Jonathan Nolan Comments On The Amount Of Villains In Comic Book Movies

Jonathan Nolan Comments On The Amount Of Villains In Comic Book Movies

Jonathan Nolan "doesn't believe in any of that s**t!"

By SetGecko - Jul 03, 2012 01:07 PM EST
Filed Under: Batman
Source: Sci-Fi Magazine



In a recent interview with Sci-Fi magazine, Jonathan Nolan shared his thoughts on possiblity of cluttering the plot with too many villians, as seen in "The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen", "Watchmen", and "Spider-Man 3":

"Oh I don't believe in any of that s**t! Everybody is always looking for excuses as to why something worked and why something didn't work. Even The Dark Knight has three villains in it, or six, depending on how you're counting them. It is just a question of whether you can pull it off. That's what it comes down to. I think a narrative is only as cluttered as you let it be. And if you're looking for scope and scale...look at The Lord Of The Rings. Consider the number of characters in that. The number of different forces. And the different amount of allegiancies and betrayals. There are as many good films with half a dozen villians as there are bad ones. And I think that is a sort of facile thing to seize on as an explanation for "This is why this worked, and this is why this didn't work". Some of these things work because they're good, and some of these don't work because they're not. And I think if anyone had a formula for what makes one good, I would be very happy if they shared it with us, you know?"




Warner Bros. Pictures’ and Legendary Pictures’ "The Dark Knight Rises" is the epic conclusion to filmmaker Christopher Nolan’s Batman trilogy. The screenplay is written by Christopher Nolan and Jonathan Nolan, story by Christopher Nolan & David S. Goyer. The film is produced by Emma Thomas, Christopher Nolan and Charles Roven, who previously teamed on “Batman Begins” and the record-breaking blockbuster "The Dark Knight." The executive producers are Benjamin Melniker, Michael E. Uslan, Kevin De La Noy and Thomas Tull, with Jordan Goldberg serving as co-producer. The film is based upon characters appearing in comic books published by DC Comics. Batman was created by Bob Kane
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Talontd
Talontd - 7/3/2012, 1:52 PM
When he's right, he's right...

SM3 failed because the studio shoved a villain down the directors throat!!!

...well, that and Emo Spidey ;)
jazzman
jazzman - 7/3/2012, 1:56 PM
he is so right

CloydeSyfox
CloydeSyfox - 7/3/2012, 1:58 PM
So who is the best Villian of all time?

Ra's Al Ghul?
Kid Miracle Man?
Greengo
Greengo - 7/3/2012, 2:09 PM
wonder if it'll work
marvel72
marvel72 - 7/3/2012, 2:11 PM
watchmen didn't have too many villains,the treatment of venom in spider-man 3 made me sad. :(
neonhero
neonhero - 7/3/2012, 2:22 PM
I know SM3 is old news, but Venom was poorly handled. And we'd already seen Spider-Man Vs Himself in Spider-Man 2, so that felt like a poor plot point that brought the movie down.
alucard365
alucard365 - 7/3/2012, 2:28 PM
LOTR did have allot of Villains. lol
LoudNoises
LoudNoises - 7/3/2012, 2:37 PM
I don't think the problem is having too many villians. It's handling the villains poorly that's the problem. Take Spiderman 3 for example. Trying to shoehorn Sandman into the Peter Parker storyline by making him responsible for Uncle Ben's death was a slap in the face not to mention lazy writing. That pretty much meant that the criminal who ended up dying as a result of Peter's reckless vigilanty justice is now even less justified than it was before. Sandman's mission to steal in order to save his sick child takes a complete u-turn when he decides he actually cares about killing Spiderman. Venom or more specifically Eddie Brock was a complete car wreck with virtually no real motive other than Peter got him fired from a freelance photography position. As a result he decides Peter must be killed and then goes on a powertrip when he becomes Venom. And Harry Osborn suddenly turns into a technological genius who builds his own custom hovering snow board and bumps his head and forgets everything and starts acting like he is 10 years old. And then they bring back in the old love triangle again between Peter, Harry and MJ which was painful enough the first time around. Then Harry remembers everything again and dukes it out with Emo Peter. It was a f**cking mess.
Minotauro
Minotauro - 7/3/2012, 3:13 PM
Jonathan Nolan > Whedon > Webb.
DukeAcureds
DukeAcureds - 7/3/2012, 3:45 PM
And lets not forget Batman and Robin. There's the obvious Bane connection, there. Why old Bane seems to be the elephant in the room that nobod....
whhhhaaaaaaattttt?
Six Villians?!!!
DukeAcureds
DukeAcureds - 7/3/2012, 3:46 PM
Bane,
Catwoman,
Scarecrow,
Ra's,
Talia...
Who is number 6?
StarSpangledBruce
StarSpangledBruce - 7/3/2012, 4:08 PM
@DukeAcureds It was stated a while back that Alon Aboutboul was cast as a mad scientist (possibly working for Bane), so he may be the 6th.
StarSpangledBruce
StarSpangledBruce - 7/3/2012, 4:09 PM
His character's name is Dr. Leonid Pavel.
darkbeefstakes
darkbeefstakes - 7/3/2012, 4:30 PM
Definitely agree with Mr. Nolan.

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TheBatman50k
TheBatman50k - 7/3/2012, 4:37 PM
@Intruder,


wtf are you talking about when you mention Nolan's "guilty consciouness" He is right about that. If you dont know how to handle the villains in your film properly no matter how many you have there is a very good chance your CBM is going to suck. Oh and the raimi thing is actually very interesting mostly because at first he didnt even want to do a third film and when he finally decided to do it Sony shoved all this crap down his throat that it basically forced him to rewrite the ENTIRE script.
StarSpangledBruce
StarSpangledBruce - 7/3/2012, 4:37 PM
Aren't we forgetting X-Men The Last Stand?
JDUKE25
JDUKE25 - 7/3/2012, 4:40 PM
Watchmen was great. Spiderman 3 sucked because the story was crap, not because there were too many villains.
relentless1
relentless1 - 7/3/2012, 4:48 PM
@DukeAcureds i think john daggett is #6
antonio
antonio - 7/3/2012, 4:53 PM
@DoubleD um....who cares??

And I think multiple villains could work if done right. Spider-Man 3 is the best example of having multiple villains and it becoming a total cluster you know what.
TheBatman50k
TheBatman50k - 7/3/2012, 4:55 PM
All you have to do is do the research, Raimi never wanted Venom in the story but Sony wanted to do a Venom movie that would tie into SM3. Raimi didnt get the budget that he originally wanted because Sony didnt want to pay him that much. And the list goes on and on.
sexfoodcomics
sexfoodcomics - 7/3/2012, 4:59 PM
Why do people keep pissing on watchmen. That movie is freaking great!!!
lnTylerWeTrust
lnTylerWeTrust - 7/3/2012, 6:02 PM
I notice its the same people commenting on articles day by day week by week. Damn, you guys dont have jobs or what? No social life? I wish I had this much time on my hands.
UrbanKnight
UrbanKnight - 7/3/2012, 7:09 PM
Ladies and gents(and idiots)... Jonathan Nolan. A man with common sense.
Nighmarewalking117
Nighmarewalking117 - 7/3/2012, 7:53 PM
I know this is a "Batman thread", but there's some truth behind the reason: "Why we changed Venom" on YouTube. Sony, as "everyone" knows, its just "trying" to redeem there-selves on the "Reboot", because we all know: What happened in the beginning of: Sam's, could've happened, like: The Amazing Spider-Man.

Beside that, I played: The Amazing Game, beat, played the other games- Sam Raimi's" enjoyed them- as well.
Talontd
Talontd - 7/3/2012, 10:01 PM
@Intruder

Yea, the whole thing was a fcuking mess, but whenever you hear RAIMI talk about it you can tell he wants to choke out a couple execs over at Sony. RAIMI had such a hard-on for SANDMAN that he definitely got carried away. Even tho VENOM was supposedly the villain the execs forced on him, I think the film would have been better served if they focused on OSBORN & VENOM.

Ha, just read your comment:

"Honestly, all it needed was Venom.. with Harry becoming the new Green Goblin.. AT THE END.. not the beginning. That would have been smart and we might have had a Spider-Man 4... No, Raimi SHOVED Sandman down the studios throats! And it [frick]ing sucked!!"


Couldn't agree more... ;)
TonyChu
TonyChu - 7/3/2012, 11:08 PM
Spiderman 3 was a result of the studio forcing Rami to include Venom. I remember when I was a kid, I was obsessed over the Rami Spiderman series I read almost every article and seen every interview about it. Now case in point, I remember reading in countless articles that Rami loved Sandman and at one point in an article before Spiderman 2 even came out and said he wanted Flint Marko as the villain in the third. It has been stated by insiders and I think even Rami himself that Sony actually demanded Venom to be in the third installment. I will say this you cant put all the blame on Sony because there could have been a way to incorporate Venom and Sandman in the film without the disaster that was. In the first act Spiderman encouters Sandman and at the same time discover the symbiote. Now in act two Spiderman dons the black costume and eventually semingly kills Sandman. In act three Spiderman rids himself of the symbiote and thus it attracts to Eddie Brock and Venom is born, which leads into the climatic battle but Venom does not die instead Spiderman beats him at the end and he escapes. But before he escapes he tells Spiderman that he will return and he knows all the people he holds dear to him and he will never see him coming (due to Spidey's spider sense not working on Venom or Carnage). This leads to Peter and Mary Jane to separate from each other. MJ moves to LA to pursue her career in modeling while Pete stays in New York and in the fourth Gwen and Peter begins dating. Now towards the end the audience witness Harry Osborn taking the Goblin serum and will eventually become the new Green Goblin. I would have also liked to see Norman Osborn not actually dead just like in the comics because he has a slow health regeneration and the camera shows Osborn laughing in some secluded area. So all along Norman has been orchestrating his son to become the Green Goblin. This would eventually lead into Spiderman 4.
Noctis198
Noctis198 - 7/4/2012, 12:13 AM
When the hell did watchmen have too many villains?
One2three
One2three - 7/4/2012, 4:26 AM
The new batman trilogy is now known is the lord of the rings of cbms. Epic.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 7/4/2012, 11:01 AM
I'm glad someone famous agrees with me.
Mendenhall12
Mendenhall12 - 7/4/2012, 2:02 PM
@darkbeefstakes your tv spot is one the best I've seen on there. Plus, the uploaded it to the The Dark Knight Rises youtube page.
loki668
loki668 - 7/5/2012, 12:21 AM
It doesn't matter how many iconic villains you have in the movie if the writing and/or directing is shit. Examples (included but not limited to): Spiderman 3, Batman and Robin, Batman Forever, Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Green Lantern....

Make a good movie w/good writing and it doesn't matter how many villains you have. Unfortunately, the opposite is also true.

Lord Loki has spoken
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