Kevin Feige Says Tony Stark's AVENGERS: ENDGAME Death Will Stick: We [Won't] Touch That Moment Again

Kevin Feige Says Tony Stark's AVENGERS: ENDGAME Death Will Stick: "We [Won't] Touch That Moment Again"

Marvel Studios May Have Turned To AVENGERS: ENDGAME Writers To Help Shape The Troubled Multiverse Saga
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Spock0Clock - 5/13/2019, 3:08 AM
I think the way the Russos intend for time travel/multiverse stuff to work is that the timeline is a little bit "flexible", but "major" changes create new distinct realities.

Tony and Steve giving Howard Stark a hug and stealing some Pym Particles doesn't necessarily create a whole new universe (Howard shrugs off the encounter and Pym makes more particles). But Loki escaping is a major event, therefore a new reality.

Essentially, a butterfly flapping its wings doesn't do shit, but give that butterfly a rocket launcher and causality notices.
Spock0Clock - 5/13/2019, 3:11 AM
Also, I'd love for "Cap's Universe" to be a persistent thing. Someone like Captain Britain or the Exiles could visit this utopia where Steve Rogers had personally shaped the history of the world for the past 70 years.
Spock0Clock - 5/13/2019, 3:16 AM
@LordCipher - Then you can quickly end up with an infinite multitude of universes that are essentially the same (which may be how reality actually works, but in a fictional context it can rapidly degrade what makes the characters unique and special if they've got legions of nigh-duplicates in the multiverse out there).
dracula - 5/13/2019, 3:21 AM
@Spock0Clock - There is always the possibility that MCU's time travel follows the rules of Hypertime from DC.
DoubleD - 5/13/2019, 4:48 AM
@Spock0Clock - Not a fan of time travel or multiverse's. People that died are noting but ghost in Multiverses. It's like looking at old video or pictures of things they did when their alive.

Multiverse is looking at ghost and to many loop holes and head scratching but ?
Spagett - 5/13/2019, 3:24 AM
Still not totally sold on Sam as Cap. I feel like Sebastian Stan was being groomed since 2011 and they changed their minds.
dracula - 5/13/2019, 3:27 AM
@Spagett - yeah, they had so many moments of potential forshadowing

seriously why keep giving him the shield, then give it to another guy
bkmeijer2 - 5/13/2019, 3:53 AM
@Spagett - I also am not totally sold. Sam might have the same ideology as Steve, but Bucky obviously has the same fighting style. It makes more sense that the one with the same ideology get's the mantle, but he should know how to use the shield
Kumkani - 5/13/2019, 5:27 AM
@MalseMarcel - Bucky doesn't really have the same fighting style as Cap (his is mostly based around Systema). But Cap is more than just fighting skills. It's about the ideology and what he chose to fight for: freedom.

Sam having the same ideology as Steve is what matters the most. I don't understand how we've had Cap as character for 7 years and we all of a sudden think everything special about Cap "came out of a bottle."

Bucky never embodied this. He's damaged goods and even though it's not his fault, he just is. Bucky never understood the value of strength because unlike Steve he was never weak. Sam being an ordinary man in the midst of super soldiers and high profile assassins fits this idea way better.
OmegaDaGrodd - 5/13/2019, 5:44 AM
@DnA - great points, and I think it's also important to point out Bucky doesn't even seem like he wants to fight for anything anymore. The look on his face in Wakanda when Tchalla brings him the arm is a look of pure disgust and preemptive regret
bkmeijer2 - 5/13/2019, 5:54 AM
@DnA - Those are some solid points and really just make sense, but with fighting style I meant that Bucky knows how to use the shield better than Sam.
Reeds2Much - 5/13/2019, 6:40 AM
@DnA - Sam being an ordinary man in the midst of super soldiers

Sam didn't become Falcon in the midst of super soldiers, he was running recon and rescue missions with the wings well before he ever met Steve. He was the super soldier until he met actual super soldiers.
dracula - 5/13/2019, 3:30 AM
Hopefully Kevin Feige has a good plan for the next story, it can be very difficult to continue something once you reach the endgame.Look at tv show that go on longer than originally planned 9 out of 10 times they turn to crap.
dracula - 5/13/2019, 3:34 AM
Hopefully Marvel keeps more villains alive, at this rate, we will never see any version of the Masters Of Evil

we have Zemo and Abomination, but everyone else is either dead or havent been introduced, and no point in intoducing the enchantress anymore, Thor's trilogy is over
bkmeijer2 - 5/13/2019, 3:58 AM
@dracula - I think Ultron could also make another appearance if his presence is justified. And maybe Mac Gargan wasn't setting up the Sinister Six in that Spider-Man post-credit scene, but the Masters of Evil (since he and both the Shocker were part of that team). On top of that we also have that mysterious buyer in Civil War and Ant-Man and the Wasp and Hammer, so it can still work in some sense.

All in all, I want them to be the villains for Avengers 5
lawndart - 5/13/2019, 12:45 PM
@MalseMarcel - I don't see any reason why Ultron won't return. He could have uploaded himself in the web somewhere.
Masters of Evil would be great b-t-w, but the Enchantress would make it better.
billnye69 - 5/13/2019, 3:44 AM
Finally seen this movie, Dr Strange got ripped off. He finally shows up and gets put on Hoover Damn Duty. Just like Thor in Avengers 1 Hulk in I.W, they keep watering down the most powerful heroes.
Spock0Clock - 5/13/2019, 4:09 AM
@LordCipher - Not only that, but the Ancient One gave them the time stone because she trusted Strange's judgement that much.

That's a hell of a thing when you think about it. Fight scenes are one thing, but it's the "soft" influence that I tend to care about more.
bkmeijer2 - 5/13/2019, 4:00 AM
I'm still not convinced that the five year time jump was a good choice. We've really only seen 30 minutes of this post-snap world and I didn't really feel the consequences. That might change in the coming movies, but I feel they really should've waited 4 or 5 years with making this movie. Now that would've been shocking
Kumkani - 5/13/2019, 5:42 AM
@MalseMarcel - I think five years was just a bit too much. It seems like they chose five only thinking about Morgan Stark's age and nothing else really. Every other plot point could have worked using a minimum of two years.

Now other movies have to deal with this five year gap. Five years is a long time.
bkmeijer2 - 5/13/2019, 5:53 AM
@DnA - I got that feeling too. Probably all movies between now and 2023 all take place in 2023 and maybe 2024 (I don't expect any movie to be completely set in this 5 year gap)
Deonox - 5/13/2019, 12:44 PM
@MalseMarcel - They've already adressed that we'll be seeing the ramifications of the snap in the movies moving forward. Especially Spiderman Far from Home.
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