JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX To Lose #1 Spot This Weekend; Todd Phillips Claims Sequel Doesn't Call Out Toxic Fans

JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX To Lose #1 Spot This Weekend; Todd Phillips Claims Sequel Doesn't Call Out Toxic Fans

Joker: Folie à Deux's tragic box office run looks set to get even worse this weekend as Terrifier 3 looks set to steal the #1 spot. Todd Phillips, meanwhile, has denied he set out to tackle toxic fans.

By JoshWilding - Oct 09, 2024 01:10 PM EST
Filed Under: Joker

Deadline brings word that Joker: Folie à Deux looks set to lose the #1 spot at the North American box office this weekend to Terrifier 3

Following the Joker sequel's disastrous $37.6 million opening and hauls of $1.8 million on Monday and $2.6 million on Tuesday (tickets are offered at a discounted rate that day), it's likely the second weekend will face a -70% decline. 

That's around the $11.2 million mark, and with Terrifier 3 currently eyeing an $11 million debut, that makes it sound like Joker: Folie à Deux will just manage to remain on top. However, the trade believes the movie is following a similar path to The Marvels and its dip will be closer to -80%, meaning a second weekend of $8 million or less. 

One of the main reasons Joker: Folie à Deux has been rejected by fans is because it feels like filmmaker Todd Phillips set out to attack fans who idolised Arthur Fleck after watching Joker

Asked about that by IGN before the sequel's release, he denied tackling toxic fans was ever the goal with Joker: Folie à Deux.

"[One] of the things that we always thought about the first movie or one of the things I definitely said enough in defending the first movie when it needed to be defended because people said it's irresponsible, its use of violence. And I always saw it quite literally the opposite. I thought it was responsible because it was showing the actual real-world effects of violence. It wasn't glamorizing gun use in my mind. It was actually showing, 'Oh my God, this is brutal.' And I think the reality of it maybe is what turned people off, the people that were turned off."

"[It] was never about addressing toxic fandom, but it was about addressing this idea of what happens if this thing gets put upon you, like we were saying, just five minutes ago, but it's not actually what you are. And then, what happens in the worst case scenario, if you finally find love in your life or you think you do, but that person is in love with the character that you represent, not the person that you are."

Whatever the case may be, a big issue with the movie is that its message feels muddled and contradictory to what happened in Joker. Regardless of whether Phillips did want to hit back at fans or critics or truly felt this was the natural next step for Fleck, it didn't work. 

In our review of the movie, we concluded by saying, "Lady Gaga shines and Joaquin Phoenix brings more of the same to Joker: Folie à Deux, a wholly unnecessary sequel with no new ideas and nothing to say. It doesn’t work as a movie or a musical. What a waste of $200 million."

Joker: Folie À Deux is now playing in theaters. 

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TheLobster
TheLobster - 10/9/2024, 1:07 PM
Hahahaha
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 10/9/2024, 1:07 PM
Justice and dessert

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HammerLegFoot
HammerLegFoot - 10/9/2024, 1:17 PM
@harryba11zack - I like how there's always a Penguin in these
DrDReturns
DrDReturns - 10/10/2024, 12:48 AM
@harryba11zack - Keep these coming!
HammerLegFoot
HammerLegFoot - 10/9/2024, 1:15 PM
Aaron Pierce is official our John Stewart!
MCUKnight11
MCUKnight11 - 10/9/2024, 1:19 PM
Why do these companies hire people who don't even like the material they are adapting? I thought the lesson was learned with Bryan singer years ago.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/9/2024, 1:46 PM
@MCUKnight11 - in this case…

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Phillips himself has admitted pretty much that he wanted to make a Taxi Driver/King of Comedy-esque film with the first one but it wouldn’t sell to a mass audience in this day & age if it wasn’t an established IP hence him deciding to use the DC & Joker brand name so that isn’t news.

Ultimately Phillips with the first one got to more or less make the movie he wanted to make while WB/DC thought it was an easy way to make money


EgoEgor
EgoEgor - 10/9/2024, 1:28 PM
I guess I'm in a minority who doesn't think this movie was calling out fans of the first film. The character is idolized for or against a cause he doesn't have, agree with or want.

I think we're so used to meta commentary in films today that we put it in even when it's not there.
ThorArms
ThorArms - 10/9/2024, 1:30 PM
Terrifier 3 beating it would be an absolute disaster for WB (not that it isn't a pretty big one already)
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/9/2024, 1:32 PM
It had the whole weekend to itself, got the number one spot and still couldn't perform. That's what I call a flop.
TheNewYorker
TheNewYorker - 10/9/2024, 1:33 PM
I hope Todd never works in this town again! LOL
SATW42
SATW42 - 10/9/2024, 1:38 PM
In the same article Phoenix also admits that it is of course there, it just wasn't the intent.

"Phoenix: I don't know about that. I really think there's probably several themes. I think each person can derive a different kind of meaning from them, and I think that's the value of it. I don't like it when people, the filmmakers, or the actors really primarily, are like, "This is the point we're trying to make. Pay attention. We're talking about you." That's not how I approached it, but I certainly think that's part of it. I don't know how you examine celebrity without thinking about that."

It just reinforces what I was always concerned with the first one, Phillips was more worried about "cool" than about the fact that he was turning a killer into icon and then trying to say "no I wasn't" He doesn't have the capacity to realize how his work can be perceived.

Phoenix is just as delusional, but at least isn't ignorant (or purposefully trying to gaslight) and tells you that reading is actually there
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/9/2024, 1:53 PM
@SATW42 - I personally do think the violence in the first one wasn’t glorified when it happened but meant to be shocking and disturbing

However , it can also get a bit muddy when you also have your lead being presented like this…

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I can see how a certain section might think that’s cool.
SATW42
SATW42 - 10/9/2024, 2:02 PM
@TheVisionary25 - "I personally do think the violence in the first one wasn’t glorified when it happened but meant to be shocking and disturbing"

His entire final speech on the Arthur Murray show is an anti-establishment message that literally ends with the idea that Murray and the city were getting what they deserved with the riots and being murdered.

At no point during his interview, even with Murray's interjections, does it seem like Phillips thinks Arthur is wrong.
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