Could Fan Speculation Hurt TDKR?

Could Fan Speculation Hurt TDKR?

In the fallout of the recent casting announcement, are the high expectations fans setting hurting the movie?

Editorial Opinion
By jamedog - Apr 19, 2011 12:04 PM EST
Filed Under: Batman

Earlier today, Warner Brothers made the official announcement over Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Marion Cotillard joining The Dark Knight Rises. Gordon-Levitt was announced as John Blake, a beat cop assigned to a special unit headed by Gordon, and Cotillard will be playing Miranda Tate, a Wayne Enterprises board member who grows close to a grieving Bruce Wayne. It didn't take long for fans to respond to this, with most predicting that Tate is really Talia in disguise and that Gordon-Levitt is being wasted in a small role. After months of rumors and speculation, we finally got an answer and most fans were not happy.

But this leads to a major issue surrounding TDKR: fan expectations. Saying that The Dark Knight Rises is one of the most anticipated comic book movies in years is a major understatement. We have all been waiting for this movie since the closing credits of The Dark Knight and now that filming is slated to start soon, speculation will only increase. Even before an official announcement there were Riddler and Harley Quinn rumors, then Black Mask, Hugo Strange, and Talia rumors. Even now rumors still swirl that Hugo Strange is still a villain in the movie. Many fans pegged Gordon-Levitt for Black Mask or Alberto Falcone and now that his role has been revealed, fans have turned on the movie.

We just set the bar too high.

Our excitement and speculation were running rampart and no matter who JGL was playing, we were setting ourselves up for a let down. But could this insane fan excitement hurt the movie? I think it very well could.

The speculation will only continue up until the opening night, especially with Christopher Nolan's love of secrecy. We're going to head into this movie with all sorts of ideas of what's going to happen and internet rumors claiming to spoil major twists. Fans will revolt if Miranda Tate is indeed just a love interest and not Talia Al Ghul, and fans will probably be disappointed to see that JGL just plays a cop (and I'm sure there will be rumors in no time stating that he's another character in disguise). If there's something comic book fans do best, it's set massive expectations for movies, only to have those expectations get shot down. But are we the only ones to blame for this? I don't think so, in fact, if fans are let down because of their massive expectations, there's one person to blame...

Christopher Nolan.

Nolan loves secrecy, he wants his audiences to know as little as possible heading into his movies, and there seems to be a lot more secrecy around TDKR than the previous two Bat-films. While I like that Nolan likes to surprise fans, it could seriously hurt him one day. Just look at what happened with fan's reactions to JGL's casting. If Nolan continues to play things this close to the chest, fans will only get more and more excited and follow more and more false leads on the movie, looking for any sort of news they can find. Armed with any sort of rumor they can find, fans will go into this movie expecting one thing and get something very different. Now I'm not saying that Nolan should tell us everything from the get go, but just give us a little bit here and there, enough to keep us happy and keep us interested.

So yes, Nolan's secrecy and the fan's rampart speculation is a double edged sword, one that must be wielded very carefully. Now personally, I think the Marion Cotillard casting is an obvious cover for her as Talia, especially with the news of a young Ras Al Ghul being in the film, but as for JGL's casting? Well, I'm strangely okay with that. I was worried that this film was straying into Spider-Man 3 territory with the villains, and I'm glad to see that Gordon-Levitt is just a supporting player. Fans are saying that it's a waste of his talent, but I'm guessing that it's a pretty important role or else Gordon-Levitt wouldn't be playing it. Maybe he's a Harvey Bullock type character out to bring in the bat, or maybe he ends up helping out the bad guys in some way.

In conclusion, Team Nolan messed up with this news. They should have announced Joseph Gordon-Levitt as this cop character right away instead of letting it sit so fans could whip themselves into a frenzy over who he was playing. As for Marion Cotillard, well it's an obvious cover for what could be one of the worst kept secrets of the movie and most likely a major twist (and I personally will be severely disappointed if she doesn't turn out to be Talia). But hopefully this will serve as a lesson to us fans about getting worked up over the smallest bit of TDKR news, and hopefully this will serve as a lesson to Team Nolan about toying with our expectations.

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Hellsing
Hellsing - 4/19/2011, 1:08 PM
i don't love nolan as much as some of you but blaming it on him no offence is just stupid. The dude doesn't have to tell you [frick]ing every thing the way some of react to nolan approach is stupid too, do you want him reveal the whole blood plot to you. Any ways no offence or anything jamedog.
LMFA0
LMFA0 - 4/19/2011, 1:28 PM
I am seriously almost fully convinced the people who LOVE these "Batman" movies could give two sh!ts if Batman was even in this movie. I mean, it seems as if people are way more focused and concerned about who he'll fight, what they will do, and how much time his villains get on screen but no one seems to care about Batman. I have heard people talk about killing him and giving him new weapons but that's about it, is that what we want? I understand that his actions are driven by the actions of the villains but come on guys
golden123
golden123 - 4/19/2011, 2:08 PM
@LMFAO: Most people only speculate on the characters and not really the story. It's because it's easier. So with that on account, we already know Batman will be in the film. They didn't, however no which villains would be showcased since that changes every movie. So people are just speculating on what is obvious and known. No need to get aggravated.
sbdc1939
sbdc1939 - 4/19/2011, 2:10 PM
Dude batman is only person that is for sure 100% in the movie. I wasnt thrilled with the anoucemnts but it doesnt really effect the movie that much i guess.
PaulRom
PaulRom - 4/19/2011, 2:28 PM
I agree Jamedog, too much anticipation can hurt some. Look at Spider-Man 3...it was incredibly anticipated before it came out, and is now considered one of the most hated CBMs of all time. Hoping that TDKR won't be the same way.
GillytheKid33
GillytheKid33 - 4/19/2011, 2:33 PM
People need to remember that they are not the ones making the film. Nolan is. He is doing what he feels best even if it isnt what fan boys like.

I am A strong Batman and Nolan supporter and as much as it would be cool to see deadshot/black mask/hugo strange/talia in this film it AINT ganna happen. Nolan knows what he is doing and people will either accept it or not.

Honestly after The Dark Knight came out and we all saw the ending I was convinced the joker was suppose to be the villian for the third. But unfortunetly that could not happen. But i also know that if Nolan didnt think he could top The Dark Knight he wouldnt have even touched a third installment.

So fan boys... SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND EXCEPT WHAT WILL BE SEEING IN THE THIRD.

Who knows, maybe Nolan will back out of this film just to stick it to us "fan boys" who [female dog] and complain about what were getting and what were not.

And @AlbertBigelowPaine, shut your mouth. Supes will not be in this film. I bet you think the Joker and Robin will be in this as well. Cry about it.
GillytheKid33
GillytheKid33 - 4/19/2011, 2:36 PM
Damn, i ment to say accept instead of except.... kinda stole my own thunder on that one.............
GillytheKid33
GillytheKid33 - 4/19/2011, 3:26 PM
@albert probably the dumbest thing i have ever heard in my life. You should probably drink gasoline and eat a lit match for your last two statements. But think what you want, im not that will be crying when supes doesnt show up...
GillytheKid33
GillytheKid33 - 4/19/2011, 4:39 PM
@albert

I usually dont give a shit about dumbass speculation, but you are clearly on drugs my friend...

1. Nolan said the two universes are not connected. Which means Batman will not be hanging out with Supes in this film. So tell your " inside source" hes a dumbass for telling you information like that.

2. Nick Cage? Really? Come on man. Hes not superman and he is deff no Thomas Wayne.

3. Lazarus Pits?!? What about a realistic world do you not understand. IF they were going to use the Pits in TDKR it would be for Ra's not Thomas Wayne. And why are you talking about the Pits like theyve been confirmed or somthing?

I dont know what the hell you are on my friend, but you clearly are nuts. Somebody lock this kid up in Arkham because hes a danger to planet earth with ideas like these.
BigK1337
BigK1337 - 4/19/2011, 4:47 PM
@GillytheKid33 You do know thhat AlbertBigelowPaine is trolling you, right?

I mean, didn't you see the signs? Nicolas Cage as Superman? Even if Superman would be in the movie, it would make more sence to have Cavill as the Man of Steel.

Plus you have to be that stupid or ignorant to take what he said seriously.
BigK1337
BigK1337 - 4/19/2011, 4:51 PM
@mbembet . . . . . So, you are saying Christian Bale is a better Batman than Kevin Conroy?

Wow, even though I am starting to grew tired of Nolan's ideas of a realistic world for super heroes (since I feel that is too much of an oxymoron); I am getting freaking anoyed by Nolan radicals who thinks everything Nolan does with super heroes is gold.
GillytheKid33
GillytheKid33 - 4/19/2011, 4:56 PM
No i understand @BigK. I think all the Bat speculation today has finally made me crack. I dont usually go off but trolls like @albert deserve to be put down for dumbass statements like the ones that he has been writing today.
BigK1337
BigK1337 - 4/19/2011, 5:09 PM
@albert True; and the worst part is, they are all obvious.

Well at least I know that you are aware and have a vital reason for going off like that; the way you worded it makes me think you wasn't.
captainam86
captainam86 - 4/19/2011, 5:33 PM
What's with the phrase playing things close to the chest I never even heard anyone say it before Harvey dent in tdk and I've seen it in like 100 articles ever since
mainstream05
mainstream05 - 4/19/2011, 6:41 PM
Accusing Christopher Nolan of raising fan expectations unreasonably high is ridiculous and absurd. Who's responsible for the rampant, unfounded speculations/expecatations? The fans who make them! I saw one guy go on a rant about the number of villains, listing off people that weren't confirmed or even rumored.

Think about it: who started the rumors that Deadshot would be in the film? Fans. It didn't come from any inside source or anything like that - someone just thought Deadshot would fit in Nolan's universe and that snowballs into "Deadshot better be in this movie!"

Nolan doesn't even own a cell phone according to an LA Times article. Do you really think this guy's sifting through message boards and taking glee in watching people make up shit and then [female dog] when their predictions aren't accurate? Is that his job? The answer is no.

Speculation can be fun. Getting upset over expectations versus reality? That's just stupid.
fattieacid
fattieacid - 4/19/2011, 7:19 PM
Hey as much as i want talia and falcone, if they arnt in the movie i wouldnt care, i know Nolan is going to make a sick ass movie
jokerking
jokerking - 4/20/2011, 1:39 AM
@gillythekid33-thegoddamnsupermanguy
well spoken guys, whilst ilove the next tidbit of info as the next guy im not gonna be dissapointed till nolan lets us down by having the credits role and its a shit film. (or if superman is added,AlbertBigelowPaine you are an idiot) i trust nolan and would honestly be concerned if we had spiderman 3 syndrome and every villain out there was in this film. people need to stop making this film for nolan, if they think they can make a better film DO IT! ive made short films they are hard and incredible tasks, there is a reason every fanboy out there is not in charge of comic book movies
up2late
up2late - 4/20/2011, 3:45 AM
To the best of my knowledge, the viral marketing (gotham times, etc) hasn't even started for TDKR yet. Once that starts up, the fanboys will be in a frenzy. It's too early right now to talk about expectations. Nolan and company will build this movie up like they did Dark Knight.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 4/20/2011, 10:22 AM
@ LMFAO

people speculate about who is in the movie because everyone already knows Batman will be in it. So of course everyone wants to know who the villain will be, and what will happen with the villain.

The villain in the movies are what drive the whole story. If you didn't have the villain, then you wouldn't have the story.

So yes, the villain is actually just as important, if not more so, than Batman himself.
PapaEmeritus
PapaEmeritus - 4/20/2011, 10:30 AM
People forget that with Nolan, a character is never JUST a character...
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 4/20/2011, 10:32 AM
also, in no way will fan speculation hurt this movie. everyone will be in line to see it just like the last one. The last one did too well, and too many people liked it (including the general audience). to think this one will be hurt by fan speculation is a little crazy.
canadianturd
canadianturd - 4/20/2011, 10:51 AM
@captainam86, it's a common phrase, but you're right, it's been overused on these threads.
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