Evaluating Possible Batman 3 Villains

Evaluating Possible Batman 3 Villains

Mark Millar posted on his twitter he knows the villains to Batman 3. Assuming we take him at his word, I am going to evaluate to likeliness of several of Batman's more interesting Rogues to appear in the Nolanverse!

Editorial Opinion
By MidKnight35 - Oct 04, 2010 12:10 PM EST
Filed Under: Batman
Source: Twitter

Mark Millar recently posted on his Twitter he knows the villains to Batman 3. Thanks to JoshW's article, many of us fanboys became enthusiastic of the possible villains. Assuming of course Millar is telling the truth, (which he very well could not be) I decided I would evaluate the possible villains that could fit into Batman 3.

Millar posted on his twitter:

"Oh, wait. Con gossip: I know who the villain(s) are in Batman 3 and the big scene outside Gotham sounds awesome. Totally timely locale."

"One of the villains is from my favourite childhood run on the character. Again, very unexpected."

So this information confirms there will be multiple villains. One of this villains he states is from his favorite childhood runs. Millar is 40 years old currently. This places the run he talks about anywhere between ages 8-16. So this character probably had a good story line somewhere between the years 1977 and 1985.

Millar also states the character is unexpected, which leads to various assumptions. He could mean maybe this villain has super powers, something VERY unexpected because of the realism and tone of Nolan's movies. It also may be unexpected because maybe Nolan has lied to us on his views of certain villains and their roles in a film. Along with those many other assumptions could also be made some more farfetched than others.

So taking this information I have compiled a list of villains and how reasonable we may see them sometime in the future on the big screen.

Lets start with villains we have already seen in the first two movies.

Scarecrow:



Likeliness: Low

We've already seen him twice. A third would be repetitive. Don't get me wrong I loved Cillian Murphy as Scarecrow in the first two movies but its time for some fresh faces. An appearance in Arkham may be all we get of Scarecrow if we do see him again.

Mr.Zsasz:



Likeliness: Low

Mr.Zsasz first appeared in 1992, well after Millar's childhood. Zsasz fits in Nolan's universe well but don't see him fitting into the current series of events following the Dark Knight. Much like Scarecrow an appearance of Zsasz is more likely to take place in Arkham.

Ra's Al Ghul:



Likeliness: Medium

Created in 1971, Ra's fits the timeline having many good stories in the 70s. Liam Neesen did a great job as Ra's and his resurrection could be seen as unexpected and is quite possible with the Lazarus Pits. However I find him returning less likely, his involvement more than likely would be one of a man behind the scenes, with his reveal later in the movie to be the surprise.

Joker:



Likeliness: Low

Arguably one of the greatest villains of all time. Heath's performance undeniably great. Nolan has stated several times he does not want to use the Joker again out of respect to Heath. To use the Joker would be the most unexpected turn of events. I know the fans would not be disappointed but, to assume Nolan has been blowing smoke up our asses all this time is very unlikely.

Two-Face:



Likeliness: Medium-High

Two-Face had a lot of good runs in the 70s and 80s fitting the childhood part. The return of Harvey Dent could be seen as unexpected, since it has been stated several times Two-Face is considered dead in the Nolan-verse. If Two-Face is reused it would be very interesting on how he is used. There are several possibilities but my favorite is Two-Face returns to exact revenge on Batman. In the end it turns out the real culprit behind Two-Face's actions is Ra's Al Ghul in exchange for letting Two-Face use the Lazarus Pits upon killing Batman.

Now that we have covered all previously used villains lets cover ones that have not been seen yet in the Nolan-verse.

Poison Ivy:



Likeliness: Very Low

Fits the unexpected bill, had runs in 70s and 80s but, none were too memorable. Highly doubt she would be used, doesn't fit in continuity of the movies and does not interest Nolan, neither does she interests many fans. Bad taste of Batman Forever keeps her out of any movies anytime soon.

Firefly



Likeliness: Low-Medium

Not a character that had many memorable runs in 70s and 80s. Not so much unexpected as he could be used as an enforcer for another villain or mob boss. Flight fight scenes could prove to be interesting, but Deadshot would be a much better choice for an enforcer type character.

The Mad Hatter



Likeliness: Low

Fits the unexpected and had runs in 70s an 80s. However his runs in 70s and 80s are rather unappealing as I found the character has become much more interesting in the 90s and 2000s. If used my favorite interpretation of him is that of a child molester who kidnaps girls that resemble Alice, would be difficult to include in Batman 3 though.

Manbat



Likeliness: Low-Medium

Considered rather unexpected, created in 70s and had some very interesting stories. Could fit into the series of events of Batman being on the run and the actions of the Manbat being blamed on Batman. Seems unlikely that he would be used because of his powered background and not a strong enough character to carry a movie on his own however, he does not fit well with too many other villains.

Mr.Freeze



Likeliness: Very Low

Was a basic themed 'joke' villain for most of his runs in the 70s and 80s. Never really became an interesting character until his appearance on Batman:The Animated Series (Which was one of my favorite Batman stories of all time). His use of powers makes him unlikely and the Governator still comes to mind when mentioned to the general public, very unlikely.

Killer Croc



Likeliness: Low

Created in 1983, Millar was 14 by then not really putting him into the childhood era but still possible. The interpretation of him in the Joker graphic novel is my favorite and would most likely be the only way he could translate into film. For those not familiar with the Joker graphic novel he is depicted as having a skin condition which gives him a scale like appearance and he filed his teeth to points. The picture above is from the Joker graphic novel. Doubt Nolan would use him as he is more of an enforcer type villain and I would very much like to see him in a movie but, doubt Nolan would use him.

Clayface



Likeliness: High

Would be very unexpected because of his powers, Millar has stated before that Clayface is one of his favorite villains. Maybe it is just a pipedream but Clayface would be the funnest to see on screen. His powers are that of variety he could be taken more realistically but still very dangerous. His shapeshifting abilities allow him to change into whomever he wishes which would work well for framing Bats in BM3. The retelling of his origin in Batman:TAS is also one of my favorite Batman stories and I feel would translate well to film. When I first read Millar's tweet the first villain that came to mind is Clayface, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for this one!

Deadshot



Likeliness: Medium-High

Created in 1950 by Bob Kane himself. Not very unexpected but would fit very nicely as an enforcer villain and would be exciting to watch. One the fan-favorites for BM3 makes me wonder with the unexpected part but could very easily be in Batman 3 for he has many uses to help develop the plot. Loved the interpretation of him in Batman Gotham Knight.

Black Mask



Likeliness: Medium-High

Another fan favorite to be the villain in BM3. Not really 'unexpected' but fits well with the Nolan-verse. I am rather uninterested in him because he would be portrayed as another mob boss and resembles the Red Skull too much especially with both movies coming out in the same year. Would make sense as the villain in BM3 though and would be quite a challenge for our Dark Knight.

Catwoman



Likeliness: Medium

Batman needs a love interest. More than likely this love interest will not just be a damsel in distress, so Catwoman fits. Fits well with just about any other villain in Batman's rougue's gallery and translates to film well.Not very unexpected at all though. I've never liked Catwoman and always felt like she was a rather annoying character (meowing and what not). Would rather not see her in BM3.

Talia Al Ghul



Likeliness: Medium-High

Alot more unexpected of a love interest than Catwoman. Created in the 70s along with Ra's she fits the timeline. I would be much more interested in seeing Talia on film as the love interest however bringing Talia into the fray makes a resurrection of Ra's much much higher a possibility. This love/hate dynamic could be played very well in her seducing Batman only for her to reveal she really wants revenge for the death of her father.

Riddler



Likeliness: Medium-High

The most expected choice as the villain in BM3. Millar's tweet makes the high possibility of the Riddler's appearance much less likely. Many people dislike the Riddler and consider him a 'poor man's Joker'. His run as a joke villain in the Silver Age ruined a lot of people's view of the Riddler. The Riddler is one of my favorite villains in his more recent incarnations. His intellect will really challenge Batman's detective skills which I want to see the most, I want to see the World's Greatest Detective really show his stuff on film. There is multiple ways he could be portrayed on film, a serial killer, a computer hacker/cyber terrorist, ect. He fits Nolan's films the best and since there is chance of multiple villains still a very high chance he will appear.

Penguin



Likeliness: High

After reading Millar's tweet the second villain that came to mind after Clayface was Penguin. Nolan states he dislikes Penguin which makes this choice very unexpected. He can very well be interpreted as a mob boss or an arms dealer allowing him to fit into the universe very well. Penguin is after all considered by many Batman's second greatest villain behind the Joker and would work well at ending the trilogy.

Dr.Hugo Strange



Likeliness: Medium-High

Sort of unexpected since he is a lesser-known Batman villain to most casual fans and the general audience. Would fit very well into Nolan's universe being hired to rehabilitate the influx of costumed criminals coming into Arkham. His true motives however are to expose the identity of Batman due to him being on the run. Could be paired very well with another villain and would help drive the plot very nicely, his chances are very high.

I considered many other villains as well but felt their chances of appearing in Batman based on the above information is unlikely. Solomon Grundy would be very unlikely due to being a magical zombie, he would be very hard to explain in the Nolan-verse. Bane appeared in the 90s well after Millar's childhood. Ventriloquist was late 80s so out of childhood as well (would be interesting to see though).

Please feel free to discuss and add any possible villains I may have missed and why they fit the mold from Millar's comments and how they fit into Nolan's universe.
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Vafrous
Vafrous - 10/4/2010, 1:00 PM
Nice article
Black Mask,Deadshot and Firefly are my picks...
I hate Penguin and Catwoman!
Unreal2k9
Unreal2k9 - 10/4/2010, 1:22 PM
Dude the chance of Clayface being in the Nolanverse is not high at all. Other than that, pretty good aticle
jbak368
jbak368 - 10/4/2010, 1:29 PM
I think Hugo Strange would make a lot of sense. He's one of Batman's earliest villains (before Joker and Catwoman), and he's been written as having connections to the mob for funding his experiments, connections with the scarecrow in conducting them, and he's been a psychological expert on Batman during a time when the police were after him. All of those things tie into established elements of the Nolanverse.
KidDynamo0
KidDynamo0 - 10/4/2010, 2:14 PM
Gotta go with Bane. We need a physical threat to Batman. Bane is also very intelligent, so he isn't just a muscle bound angry idiot.

Break the Bat!
blueballs
blueballs - 10/4/2010, 2:21 PM
what about the clockmaster? "...very timely..."
secretasianboy
secretasianboy - 10/4/2010, 3:38 PM
don't forget about anarky
elcaballerooscuro92
elcaballerooscuro92 - 10/4/2010, 6:16 PM
how about catman or the calendar man? those would be unxpected
Organa1978
Organa1978 - 10/5/2010, 7:55 AM
I hate Penguin and Catwoman too!
I hope no one of these two villains will be in the movie.
I´d like to see one or two of these new characters:

- Talia Al Ghul(if Nolan does not include her and include Catwoman or another, I will feel very disappointed with him)
-Black Mask
-Deadshot
-Hugo Strange
-Lady Shiva
MidKnight35
MidKnight35 - 10/5/2010, 9:46 AM
Thanks for all the comments guys.

@Unreal2k9: Yeah I thought Clayface had a zero chance until reading Millar's tweets (Which are probably a bunch of shit but, oh well)

@Deaconblackfire: What I meant was I don't think he would work well in Batman 3 if he had an expanded role. Batman chasing down a serial killer I feel just wouldn't follow the tone of the film, and if he is used as someone hired by the mob then there are better villains to use in that way.

@Blueballs: I think you mean Clock King, he is more of a Green Arrow villain though.

@Secretasianboy: Anarky was created in '89 and has too many ties with the Joker to be used properly without feeling like a knock off.

@Drknight92: I looked at Catman and Calenderman and really couldn't find any good runs throughout the late 70s and early 80s I could imagine being Millar's favorite. They were mainly used as silver age 'joke' themed villains during that time period.

suedesstar
suedesstar - 10/5/2010, 11:05 AM
One of the charachters which no one has mentioned and who fits perfectly into Nolan's scheme is "Rupert Thorne". He's classic and he also is known for hiring people to go after Batman and others. There could be some combination of Thorne and other mob-type leaders such as Penguin, hiring maybe Deadshot and Black Mask to hunt Batman down (which would make it easier to commit crimes and help get rid of a "public menace"). Someone like the Penguin has always wanted public approval. And Batman has to chose whether he is up for the lifetime challenge of defending Gotham and accepting that he won't be embraced for doing it. Either he has to take off the cowl forever or be prepared to die in it.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 10/5/2010, 11:11 AM
what millar said doesn't confirm anything, man. he has nothing to do with the movie and no one knows who his source was.

the person that told him could be completely wrong. you never know. i would tak his comment with a giant spoon of salt.
XxBLACKMASKxX
XxBLACKMASKxX - 10/5/2010, 6:18 PM
Ever heard of HUSH???????
Someone needs to find out however who had a major role during his childhood.
Thnks
XxBLACKMASKxX
XxBLACKMASKxX - 10/5/2010, 6:45 PM
I looked into a comic book database and noticed the batman:year one storyline was around his time along with Robin: the teen wonder. Other than that i found no other stoyline. Clayface seems like an intresting choice. Black Mask did have a larger story arch with war games,ect. He also mentioned a fight scene, Hmm.
So this leaves us with little option...
BLACK MASK
RIDDLER
CLAYFACE
BANE
HUSH
I doubt a female role, but count on a power house character!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
XxBLACKMASKxX
XxBLACKMASKxX - 10/5/2010, 6:48 PM
BM3 comes out in 2012
Cap comes out in 2011
BLACK MASK is fine.
IamThePunisher96
IamThePunisher96 - 10/6/2010, 4:35 AM
victor zssaz was in batman begins. don't you guys remember him at all. jeez.
trytan
trytan - 10/6/2010, 10:25 AM
Black Mask: mob leader using Batman's MO of wearing a mask.
Croc, a big body giard type of Black Mask

Dead Shot, Deathstroke, and/or Bane: Assasins hired to kill Batman and/or Comm. Gordon.

Penguin, CEO of a company that makes guns and wants to merge with Wayne Industries but Bruce says no. Cobbelpot tries to have Wayne killed to then buy Wayn'e majority stock in the company. He is also selling his guns secretly to the mob.

Strange: taken over Crane's old job at Arkham but is also obssessed with unmasking Batman.

Riddler: Cyber Terrorist.

I think those are the best uses of those criminals for the Nolanverse.
trace2tbb
trace2tbb - 10/11/2010, 10:57 AM
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deadman444
deadman444 - 2/16/2011, 2:17 PM
Which issue/collection is that picture of Poison Ivy from? Her benignity intrigues me. (While one's at it, can somebody tell me where Fries', Dent's, Scion's, and Kyle's are from?)
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