EDITORIAL: Can One-Shot Standalone Movies Like THE JOKER Still Work?

EDITORIAL: Can One-Shot Standalone Movies Like THE JOKER Still Work?

DC Films is seemingly putting more focus on standalone movies, starting with a Todd Phillips-directed Joker origin film. Can this be the studio's new formula for successful comic book adaptations? Read on!

Editorial Opinion
By jph152 - Mar 16, 2018 12:03 PM EST
Filed Under: Joker
In the age of cinematic universes and failed attempts at cinematic universes, standalone superhero films face some inherent challenges. Universe building is the priority of most studios with major properties, and as we’ve seen several times, it’s not hard for filmmakers and studios to get ahead of themselves.
 
Warner Bros. has been blamed for trying to accelerate their universe by overstuffing Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice with too many characters, plotlines and set up that doesn’t pay off. However, the studio seems to be open to trying some different approaches to superhero filmmaking. 
 
Hopefully, not restricting themselves with the rules of a cinematic universe will lead to better DC movies. The first standalone film is pretty intriguing, with Martin Scorsese producing a Joker movie. Since the most recent rumors about the film portraying the Joker as a failed comedian who turns to crime, the first thing to come to mind is Alan Moore’s Batman: The Killing Joke
 
This one-shot comic is one of the character’s most memorable stories, as it provides what many believe is a definitive origin for the Joker. Of course, the Clown Prince of Crime himself says that sometimes he remembers it one way, and sometimes another, so there is still some ambiguity there. 
 
That’s why many fans think giving the Joker a definitive on-screen origin story is a mistake. While this was done in Batman (1989), taking this same approach in a time where filmmakers are generally more willing to embrace the comics would surprising. 
 
However, what might make this work is the fact that the Todd Phillips-directed film is meant to be a standalone movie. Batman may not even be in the movie, so this is a good opportunity to try something a bit unconventional with the character.
 
Releasing one-shot, non-canonical movies at a time where cinematic universes are the norm could be refreshing. Of course, this concept isn’t just limited to superhero movies. 

 
When Rogue One: A Star Wars Story was released, there was some confusion among casual moviegoers as to where the movie fit into the franchise’s timeline. However, this didn’t stop the film from becoming a massive hit, proving the power of the Star Wars brand. 
 
Logan, probably the best standalone superhero movie so far, seemed like it could have been a sequel due to the convoluted X-Men timeline. Many fans walked into Logan thinking that it was a sequel to the last film in the series, but the movie was so good that its place in X-Men canon was an afterthought.
 
Of course, quality is the most important factor. We all know that if the Joker movie sucks, then the fact that it’s a standalone won’t feel all the special. However, this also gives filmmakers a bit of a security blanket, as they don’t have to worry about one bad movie ruining the series’ canon if the story is self-contained.
 
If DC is going to move forward with more standalone movies, should they be concerned about whether or not people understand what these movies are? Possibly, but depending on the tone and directorial style, the standalones could be visibly different from the DCEU movies.
 
Going this direction also opens up the possibility of doing direct adaptations of iconic comic book storylines—something DC was reportedly thinking about doing with Superman: Red Son.
 
With the news of Ava DuVernay directing a New Gods movie that isn’t connected to the DCEU, it seems like the studio is less concerned about building a universe than they were just a few years ago. While many different franchises have tried to replicate Marvel’s success by building cinematic universes of their own, focusing on standalone stories could be the right way to go for DC.
 
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Kevwebsz
Kevwebsz - 3/16/2018, 12:34 PM
I think WBDC should go way out there and adapt Elseworld stories. Would definitely be their own unique thing.
FleischerSupes
FleischerSupes - 3/16/2018, 12:38 PM
I think it would have worked if they hadn't already attempted a shared universe with poor results. Now I'm not sure it's possible to go back and make one shots out of pieces of a shared universe that aren't connected to that shared universe...and I'll just leave this humpty here.

JPeg
JPeg - 3/16/2018, 12:50 PM
I have never been impressed with DC's shared universe in the comics. They have some great stories with larger than life characters. Marvel has always excelled at world building and more grounded characters.
Go with your strengths DC. Give us epic stories with mythic heroes and trust that your audience is smart enough to not be confused when they don't all connect.
IronGenesis
IronGenesis - 3/16/2018, 12:52 PM
It used to be “can audiences grasp episodic films building to a climax in a cinematic universe”.

Now

I wonder if audiences haven’t been so ingrossed in the idea of connectivity that to release a true stand alone film (Rogue One and Logan are not true standalones) would confuse and annoy the younger generation.
blackandyellow
blackandyellow - 3/16/2018, 1:14 PM
I'd written off the Joker movie as a stupid idea until I saw that Martin Scorsese is involved. Now I'm in 100%.

nikgrid
nikgrid - 3/16/2018, 2:01 PM
@blackandyellow - Oh you get a like for Henry Hill!
TheApostrophe
TheApostrophe - 3/16/2018, 1:26 PM
A lot has changed in the last 10 years, including the general audiences desire for long-form storytelling. Part of the appeal of the MCU movies is knowing that it's part of something bigger. Folks don't want to miss something that might feed into something else they love later, and they have confidence that their investment will pay-off down the road in future films.

All that to say that I think standalone films can be brilliant, impactful, and as good - even better! - than those with connective tissue. But building an entire film slate around standalone films might take some time to sell, gain steam and generate excitement, especially given DC/WB's track record with their DCEU films. It could be a safer bet for the filmmakers to simply focus on telling a good story, but I think they have to be willing to give the audience some time to regain the trust they may have lost these last few years.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 3/16/2018, 1:35 PM
Can it work? Yes

Is it a good idea? No

It’s not a good idea to do a Joker ORIGIN film UNLESS it’s Joker giving us numerous stories

There was a Joker graphic novel around the time TDK came out which would work perfectly for a Joker film
TheSoulEater
TheSoulEater - 3/16/2018, 6:42 PM
@LEVITIKUZ -

I know exactly the comic you mean, I could see it.

Forthas
Forthas - 3/16/2018, 1:37 PM
This is another in the LONG list of stupid ideas that has come from this studio. Let's change the questions in order to demonstrate how stupid it is.

Is having stand alone comic books better than the shared comic universe?

The answer is NO and I think even people who think that stand alone films are the way to go would say that. So for the EXACT same reason that it is a worse situation for comics, it is a stupid idea for movies which Marvel has shown BOLSTERS lesser known properties by having the crossover universe. This is a lazy cop-out that if they choose this direction, why not just admit they are not creative enough to build a shared universe and sell the IP to a company that can and will. This is a disservice to DC fans as day after day they watch as Marvel does exactly what DC claims they cannot do. The constant excuses are utterly ridiculous. Christopher Nolan gave DC the template to create a truly epic shared universe. And like with most of the decisions in the DCEU...it boggles the mind why they seem to purposely choose the wrong direction.

Imagine if someone at Disney said to Kevin Feige, let's REBOOT Black Panther. After that person was led away in a straight jacket and admitted to a mental institution, I am sure that Feige would have returned to working on sequel to Black Panther.

YET....

That is EXACTLY what happened at Warner Brothers. Following the second highest grossing film in the studio's history....they decide to reboot it instead of capitalizing nd building on this universe. Even Christopher Nolan encouraged them to do a Catwoman spin off (albeit without him) with the Catwoman character that sprung directly from the Nolan inspired universe of the Dark Knight Trilogy.

It is truly amazing the level of ineptitude!



nikgrid
nikgrid - 3/16/2018, 2:04 PM
@Forthas - "Is having stand alone comic books better than the shared comic universe? The answer is NO and I think even people who think that stand alone films are the way to go would say that."

Don't be ridiculous. WB have been making standalone films for most of their existence. If a story is well written and well directed Yes, it can work.
Forthas
Forthas - 3/16/2018, 2:16 PM
@nikgrid -

I did not ask "IF" they made stand alone comics...I asked if people PREFER them to the connected comic book universe. I think the majority of people would say no and since comic movies are made far fewer than comic books the preference would be for the shared comic universe over the stand alones.
revloveR
revloveR - 3/16/2018, 3:33 PM
of course it could work, the problem with DC is that they're terrible at execution.
GoldGuy
GoldGuy - 3/16/2018, 4:30 PM
As long as it's good, then sure. Being part of a cinematic universe doesn't guarantee quality, as we well know.
Eraserhead
Eraserhead - 3/16/2018, 5:16 PM
Im absolutely baffled by DCs release schedule. Tripping over themselves to "catch up" w Marvel & developing continuity in a haphazard way. They need to establish BATMAN for me to care about a new cinematic Joker; sorry it's not going to work otherwise.

I hope DC takes a break from standard canon adaptations & maybe go for Vertigo-edged stories. I don't want myself (or GA) to get burnt by seeing core characters spoiled (RR Green Lantern for instance)
Wolverine43X
Wolverine43X - 3/16/2018, 9:44 PM
The problem with the DC comics/movies is they refuse to appreciate source material. The thing that Marvel does is pay tribute to the characters that they use. No one could tell me different. DC/Warner tried to do their own thing, and that ended up sucking. They hired actors that don't fit the part. They have tried to tell stories that don't fit the part. It's a shitty situation. And it sucks for people, like me, who have read the comics and relate to characters they are trying to represent. Warner Bros. has dropped the ball, and they are in the hole trying to catch up. At least we have a company that is coherent and understanding as Marvel. Yes, all their decisions are not the best, but.....they have all the characters they use in mind. DCEU SUCKS!
4000dvds2many
4000dvds2many - 3/17/2018, 3:56 PM
Bullshit! Doing standalone movies means they're just gonna churn out the same Batman Batman Batman Batman Superman Batman Batman formula that has plagued their animated movies. With a New Gods or Suicide Squad sprinkled in randomly - until those fail - and then more Batman Batman Batman. DC can jump off a cliff. I'm so over their pathetic attempts at films. Just hang it up and come back in ten years when your execs have stopped doing so much coke.
Pierce
Pierce - 3/17/2018, 11:14 PM
Can one shot movies work? Yes, yes they can.
Pierce
Pierce - 3/17/2018, 11:21 PM
@Pierce - I am whole heartedly against a joker origin unless at the beginning he si torturing someone and decides to tell him how he became the joker.
then after he kills the guy he tilts his head, asks himself "wait, is that how it happened?" and bellows out a diabolical "HA HA HA HA HAAAA"

Martin, i love your movies, but i will not be able to enjoy this fully if you don't make his origin somewhat ambiguous.
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