Did anyone else notice these things in The Dark Knight ?

Did anyone else notice these things in The Dark Knight ?

Editorial Opinion
By Morty - Jan 13, 2012 09:01 AM EST
Filed Under: The Dark Knight

Hi all,
I am a new user, long time lurker.
I am not trying to start a Hate thread, But I'd like to create some healthy discussion about the Dark Knight.
I will start by saying it is in my top 5 favorite films ever.
I am definately not out to hate, But I would like to point out a few problems that I have with the film and would like to hear back from anyone
some interesting comments, that hopefully are not angry.


*First off, The reflections.

-If you watch the film closely, you can notice that they used alot of reflective buildings and surfaces in the production of The Dark Knight.
Ever notice in the opening when the bank robbers are on the roof and firing the grappeling hooks that you can see the filming
helecopters in the buildings glass ?

-The same goes for the metal table before entering the mob meeting, and pencil trick scene. A camera is seen in the reflection.



*Secondly, Continuity problems.

-The batpods tires are much smaller than that of the tumbler.

-If you watch closely, in scene cuts Hands often switch places.
The jokers hands switch when taking off his mask in the opening between cuts.

-Jokers hands on Batman switch between cuts durring the interogation scene beating.

-Dents hands switch places while he is lying on the ground dead.

-In the bar scene where Dent kills Wuertz, the taps on the bar are there and then are gone in the next shot.

-There are many more of these type of minor continuity problems if you watch closely between cuts.



*Story problems.

-The finger print on the shattered bullet.
Firstly, there are articles online for experts saying a fingerprint is only on the casing mostly,
which batman did not recover. Even if it had been on the actual bullet, it apparently would have been wiped off from the air speed.
In the actual scene though, supposing he could scan it why doesn't he just do so ? why does he fire into the bricks, over and over with other bullets ?
what does that do other than try to make Bruce look smart with Fridge logic ?

-When the Joker detonates his bomb while in custody, all the police officers were nocked downor out.
why was he the only one not affected ?
Did I miss the part where he got a forcefield ?


* Blaming Batman for Dents murders.

- How could the police put blame on Batman for Dents murders, Dent had the motive to kill those people. Ramirez was left alive to dispute the fact that it was Dent
and her partner and what I assume friend was killed by Dent. Why would she lie to pin it on Batman ?
It has been established that she is a corrupt police officer, and could be payed off at least in the past. You would hope a gun being shoved in her face,
her fate decided by coin toss and friend and partner and friend being shot would smarten her up though.



*Gordon and blaming Batman

-Does it not detract from Commisioner Gordons awesome portrayal and character by making it seem like he would actually frame Batman ?
It would take a ton of work and payoffs to actually pull off.

-He would have to pay off Ramirez and get her to basicly testify against Batman.
Because even if Batman did use a gun, he wears gloves and does not leave finger prints, how could they logisticly pin it on him ?

-What motives could they use to say Batman went around killing these people ?

-Gordon should be above this kind of thing, one of the few moral forces in gotham is now methodicly framing people ?!

-Why would he not pin this on the Joker ?
A mass murdering psychopath with quite a few open and shut murder cases, who is going to do the rest of his life in prison would be alot easier to
pin this all on. Not only in court, but with the publics opinions.



Anyways. Those are my tiny gripes with The Dark Knight.
It is a great film, so good that most do not notice any of these things even with repeat viewings. Which really says alot.
Great film, great cast and very little major flaws.
One of the best films ever, in my humble opinion.


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EpicMan
EpicMan - 1/13/2012, 9:48 AM
Hahaha gusto's article got deleted???? "Ohh shit peoeple like his article what do we do..... Ah just deleted it."
m1312020
m1312020 - 1/13/2012, 9:58 AM
The bullet part always confused me as well.


@EpicMan Never did get to find out if Gusto's article
was about me.
HaroldOfGalactus
HaroldOfGalactus - 1/13/2012, 10:39 AM
The bullet recovery scene didnt make a lot of sense, but the reason he shot so many bullets is to see what type of gun shot the bullet. his big robo brick shooting gun had rotating barrels simulating different guns
DCfan89
DCfan89 - 1/13/2012, 11:00 AM
this could be said about any film. i agree that all of this is forgivable. no disrespect, but i feel as if this was a bit nitpicky, this isn't directed to the author of this article, but i feel as if TDK was such a great film, that most people must find little things or stupid reasons as to why its not perfect. but all in all, you have a keen eye.
charliegaridel1990
charliegaridel1990 - 1/13/2012, 11:00 AM
i can offer one explanation.

The bomb didnt kill the police officers, because the guy The Joker was holding glass to just before the bomb goes off appears at the end of the movie.

My theory is simple, when the bomb went off, they all dropped to the ground out of fear. But the Joker knew it was going to go off, and knew hed be far enough away, so he didnt panic. If ur standing there, and someone randomly shoots off a loud firework, your going to react. But if you know theyre going to do it, u probably will just stand there
LoudNoises
LoudNoises - 1/13/2012, 11:25 AM
I did notice a couple of the continuity problems you pointed out in this article. But in a movie where the editing cuts as fast as TDK does, it's not difficult for me to rewatch the movie and not notice them over and over.

The finger print on the bullet is one of those things that is used in the movie to give us a sense that Batman has some technology that is just beyond what we are actually aware of. Batgadgets if you will. Whether or not this would actually work in real life I would say is mostly irrelvant. Nolan uses technology which is usually in the experimental stage which is why it seems to some degree plausable that Batman could utilize such technology in the ways shown in the movies, the memory cloth used to make his cape is another good example.

The idea of Batman taking the blame for Dent's murders is another problem which I've heard a few people bring up before. I don't find this too hard to justify. Ramerez wasn't bad, she was just struggling and the mob accomidated her financial needs in order that she keeps them informed. I think she wants to do the right thing, and if Gordon wanted to cover for Dent, then she would oblige him. Especially considering that she might implicate herself in revealing Dent.

And as for Dent pinning the murder's on the Joker instead of Batman, well this is a pretty easy one to dispute. The Joker was caught before Gordon and Batman could reach Dent who was holding Gordon's family hostage. Dent also ends up dead in the end and you couldn't pin this on the Joker who was already caught.

It would also be difficult to pin the murders on either the mob or one of Jokers thugs because you can't place any of them at the crime scene. By placing the blame on Batman, this also allows Gordon to control the situation, because Batman is not going to deny it. If they try to pin it on anyone else, they will obviously dispute it and it could ultimately reveal Dent and his motives if there was an investigation. The way I see it, Batman was the safe bet if your trying to contain the situation.
EpicMan
EpicMan - 1/13/2012, 12:13 PM
14 thumbs up and they delete it??? Wow so much for automation.
EpicMan
EpicMan - 1/13/2012, 12:36 PM
She Is Super Hot!

How can they tout their automated BS and then delete an article saying "Its not what CBM is looking for"

It was an editorial! About not being a jerk!

To many thumbs up
EpicMan
EpicMan - 1/13/2012, 1:08 PM
No rebuttle? Because im right and I have been right. PERIOD
MovieMaster
MovieMaster - 1/13/2012, 2:22 PM
@EpicMan- Dude, the article looked like a 5 year old with special needs wrote it. Plus, Gusto wrote it.
95
95 - 1/13/2012, 2:45 PM
We will get more on the Harvey Dent coverup scandal in The Dark Knight Rises. Gordon could easily stick the crimes on Batman since The Joker has shown Gotham that Batman would let people die in order to protect his identity. That was the whole point of The Joker's actions. To create a Gotham that turns against it's Silent Guardian, a Gotham that can longer trust anyone.

As for seeing the production equipment in the film, that was a arguable decision Christopher Nolan made. He wanted to preserve the color, tone, and quality of the original film negative, but in progress sacrificed his films to numerous of technical flaws moviemistakes.com could eat up. He mainly did this because he wanted his IMAX stock to be fresh out the darkroom.

The rest can be answered with: it's just a movie. But your points on the murder coverup are up to The Dark Knight Rises explain. And it's got a lot of explaining to do. People can come up with a millions of ways to explain the issue, but I say: leave it to the filmmakers! Lastly, the "continuity issues" are one reason Christopher Nolan has yet to win an Academy Award for Best Directing.
superbatspiderman
superbatspiderman - 1/13/2012, 4:24 PM
@EpicMan - WTF are you even talking about?

This is a very good article with very many good valid points. I think Batman took the blame for the murders because he can't just pin the blame on someone else even if it is the Joker. Batman is a good person.
MaddMonkk
MaddMonkk - 1/13/2012, 7:24 PM
m1312020-gusto's article was about you
RunDTC
RunDTC - 1/13/2012, 7:30 PM
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Macksimus
Macksimus - 1/13/2012, 10:57 PM
Very good point about Ramirez; she knew about Dent attempting to murder her and she probably had an idea that he was the one responsible for the murders, but she obviously doesn't spill the beans to the authorities. The only logical reason I can think of for why she didn't is because of her dealings with the mob. I hope this issue receives some attention in the TDKR.

m1312020
m1312020 - 1/14/2012, 7:06 AM
@MaddMonkk Cool man.I wasn't sure sense ten people
report him daily.I'm not sure why Gusto got so
worried about me I never reported anyone and
no one gives a crap about my comments,but him
apparently.
GusGalaxy
GusGalaxy - 1/14/2012, 8:44 AM
Very cool article, I too noticed a lot of these things in the film, but I feel @LoudNoises and @3D are spot on with their response to this, all in all, a truly interesting discussion and a great read! Keep it up, I'd like to hear your thoughts on something like the X-Men films or something similar.. Thanks again!
AC1
AC1 - 1/14/2012, 8:58 AM
-Does it not detract from Commisioner Gordons awesome portrayal and character by making it seem like he would actually frame Batman ?
-Gordon is reluctant to do this, he's following Batman's plan to save Dent's reputation. If it came out that Dent killed those people, all the mobsters he locked up would be released, and Gotham would go down the crapper. He's framing Batman because Batman told him to, and he's the only one who knows this.


-He would have to pay off Ramirez and get her to basicly testify against Batman.
Because even if Batman did use a gun, he wears gloves and does not leave finger prints, how could they logisticly pin it on him ?

Batman effectively killed Harvey Dent. With Gordon's testimony (he's a well known good cop and head of the police) he could implicate Batman in the rest of the murders through false evidence, etc.

-What motives could they use to say Batman went around killing these people ?
Weurtz - He's a corrupt cop, so Batman killed him and his vigilante methods are getting more violent
Maroni - A mobster, Batman's killing criminals instead of locking them up now
Dent - Harvey Dent learned what Batman had started doing (killing criminals and the corrupt), so Batman killed him to shut him up.

-Gordon should be above this kind of thing, one of the few moral forces in gotham is now methodicly framing people ?!
Again, Gordon was against this, he only went along with it because Batman told him to frame him, and if he didn't, the hundreds of criminals Harvey has imprisoned would be put back on the streets of Gotham, destroying all their work and putting them back at square one.

-Why would he not pin this on the Joker ?
The Joker would open his mouth and tell people. All he'd have to do is say Dent did it, and it'd get people thinking. Why would the Joker lie? He's killed people before, he enjoys it. Joker would pin it on Dent, and eventually it'd open up a whole can of worms and it'd get out, again ruining Dent's work and putting all those criminals back on the street, possibly including the Joker.
As it is, Joker's keeping his mouth shut, because he's ruined Batman's reputation. He predicted they'd "Cast [Batman] out, like a leper", and he was right. Job done, he has no reason to say anything now.
AC1
AC1 - 1/14/2012, 9:02 AM
Good point about Ramirez though, we can only assume Gordon made her keep quiet. Plus, if she did say anything, Gordon could have her outed as corrupt and responsible for Dent's kidnapping. But who knows, maybe this is something that will come up in the Dark Knight Rises?
CrimsonDynamo
CrimsonDynamo - 1/14/2012, 9:23 AM
Consider these points -

1. One of the themes in the Dark Knight was "you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" (I'm still not sure despite watching TDK countless times why Dent blurted that out at the dinner table... it was completely uncalled for!! Anyway, in Nolan's franchise they set this up so that all of the good guys should die an unnatural death or else the audience will be left wondering if they do end up becoming villains somewhere down the road...
2. Batman was against copy-cats - how could he in TDKR hand over the cowl to someone else with that in mind? Especially when they spent a large a portion of BB showing him embark on an almost 10 year journey to learn how to do this properly and then to put in a filler character in that role (especially when they haven't shown this character before and the audience (myself included) wont have any emotional investment in seeing this character become Batman at all.
3. Reese knows who Batman is and The Joker (RIP Heath!) knows Batman is innocent, as do several other people like Gordon's family, Lucius, a lot of Gotham if you think about it (why didn't he kill the Joker, but he thought the other people who were lesser criminals deserved death??) - I certainly hope they don't ignore these points in the TDKR!
Especially the fact that he didn't kill the Joker but they expect people to believe he felt those other villains deserved a death sentence!! In my opinion if they let the Joker fall from the building (Even though it would have been a nod to Batman 89) it would have went a longer way in proving Batman is guilty to the public, because it was only Batman and Joker who would know the cause of Joker's death.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 1/14/2012, 9:33 AM
I'm gonna get alot of hate for this but, yes it's a great film but everyone over hypes it ruins it and the anticipation for TDKR for me. Does it have it's flaws yes, is it a excellent piece of film making yes. But the hype you guys give it kills me. I am Marvel fan but I cannot deny that the Batman trilogy that Nolan has gave us is excellent and the best part of TDK was Heath Ledger's Perfect performance as the Joker.
tanakaonegai
tanakaonegai - 1/14/2012, 1:02 PM
I agree with everything you've posted. this movie is still my most favorite movie of all time. On the ramirez thing, when gordon talks to batman at the end about the deaths he says "5 people dead. 2 of them cops." the only 2 cops that he sees are Ramirez and Weurtz. even though the coin flip saved her, it seems to me the blow to the head she received killed her. so by coincidence dent killed her while only trying to wound her. that's my view on that and why i think she wouldn't be a problem. as for Gordon not being able to frame batman, what evidence would he really need? batman is a vigilante and unpredictable in the public eye. all he had to say was that he witnessed batman kill Harvey Dent and mention that all the people killed were connected as criminal accomplices. Yes joker did kill alot of people but everyone in gotham saw how batman reacted to the joker. its not hard to believe that after the commissioner of police swore he witnessed batman kill someone that batman might be a killer vigilante. anyways thats my view.
SpiderFan35
SpiderFan35 - 1/14/2012, 2:05 PM
lol Tea, I have not had time to hit the "new" site much lately but it's good to see that the best bits have not changed.
Little continuity errors or technical goofs do amaze me, conisidering the huge amount of planning and work that goes into a film and then that stuff gets overlooked, its weird. It's like performing successful open-heart surgery but then leaving a scalpel in the patient.
DocMartin09
DocMartin09 - 1/15/2012, 6:14 PM
Since we are pointing out things that bother us about a movie we all love, I will throw out my biggest problem. When the Joker crashes Bruce's fundraiser for Dent, Rachel falls off the building, Batman goes after her, they fall, land on a car, cut to the next scene. But... THE JOKER IS STILL IN THE BUILDING! You know where he is Batman, don't let him get out. Call the cops, surround the place, stand by the front door...do something because he is right there in the building! How did the Joker get away when Batman had him pinned in and now has Rachel out of the way.
RidiculousFanBoyDemands
RidiculousFanBoyDemands - 1/15/2012, 7:28 PM
@DocMartin09

First of all, who is going to detain him in that building. Remember the joker has guards all around the exit (Bruce had to take one of them out). You really think the rich folk of Gotham who have already been described as apathetic are going to get in the way of a crazy man that just through an assistant DA outside a window?

The cops are crooked remember. Gordon's team is the only one anybody can trust and while the party was going he was with the commissioner. Remember that entire scene took place at the same time, Commissioners death, Judge death and Joker crashing the party all happened at the same time. Plus joker works for the mob, which has most of the police bought and paid for. Who's to say anybody would come if they called?

If The Joker left the second Batman flew out the window he could have made it out easily. I don't understand why people are so hung up on that scene.
ThunderCougarFalconBird
ThunderCougarFalconBird - 1/16/2012, 12:44 AM
Nice article. Can't really argue with anything other than maybe Gordon agreeing to lay blame on batman because he understands it's what's best for the city, and that's what he is dedicated to.

As for the bullet thing, yes it's complete and utter fantasy but I reason his shooting several bullets like this:

He has a shattered bullet in a block of concrete that he needs to piece together. To do this he needs to replicate the shot several times over to study how the bullet shatters, and more importantly, what caliber it is (we see him comparing the entry damage of each shot with the original). Once he knows what kind of bullet it is and how it shatters in concrete, he can piece the bullet together.

Hope that helps keep some form of reality bending realism in the scene for you rather than complete impossibility.
NeoBaggins
NeoBaggins - 1/29/2012, 10:34 AM
Please separate your own thoughts from the stuff you've plagiarized from movie mistakes dot com and youtube. I dont believe you sat there noticing and pondering 99% of this stuff when you watched the film.

Verdict: Bullshit.
batmanrises
batmanrises - 2/1/2012, 6:40 AM
Troll article. What Neo said.
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