of Carol Danvers will become much more powerful than her comic book counterpart because she'll receive both Mar-vell's powers AND the Quantum Bands. 

04. The Infinity Gauntlet

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Obviously, if the Infinity Gauntlet can be used to wipe out 50% of the universe's population, it should certainly be capable of restoring it.  Of course, the problem with that is the Infinity Gauntlet was seemingly damaged beyond repair after Thanos snaps his fingers. 

That might seem like an insurmountable problem but there are actually two solutions.  The mold for the Infinity Gauntlet was briefly glimpsed in Eitri's workshop so it's not hard to imagine him crafting a second one. 

The other possibility is the Time Stone.  Just as Thanos rewound time to thwart Vision's destruction, if the remaining Avengers can locate and wrest the Time Stone away from the Mad Titan, they should be able to rewind time around the Gauntlet and use it a second time to undo Thanos' cosmic destruction.

03. The Celestials

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In the original Infinity Gauntlet comic book, the disappearance of 50% of the universe's population causes some serious cosmic heavy-hitters to seek out the cause. Those gathered to oppose Thanos include Galactus, Epoch, and a few Celestials. 

While Galactus is still off the table until the Fox merger is finalized, it's certainly still possible that a few Celestials confront Thanos. 

The first Guardians of the Galaxy film confirmed that the Celestials were the original wielders of the Infinity Stones so it stands to reason that they might want them back, especially if they view Thanos as unworthy of using them.   


02. Thanos


"What did it cost?"

"Everything."

Who better to stop Thanos than Thanos?  If you've read any of the Marvel comics featuring the Mad Titan as a central villain, you'll discover that the all-powerful baddie is often his own worst enemy. 

In the original Infinity Gauntlet comic book, Adam Warlock was able to convince Thanos that deep within his subconscious, he felt unworthy to wield such awesome power.  This deep revelation led Thanos to embark on a quest to undo all of the destruction that he had just unleashed.  Infinity War did not see Adam Warlock make his MCU debut but Gamora appears to be playing a fairly similar role in the saga as something of an emissary of the Soul Stone.  Will Avengers 4 see Gamora convince her surrogate father to atone for his actions? 

01. The X-Men/Fantastic Four

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There's literally no chance of this happening (outside of reshoots) but a fan can dream. Doctor Strange makes a habit of traveling to alternate realities so might one of those realms contain the mighty Marvel mutants?

If Fox and Disney are confident that the deal will be completed despite Comcast's persistence, perhaps they'll agree to a second deal that allows the X-Men and/or Fantastic Four to be introduced sooner than what everyone expects?

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BillWonka
BillWonka - 5/26/2018, 12:56 PM
Isn’t there a Living Tribunal reference in Dr. Strange?
HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 5/26/2018, 1:02 PM
@BillWonka - yes
lvcl
lvcl - 5/27/2018, 4:51 AM
I think that if AVENGERS need to travel in time to defeat THANOS...

Avengers + Time Travel = KANG THE CONQUEROR

SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 5/26/2018, 1:03 PM
The general audience isn't stupid. All the post gauntlet deaths will become undone. The biggest mystery is if Heimdall, Loki, Gamora, and Vision will remain dead.

And then the deaths after the time traveling will stand permanent. Which I'm betting will be Captain America. And that will be done by Crossbones since he was spotted on set and the team will not be able to reverse time or resurrect him due to the time stone being destroyed.
HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 5/26/2018, 1:06 PM
@SonOfAGif - Vision will become White Vision. This is heavily foreshadowed/hinted at.

I think Loki, Heimdall, and Gamora will remain dead.
Asturgis
Asturgis - 5/26/2018, 2:21 PM
@HeavyMetal4Life - "Gamora will remain dead."

That is literally impossible. Guardians 3 is planned for phase 4, and there are no Guardians without Gamy. She will either be back in Avengers 4, at the end when Thanos dies (after all, he loves her, his death could be the required sacrifice), or when the Soul Stone cracks. That, or they will try to bring her back, and succeed, in Guardians 3, but there is no way GotG will continue without Gamora.
IKidYouNotMan
IKidYouNotMan - 5/26/2018, 2:23 PM
@Asturgis - I thought like this at first but it’s not out of the question that it’s about them dealing with the loss of Gamora? Family mourning and all that.
HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 5/26/2018, 3:32 PM
@Asturgis - I don't necessarily agree with that. First, Saldana has hinted that her run with Marvel is done after Avengers 4 (she essentially said goodbye to playing the role and said it was an honor to play a female character that so many young women can look up to). Also, I think that it would be a really important and great arc for Quill to struggle with her death.

But we shall see!
MitchConner
MitchConner - 5/27/2018, 7:07 AM
@HeavyMetal4Life - Her death made sense to me, they are beginning to film Avatar 2,3,4 now, so she’s about to be very busy, not saying Marvel made a schedule around the potential filming of Avatar movies (lol), but Zoey may have encouraged not coming back once it was said and done
DVonShakari
DVonShakari - 5/26/2018, 1:03 PM
What's the point of writing this article when we already know that the sequel is already written and most of it, besides reshoots, have been filmed?
Slow news day?
bropous
bropous - 5/26/2018, 1:45 PM
@DVonShakari - You been around here long?
DVonShakari
DVonShakari - 5/26/2018, 2:01 PM
@bropous - lol. for a few years.

bropous
bropous - 5/27/2018, 7:31 AM
@DVonShakari - lol, I just mean t that we get these kind of articles a lot around here. Good on ya.
OmegaDaGrodd
OmegaDaGrodd - 5/26/2018, 1:09 PM


Kevwebsz
Kevwebsz - 5/26/2018, 1:10 PM


MrCamw1
MrCamw1 - 5/26/2018, 1:13 PM
The One Above All could save us!! Also I too had the theory the villains could help (specifically Surtur and Dormammu). Also I hope they eventually bring in The Sentry/Void.
bropous
bropous - 5/26/2018, 1:46 PM
@MrCamw1 - Oh, hells to the YES to bringing in The Sentry!!!!
MrCamw1
MrCamw1 - 5/26/2018, 1:59 PM
@bropous -
Origame
Origame - 5/26/2018, 4:44 PM
@MrCamw1 - Surtur is dead. He died with Asgard. He specifically says that in the beginning of the movie.
IronGenesis
IronGenesis - 5/26/2018, 1:16 PM
I think the most interesting option would be for THANOS to turn “good” and try to undo what he has done. Perhaps not able to live with Gamoras death or simply seeing that wiping out half the pop did not bring about the “peace” he thought.
Origame
Origame - 5/26/2018, 4:45 PM
@IronGenesis - I don't know. It'd be hard to do that without making your massive cast seem pointless. Also just hard to think of how an entire movie can work with that premise.
MrCamw1
MrCamw1 - 5/26/2018, 1:17 PM
Also was it the Age of Ultron comic where Wolverine and Sue Storm travelled to a different timeline to stop Ultron?? My point being with everyone crying "fake death"(more specifically John Campea) they all really did die and the survivors should still be from that timeline and ultimately die/be erased from existence because the new timeline Avengers arent the original. (Who remember when Wolverine killed his future self because he was burdened with how his timeline went)???
OmegaDaGrodd
OmegaDaGrodd - 5/26/2018, 1:58 PM
@MrCamw1 - If time travel is involved, I really hope it involves traveling to text future and the past, that way we could get something similar to those Avengers comics right after INFINITY where they keep jumping into the future and losing a member along the way
MrCamw1
MrCamw1 - 5/26/2018, 2:02 PM
@OmegaDaGrodd - I haven't read Infinity but if that's the case I'm in.
Origame
Origame - 5/26/2018, 4:46 PM
@MrCamw1 - No one's saying fake deaths (no one who's paying attention anyway). We're saying they're weak because they will be reversed.
MrCamw1
MrCamw1 - 5/26/2018, 5:21 PM
@Origame - I think it can still be emotional if they play on the fact that the surviving members timeline death people no longer exist and the survivors disappear from existence from the change to a new world. (Let me know of that sounds right to you even I'm not sure I said what I meant)
Origame
Origame - 5/26/2018, 5:36 PM
@MrCamw1 - I'm sorry, I'm horribly confused by the scenario you described. It sounds like, through time travel, all the people who survived Infinity War will die and all the snap victims will be brought back. So...it's exactly the same here just all the other people?
MrCamw1
MrCamw1 - 5/26/2018, 5:49 PM
@Origame - I mean completely new timeline with post snap people not being able to live in it because they're timeline is messed up. I think Legends of Tomorrows season 2 finale did the same thing except they didnt play with the emotion of going back on time to a world they dosnt belong in.
Origame
Origame - 5/26/2018, 6:00 PM
@MrCamw1 - I don't know. I'm still confused. Honestly, I don't like that time travel is playing such a role in this story. It's already incredibly complicated with all these heroes and the mythology behind it, but now their bringing in time travel which only complicates stories even further? Well, we'll wait and see I guess.
MrCamw1
MrCamw1 - 5/26/2018, 6:03 PM
@Origame - well I tried. But yes we have a while for answers. If they use time travel just this once and never again, ie destroy the stones, I think I'd be fine with that. Like you said no need to over complicate any further.
LaserKing
LaserKing - 5/26/2018, 1:18 PM
For Thanos to get the sole stone he had to trade someone he loved. I believe Nebula will be the one to sacrifice herself to get Gamora back. It has to be Gamora or Starlord.
Asturgis
Asturgis - 5/26/2018, 2:17 PM
@LaserKing - What if it's Thanos? He obviously loves Gamora. Maybe when he dies, if, he dies, at the end of 4, it will bring Gamy back.
LaserKing
LaserKing - 5/26/2018, 4:34 PM
@Asturgis - Never thought of that. Good call.
KWilly
KWilly - 5/26/2018, 1:34 PM
I'm predicting the remaining Avengers find a way to make a new gauntlet, and do the Snap again. But by doing that, it brings everyone who disintegrated back.
MitchConner
MitchConner - 5/27/2018, 7:16 AM
@KWilly - only thing that scares me about the snap that I just considered, is the fact that Fury disappeared too. We can all say yes everyone who disappeared is coming back, and some original Avengers too. However, if that is true, that means Fury comes back too, and if that is the case, RDJ will not survive and stay on as director of Shield, so all those rumors may not be true, we have no idea what will happen. If Fury had survived, and Rocket died, I would feel confident we are just about to see a switcharoo, alternate universe going forward with a happy ending for heroes. Whatever, I’m still pissed because I took my daughter to see it on her birthday and when Loki got his neck snapped she literally cried the whole movie because she loves him. Lol. Damn it Marvel! Her birthday movie!
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