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I, myself, am very excited about the new Batman film but, at times, struggle to see the logic in many of the ideas of villians for the new film. Some seem to forget the world that the Nolans have created and the fact that villians such as Killer Croc will just not work.

Editorial Opinion
By Slain83 - Jul 13, 2010 08:07 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman

I know people are longing for the Jokers' return and many are calling for the role to be recast. It won't be. Nolan has made that clear. So, without trying to repubblish others ideas and just give my own, I will attemp to put a number of logical possibilitys across that, in my eyes at least, would work.


1. The Joker

Nolan has stated that he won't do the Joker again. What is possible, if fans need the kick of a clown face so bad, are the Joker gangs that mimic what the Joker did and become his unoffical follows. Much in the same light that in The Dark Knight you had people mimicing Batman and dressing like him to show support i think that it could work both ways. Where now Batman has gangs to deal with because the Joker has put the idea in their heads and given them a cult direction.


2. The Villian/s

Like I said at the top, Killer Croc won't work in this world, niether would Mr Freeze or Poison Ivy. I would never have really put Joker in Nolans world of realisitic villians, or two face for that matter, but the guy made it work believably and rather well. Penguin is something i would like to see but as a mob boss pulling the strings trying to unite the groups that have been now left realiativly leaderless and control the group to line his own pocket. Not a fish loving, black blooded fella with his own clowns. I would like to see Bane. not the Bane from the comics but someone who is militarty trained and has a couple of mercenaries with him, hired by the Penguin to flush out the Batman. The vemon infused fella won't work here but you need someone big and imposing and i could think of no one better than Gerrad Butler to take that roll. He is big and mean and you could believe he could brake the Bat. The Riddler has been mentioned to often. As long and he doesn't wear green spendix then i wouldn't be against the idea but we dealt with crazy in the last one. To end the trilogy then we need someone who is going to challenge the Bat in a physical way which brings me to my last point.


3. The End of the Trilogy

I would put money on Nolan killing Bruce in this one, I have a massive gut feeling. He said he has a great ending to this one and I think he will kill him. It makes sense for a number of reasons. DC can reboot the project for a Batman that could appear in the Justice League film and for crossovers to the Superman films if the public called for it. Nolans can't do that and there are not that many more Villains that will work in his world so he has to close the book. Maybe he won't kill him, maybe he will have Bane break his back like the comic and just put him out of action for good but, i think that if the public saw the death of Batman on tv or witnessed it then they would unite to fight the mob out of their city, pushing the Penguin to move city and Bane behind bars. I don't think Batman will win in this film, I think the people have to stand up and be counted by the end. That for me would be the only way to end the film and put his world to rest.


What do you think guys and girls? This is my first artical so be nice please.

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InSpace
InSpace - 7/13/2010, 8:16 AM
Dude Killer Croc could work just look at Brian Azzarello"s Joker Comic


And Venom could work as a "Super" Steroid.

vonstallin
vonstallin - 7/13/2010, 8:31 AM
I like the idea of Bane....
take the juice sockets out of his neck...make it some type of experimental HGH/speed that Scarecrow made, and you can have a hit squad consisting of bane and deadshot.

But, I dont think they will let him kill batman...way to dark and it shows that evil win. The only way they could Kill batman is if he had a robin already trained and lined up to take his place so that the figure head of bats is still around.

but I like your villan plan.
AreTudaEDub
AreTudaEDub - 7/13/2010, 8:35 AM
I really feel like Batman3 should be almost scary in regards to how dark it should be. Not all elements of the movie, but when looking at Bruce Wayne we should be afraid for him. It would almost be like the story of Darth Vader in Episode 3. DON'T FOERGET THIS IS STILL SOME WHAT HIS FORMATIVE YEARS AS BATMAN. I picture him having such a dark cloud over his life, due to the loss of his Parents(Family), Rachael(His Love) , Harvey( His Hope) and somewhat Ras' (His Teacher). This kind of grief and banishment from the city of Gothem(as mentioned in TDK) makes him almost a stalker. Someone who was so important is now always on the outside looking in.

This whole persona of "stalker" makes him more emotionally involved/ invested with the criminals that he chases, and in someways, subconciously attached to them (exclusively) with a closer relationship to the underworld of Gotham than the politcal part of it. Part 3 should span over the next 5-6 years of his life and tell multiple cases of his decent into darkness (only if done clever like in an opening 10 min. narravtives). This could gives us as fan the opportunity hear about his different villians he's fought, just to know that they exist even if we don't see them. The Batman we know now is good, but "this" explaination is the Batman that the character is legendary for. It will also cement and establish his character for any JLA movie conflicts, Hal Jordan, Superman, Green Arrow.

Thalia Ghul would have to be the "major female character" because she would tie into a story without much explaination needed as she already has history in the Nolanverse due to her father Ras. I feel like having Poison Ivy or Catwoman in it would be TOO involved of a story, since we know this will close the Nolan Trilogy. The 3ird movie is supposed to bring things from the other two movies full circle....like toy story 3. Anyone agree with my point?
ThaMessenger07
ThaMessenger07 - 7/13/2010, 8:40 AM
Venom needs to be in it as a Steroid as posted above. Croc was a man with a skin condition and was a cannibal. All of these characters were once grounded in reality. Thus all can be brought back to the screen. The Mad Hatter was a pedophile. Riddler would give the movie that 7 feel. Freeze was once again a mob boss with a illness that needed him to stay in a specific temp.

Plus Nolan's "realistic" take can be easily converted into fiction. I am hoping to see 3 Villains in this film maybe more. People seem not to realize the last movie had around 4 or 5. I would love to see Bane tossed into it.
Nim
Nim - 7/13/2010, 8:41 AM
Eventhough if they killed batman it would be one of the greatest ever endings to a trilogy i just can't see the studio allowing it, more likely he'll stop or transition entirely to the dc world. On villains i agree entirely about penguin being mob boss but i was thinking they would have riddler (depp) as the hitman, public enemies style. Catwoman as the fricked up love interest or Talia
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 7/13/2010, 8:41 AM
Nice article! :) And although the death of Batman would be a fitting end to Nolan's trilogy, I dont see DC/WB letting him kill off the character on the big screen regardless of whether they're planning a reboot! Personally, with Nolan in charge of the next Superman movie, I think it's likely that his and Bale's Batman will indeed be a part of the bigger DC Universe they're making.
bladerunner
bladerunner - 7/13/2010, 8:44 AM
Batman 3 is set up to borrow heavily from "The Dark Knight Returns." Batman is on the run, politicians call in a specialist (not Superman, but Bane, Deadshot, or a team), meanwhile Batman has to fight a new threat (gangs or new villian) and by now, the Batcave should be ready, so he could fake his death at the end, go into hiding in the cave, and start training the new generation to keep the peace in Gotham.
That being said, I'm sure the Nolan bros will come up with something more creative and original. I really like the idea of the citizens of Gotham having to step up to the plate and retake their city.
RyKnow
RyKnow - 7/13/2010, 8:45 AM
@ Inspace - I was thinking the exact same thing. In Brian Azzarello's Joker, Killer Croc's portrayed as a cannibalistic african-american with a skin condition. THAT would work in Nolan's universe. The idea for the Joker in The Dark Knight actually came from the same book.

Sigmax
Sigmax - 7/13/2010, 8:46 AM
If Scarecrow can exist, a version of Poison Ivy can as well, slightly modified but still plausible.
The idea of Bane is doable using some type of super steroid (if all the gadgets they come up with and all the stuff Scarecrow made...they can make a super steroid).
Not really seeing a Catwoman existing in the Nolanverse though.
The Riddler does seem the most likely candidate as there would not have to be that much adjustment to the character as a whole to make him work in the story.
Shazz (who we saw in the first Nolan movie walking out of the cell) could be a choice.
Penguin....like the idea of being a mob boss and no fishy taste, but why would he be called Penguin if only because he is short fat and wobbles, why not call him Weeble Wobble Man.
Croc is one villan that while I would love to see, Nolan won't do.
Deadshot would be a great villan in my opinion.
The guy with the ventriliquist dummy (sorry mind fart can't remember name), could be made, possible teaming with Shazz, instead of the silly crazy ventriliquist dummy, it could be a veery sick and twisted one.
My last vote would be a Toyman type character.
That's all for me. laters
ElBicho
ElBicho - 7/13/2010, 8:58 AM
@Slain

Great Article! Couldn't agree more that it should end with the death, or back being broken and training the new Batman.
Deathlok
Deathlok - 7/13/2010, 8:58 AM
I don't see Batman getting killed off in the next movie. We've heard several times from Nolan that his movies exist in a time when Batman is still just starting out. The Joker mentioned in the last film that they were destined to keep fighting each other. I think the biggest idea behind Nolan's movies is the developement of Batman and how he becomes the brooding dark knight that we all know and love. In the last film we saw Batman become the villain in the end because he was the only one who could accept that role after the death of Harvey. I think the next film will deal with the public acceptance of Batman and solidify him as a figurehead in Gotham. The trilogy will end with us knowing that Batman is there to stay and he will be recognized as a savior for the city. Dare I say it, a caped crusader?
RyKnow
RyKnow - 7/13/2010, 9:03 AM
I'd prefer fresh material/themes for the next film. No Arkham Asylum or Talia Al Ghul as this was all in Batman Begins. Granted, it wasn't Talia in Batman Begins but it was her Dad which means the "new" film would be going over familiar territory. No Joker recasting or resurrecting Two-Face, again it's regurgitated material from a previous film. It needs to be fresh, original and something you won't see coming.

I find it hard to see Bruce Wayne getting killed off actually. You can end the trilogy without the main guy having to die. It'll probably be Batman gaining redemption and Gotham accepting him as a presence who will always be there through foiling whatever evil plan the villain(s)are trying to see through lol.

Good article though.
AreTudaEDub
AreTudaEDub - 7/13/2010, 9:05 AM
@Deathlok I agree I like your point...but isn't he more so an anti-hero. I feel like Superman would more so want to garner the celebrity of being a "savior to the city". Bats is a recluse.

@Slain83 Batman dying I could see that as well. Only if this film doesn't involve his formative years and takes place in the future after his career is coming to a close.
fullmoonfx
fullmoonfx - 7/13/2010, 9:06 AM
KIllER CROC can work, as a ex navy seal, who has been discharged after some sort of cannibalistic post traumatic stress syndrome.and now he lives in the sewers,teeth filed to points, as an asassin for hire.
Amalgam
Amalgam - 7/13/2010, 9:13 AM
I have to agree with RyKnow; it needs to be fresh and DC (and the general public) is not ready for a death of Bruce Wayne knid of thing.

When it comes to the Villans, well I just trust the Nolans and Goyer with the script and direction. Batman has to be redeemed in this film. Gotham once again has to trust in Batman because he's pure.
MatchesMalone
MatchesMalone - 7/13/2010, 9:26 AM
1.) Well, we know it won't be the Joker. I do like the idea of the Joker gangs, but more as an opening action scene rather than the main villians, akin to the beginning of the Dark Knight with Scarecrow and the Russians.

2.) I think MOST of Batman's rogues gallery could be adapted to Nolan's "realistic" universe with slight changes. I honestly don't care who the villian is as long as they get the character right and we have an engaging story.

3.) I'm sorry, but Warner Brothers would NEVER allow Batman to be killed in a movie. It works in the comics as a plot device, but the nature of comic book story telling is more conducive to killing a character off and bringing him/her back a year or even years later.

4.) And teabag, that is the only way it should end!

scurvydog
scurvydog - 7/13/2010, 9:27 AM
Would Amanda Waller/Checkmate/Suicide Squad work in a Nolan sequel? If they're called Task Force X.maybe... Anarky would be seen as retreading TDK,Clayface would be AWESOME,but that character doesn't exactly fit,either. Azrael? NOW we're getting somewhere...Esspecially if it was Ra's pulling his strings....
imnotwearinghockeypants
imnotwearinghockeypants - 7/13/2010, 9:28 AM
Whatever they do, they need to fix Bale's cancer throated Batman voice. So distracting. Do it again and it'll be a huge problem for the movie.
InFamouslyCool
InFamouslyCool - 7/13/2010, 9:49 AM
nolan can make anything work.

Gerrad Butler's someone "big and imposing"?! and there's no one better?!? ahahahahahahahaha
Deathlok
Deathlok - 7/13/2010, 9:51 AM
@AreTudaEDub I see what you're saying. I didn't mean it in the sense that everyone will see him as a savior, especially not like Superman. The public opinion of him is much like Spider-Man. You either love him or hate him. I think of it more in the sense that the bat signal will make a comeback, more people will recognize that he's a good guy, and of course Gordon will always have his back.

On another note, I see the villain(s) in the next film being the Riddler and/or Penguin. These are the most popular and most plausible choices, unless they go with less commonly known villains.
preacher
preacher - 7/13/2010, 9:51 AM
I myself would love to see "The Cult" storyline. And it would work for Nolan's universe. As far as Killer Croc goes, yeah, he could work, as so many others have stated previously. The skin condition, the cannibalistic tendencies, hiding out in the sewers...it could be freaking scary and could be better than a Bane scenario. Altho Bane could be cool too. Don't know. All's I know is that I trust Nolan to make me happy, no matter who he brings aboard as the villain. He's proven his worth twice now, so why should he fail me this time?
THEHAWK
THEHAWK - 7/13/2010, 9:52 AM
Killer Croc can easily work.

In my Batman 3 story I wrote a year ago I made him a large man with a skin condition who files his teeth to make them sharp. Through in some cannibalistic tendancies and there you go.
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elcaballerooscuro92 - 7/13/2010, 9:57 AM
dwayne johnson for bane!!!
Superzero
Superzero - 7/13/2010, 10:03 AM
How can you sit there and even THINK that killing Batman at the end of part 3 is a good idea? Really? It just boggles my mind that you think that is a good end. I honestly think that Nolan's "End" is an idea where Gotham is safe and Bruce hangs up the mantle of Batman OR Batman is accepted by the people of Gotham as a worthy protector. Nolan, unlike many directors today, has a good grip on Three Act Structure...Act One: There is a problem. The main character makes a decision based on that problem. That would be Batman Begins. Act Two: CONFLICT...by taking action on his problem the character only creates MORE problems. Everything gets Worse. The Dark Knight, along with The Empire Strikes Back, is a classic example of ACT 2 formula. ACT 2 should ALWAYS end badly. ACT 3: The Resolution. Every action taken by the main character comes full circle and the problem is solved. The solution is NOT always IDEAL for the main character but it is the ending that dictates the main characters course of action. Their actions determine the ending. Nolan is using each film as an act so logically I would believe that ACT 3 ie: Batman 3 "ends" with either Bruce bringing peace to Gotham or realizing his true Job will be a never ending personal crusade and the sacrifice of a normal life for the thing he truly loves: His City. I truly believe this will be the first comic book film to NOT suffer from the "Part 3 Curse".
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/13/2010, 10:06 AM
Black Mask would be the ideal character to take over the mob.

@ drknight

i hope thats a joke...
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/13/2010, 10:07 AM
i've heard others say they think he'll kill Bruce in this one, but i find that ridiculously hard to get behind. I can't see that happening.
Sigmax
Sigmax - 7/13/2010, 10:07 AM
I think the HUSH storyline would be make for an awesome script in Nolan's hands.
Verdugo
Verdugo - 7/13/2010, 10:10 AM
I personally don’t think Bruce is going to die. It would be bad for business; it would be like killing the hen of the golden eggs. Even if Nolan said he won’t make another Batman movie WB could do it without him.

As for the villain I would go for The Penguin and Bane.
Vital
Vital - 7/13/2010, 10:23 AM
I agree I too see crazy ass ideas and name drops, so I feel you on that one Slain83, but then again, you did it as well, Penguin as the main villian? Please. If they are gonna go out with a bang, it's gonna be with rad villians, not lame ones like The Penguin, even if he is normal. I can see him in a cameo/corrupt mayor role, but that's about it.

Bane, well as much as I like to see Batman fight bigger sized villians this time around, he's on the fence of believable. I mean, how do you pull him off without changing almost everything about him other than his size (which would also change no one is really that big good actors wise). The only good actor who is "big" is The Rock, but that'd be a terrible choice for Bane. If they did go with Bane, I wouldn't mind him being changed for the film, but rest assured, fanboys would freak the [frick] out (I mean, just look how crazy they got over Chris Evans for Cap and Norton's dismissal from Avengers). They would riot. Then again, they completely took away Scarecrow's outfit and it was awesome and no one complained, so if done correctly, and intelligently, one can pull off almost anything.

Killer Croc with the right spin could work (TheHawk and I have the exact same idea and I love it) if you took all the bells and whistles out of the picture, just a dude with a skin disorder (who happens to be huge like Bane in this Nolan world), who also likes to scare people (like the Joker did) but instead of facepaint, he sharpens his teeth, obviously making him scary and one to be reckoned with. That movie would be so eerie lol, Batman traversing the sewer systems trying to find this "bigfoot" called Killer Croc. That would be a cool side story that Batman is doing while on the run, since he can't go out in public, he is underground looking for this thing, and that part could be short too, cameos are sweet. Meanwhile, in Bruce's life, he meets Talia Al Ghul at the theatre (and The Ventriloquist and Scarface are performing on stage in the background) as Bruce is staring at her thinking "love at first sight" type of thing, and remembering the loss of Rachel etc.

I think Black Mask would be a better mob related main villian than The Penguin, he's just more intimidating, I mean, why would you listen to somebody nicknamed The Penguin (oo that's so scary lol)? Please. He's the least intimidating character next to Mad Hatter lol. I think it'd be cool to see Batman kind of "oh shit" himself seeing either Bane, Croc, or Deadshot. They all pose a physical threat, a challenge, I mean, Ras was a tough opponent and he was Bruce's size, could you imagine the crazy fight scene(s) with any of these villians? Would be mighty rad.
MatchesMalone
MatchesMalone - 7/13/2010, 10:23 AM
@Superzero- My sentiments exactly! Very well said, good sir.
AverageCitizen99
AverageCitizen99 - 7/13/2010, 10:26 AM
Nice first article!

I think it would be best if Nolan just left out the Joker, for the respect of Heath and for the film. Having the Joker come back would just feel a little like having Lex appear in all of the Superman films, only I can't see him as being a villain that would take to the sidelines as much. Though I never thought about the Joker's followers. They could be a fair ersatz for the characters and would show that even though the character isn't around that there are still people following in his philosophy.

There a villains that can work work and then there are villains that can't. Obviously, the Joker wouldn't have worked because of his backstory (which, no offense to comic fans, just felt silly and really didn't make that much sense to me). So Chris decided to go back to how the character first started out in the comics: a villain who just came out of nowhere. That sense of mystery as well as a more grounded take on his appearence showed that the character could work, and now his representation is by far the most popular next to Mark Hamil's animated stints. As mentioned above, Killer Croc could work if they were to go with Brian's look or as a simple carnie gone awry like from "Batman: Gotham Knights" and Poison Ivy could just be featured as a simple eco-terrorist without being exposed to any chemicals or having any said powers. That same route went with Ra's, who is most seen as having a supernatural background where in the film it is only subtely hinted at without being confirmed. The Riddler or Hugo Strange are the villains I could see as working the most if he had the idea of rounding up the villains together or someone finding out Bruce's connection to Batman.

The grand finale that Chris has been talking about could go anyway. It could go with Bruce going into hiding and thus having to rely on his Bruce persona for the moments on until the Batman mania cools down. By that time, DC could reboot the character and his surrounding so they could better fit in with the now shifted world of 'superheroes' like the emergences of the Green Lantern, the Flash, and Superman. And if DC ever wanted to, they could introduce Dick Grayson with Bruce's newfound silent life. By the time the reboot were to come out, he would already be trained and ready to help Batman. Chris and Christian Bale have both said that as long as they are involved they don't want see Robin in any of the films, but with this being their final collaborations with DC they could close the film with the introduction of the soon to be Boy Wonder. The 'rebirth' of Batman with his new surroundings could also give DC and Warner Bros. an excuse the use the less realistic villains.

Anyway, great first article and I hope to see more from you.
Superzero
Superzero - 7/13/2010, 10:39 AM
@ Matches: Thanks man.
I recently watched Batman Begins and The Dark Knight back to back and was overwhelmed at the "connected-ness" of them. Most CBM's don't flow quite as well as these two, the only exception I think might be Superman I and II and X-Men I and II. Nolan's Bat trilogy might go down with the original Star Wars and Lord of the Rings Trilogy.
KidDynamo0
KidDynamo0 - 7/13/2010, 10:40 AM
Here is my idea for Batman 3, a rough outline:

Movie opens with Batman still being hunted by Gotham police after Harvey's death. He goes into hiding for awhile, but can't let the city just destroy itself. He decides to keep doing the whole "Batman" thing and takes down some run of the mill bad guys. The news spreads that he is back and the Penguin (who you can keep secret at this point) hires someone to take care of this "Batman" for good.
The Penguin hires a merc from South America to come to Gotham and do some damage. This merc, Bane, is a ego-maniac who is obsessed with trophies. We find out that he is a product of an experiment gone horribly wrong (Venom serum/steroid). This steroid gives him increased size and strength and agility.
Bane comes to Gotham begins hunting Batman, and catches up to him. Bane makes a promise that he is "break him" as he feels it is some sort of trophy to bring down the Bat. Cat and mouse events go on. Bats is able to get the best of Bane once, maybe twice. However, at a certain point Bane betters Bats and he breaks Batman's back, just like in the comics.
Bats barely escapes with his life. He is out of commission while Penguin and Bane to some extent terrorize the city.
We watch as Bruce works to recover and contemplates whether being Batman is even worth it. Alfred convinces him that he must, he eventually agrees. They work on the cave and in the third act he returns. He is now stronger and smarter from his previous experiences. Batman and Bane engage, and Bats comes out on top. He shows the public that he is their true protector. He is now vindicated and is seen as a great hero of Gotham City.

BTW, during the time that Bruce is recovering you have Batman-like vigilantes trying to save their fair city from going to shit. You can have an Azreal type character, but I don't think its needed.

Thoughts?
Vital
Vital - 7/13/2010, 10:44 AM
I think Nightwing would be more possible and less cheesy compared to introducing Robin, AVERAGECITIZEN99.
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