THE BATMAN Script Is A Whopping 160 Pages Long; Matt Reeves Comments On Josh Gad/Penguin Rumors

According to a new report, the current version of Matt Reeves' The Batman screenplay is a massive 160 pages long! Find out more about that and the director's thoughts on those Penguin rumours right here...

By JoshWilding - Feb 02, 2019 01:02 AM EST

Filed Under: The Batman

Earlier this week, we learned that The Batman - which will no longer star Ben Affleck - is set to be released on June 25th, 2021. Now, a very interesting new detail about the movie; apparently, Matt Reeves' script comes in at a whopping 160 pages. That could wind up working out at anywhere from two and a half to three hours!

However, it's said that Reeves is currently cutting it down and will be doing more revisions to it.

In other news, the filmmaker has finally been asked about the possibility of Josh Gad playing The Penguin. He's made his interest in the role clear for years now and would definitely be an interesting fit. Reeves didn't give anything away (including whether or not they've ever discussed the role) but did say: "I love Josh Gad. We're good friends."

What we do know is that The Batman will feature an entire rogues gallery of villains, so it's definitely feasible that we could see the Caped Crusader square off with The Penguin and a number of others in the highly anticipated - and long overdue - movie.

As always, we'll keep you updated, but share your thoughts in the comments section below.

Where did it all go wrong for Batfleck?
Read our recap of what happened below ICYMI.

Batfleck Backlash

On August 22nd, 2013, Ben Affleck was announced as the new Batman for what was then being billed as an untitled Man of Steel sequel. Despite his impressive turns in movies like The Town and Argo, there was an immediate backlash and fans really weren't on board with him playing the Caped Crusader.

Here on CBM, the article revealing the news received over 1500 comments with gems like, "[I'm] just really not a fan of this news... [I] feel like DC hates us," "Nothing about Affleck screams Bruce Wayne or Batman," and "NO. No way, this has got to be a joke surely? I mean, BEN AFFLECK? BEN AFFLECK!?!?!?!? No way. I refuse to believe it." And those are just the clean ones!

This wasn't a good start for Batfleck and the actor later talked about being told by Warner Bros. to not pay too much attention to what was being said online. Unfortunately, things would only get worse for him from there...

Batman v Superman Bombs

As time passed, the images and trailers made it clear that Affleck was a great choice to play the hero (visually, at least) and when Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice hit theaters, pretty much no one had anything bad to say about his version of the character.

Unfortunately, the movie took an absolute pounding and the actor became a meme thanks to an interview which saw him dubbed "Sad Affleck." He clearly wasn't happy with the way things were going, but remained attached to direct a Batman movie he'd been writing with comic book scribe Geoff Johns and was lined up to appear in Suicide Squad.

Still, he can't have been pleased about starring in a critical flop as it hurt his status as a director and was like Daredevil all over again.

A Pointless Suicide Squad Cameo

When set photos showed Batman chasing down The Joker and Harley Quinn, fans were extremely excited to see how that would play out in Suicide Squad. Unfortunately, his appearance there boiled down to an underwhelming car chase in which he never interacted with the Clown Prince of Crime and a far too brief battle with Deadshot which was a total disappointment.

On the plus side, we did get a pretty cool mid-credits scene featuring Bruce Wayne and Amanda Waller.

The main problem was that Suicide Squad was another critical flop for Warner Bros. and while Batman's role was brief, this was another bad superhero movie (according to the critics, at least) that Affleck's name was attached to. It was at this point that he clearly started to grow frustrated with the role.

Ben Affleck's Frustrations

"With Live by Night, it took me a year and a half to write and get ready, and I worked really hard and — it’s just, nobody gave a sh*t!," Affleck told Jimmy Kimmel when asked for an update on The Batman. "But with Batman, I keep on getting, ‘Where’s the f***ing Batman script?!’ I’m like, ‘Whoa — I’m working! Give me a second!'"

It seemed like the pressure was getting the best of him. Live by Night (which Affleck directed while shooting Batman v Superman and Justice League, thereby taking his attention away from that movie) was a critical disappointment and that really can't have helped.

It was around this time that rumours about him being done with Batman after Justice League started gaining traction and it seemed as if his days as the hero might be numbered. However, fans held out hope because The Batman was still in the works. Well, not for much longer, unfortunately!

The Batman Falls Apart

Affleck's version of The Batman would have pitted the Dark Knight against Joe Manganiello's Deathstroke and that was an idea fans could get on board with (especially with Johns contributing his comic book knowledge to the script).

On January 30th, 2017, the actor issued the following statement about no longer directing the movie:

"There are certain characters who hold a special place in the hearts of millions. Performing this role demands focus, passion and the very best performance I can give. It has become clear that I cannot do both jobs to the level they require. Together with the studio, I have decided to find a partner in a director who will collaborate with me on this massive film. I am still in this, and we are making it, but we are currently looking for a director. I remain extremely committed to this project, and look forward to bringing this to life for fans around the world."

That was it for his version of The Batman but things still looked good because at least Affleck was going to team up with a new director to bring the movie to life, while still playing the Caped Crusader. Hell, he even declared at Comic-Con that, "I am the luckiest guy in the world, Batman is the coolest f***ing part in any universe." Matt Reeves was hired but things didn't go as we thought.

Creative Differences?

Reeves quickly made it clear that he was not only making changes to Affleck and John's script; he was totally rewriting it from scratch. What was going to be an action movie along the lines of The Raid was to be transformed into a noir thriller and the director clearly had a different vision for how Batman's story should play out, hence why we started hearing rumblings about it being a prequel.

Whether or not Affleck's departure had something to do with creative differences behind the scenes is hard to say, but it really didn't feel like these two were ever on the same page and that when Warner Bros. hired Reeves, they knew he wanted to essentially reboot the character and take him down a more standalone path which isn't necessarily connected to the wider DC Extended Universe.

The Justice League Dilemma

We really don't need to recap what went wrong with Justice League again but the fact is, this was the third DC movie that Affleck starred in which was met with scathing reviews from critics.

He can't have been happy with that and the writing was on the wall at this point.

Sure, we were hearing stories that he might play Batman one final time in Flashpoint to bring a close to his time as the character while a younger actor would take over in The Batman, but once that fell apart and Warner Bros. decided to focus on standalone story, it was apparent that it was simply a matter of time before it was made official that he would no longer be playing Bruce Wayne.

A New Batman

It feels like we spent all of 2018 sifting through rumours about who could be the next Batman and names like Jack O'Connell, Jake Gyllenhaal, and Richard Armitage continued popping up online.

Nothing concrete was revealed, of course, and as far as we were concerned, Affleck was technically still attached to the role. His personal life was in disarray, though, as he re-entered rehab and clearly had more on his plate than playing a superhero again.

The trades and fansites weighed in but nothing was made official until earlier this week.

Batman, No More

This week, The Batman got a release date: June 25th, 2021. It won't star Ben Affleck, though, and a new actor is being sought after by Matt Reeves. The movie will reportedly be a noir-type detective story that finally sheds some light on why the Dark Knight has been described as the World's Greatest Detective.

We don't know if this will be a reboot, a prequel, or a standalone adventure unrelated to Justice League. However, after months of conflicting reports and rumours, we now know that Affleck is done as Batman and that's a shame because it's hard to escape the feeling that we missed something special here.

Had things played out differently, we could have very easily seen his Batman on screen for years to come but it wasn't meant to be.

What Comes Next?

This is the million dollar question. As of right now, we simply do now know but the casting process for The Batman should begin soon and that means we'll find out who will be the new Bruce Wayne as well as the actors who will portray some of his most iconic villains (Reeves has said we're getting an entire rogues gallery). In terms of story details, you have to hope those are on the way too.

Warner Bros. isn't shying away from saying that they're happy to make movies which don't set up a larger world, so chances are it won't tie into past releases and could even use a whole new cast of actors to play the likes of Alfred and Commissioner Gordon.

What are your thoughts on the rise and fall of Batfleck? Share your thoughts in the comments section down below and stay tuned for more details as we have them.

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UltimaRex - 2/2/2019, 1:39 AM

When the Great Collapse happens, you'll STILL be moaning about "Batfleck"!

It's officially over.

Let the poor man go.

dracula - 2/2/2019, 1:42 AM

@UltimaRex - Plus Affleck was great, problem was the script

ManDeth - 2/2/2019, 2:27 AM

@dracula - Affleck was even worse than Clooney. His bloated face from his drinking made him the worst looking Batman ever. No man should play Batman when he rides in the back of a car, bawling like a baby and stuffing his fat face with fast food as he is driven to rehab.

DetectiveCinema - 2/2/2019, 1:40 AM

Josh Gad is by no means my first choice for The Penguin but I wouldn’t complain if he were cast. My cents, I’d put frequent Matt Reeves collaborator Andy Serkis in the role, or John Goodman for an older take on the character.

dracula - 2/2/2019, 1:43 AM

@DetectiveCinema - If he hadn't died Philip Seymour Hoffman would have been perfect for Penguin

L0RDbuckethead - 2/2/2019, 8:52 AM

@DetectiveCinema - Serkis would do the role justice, for sure:

MosquitoFarmer - 2/2/2019, 1:40 AM

The script will be cut down, whether before or after the movie has been shot. It's standard business. Heck, read the original Django Unchained script (which gets even darker than the movie turned out as is), and that movie still ended up at 2 hours 45 minutes.

But please, keep Josh Gad away from this project with a ten foot pole.

Oofenburg - 2/2/2019, 1:42 AM

@MosquitoFarmer - More appropriate

dracula - 2/2/2019, 1:45 AM

@MosquitoFarmer - Philip Seymour Hoffman would have been perfect

MosquitoFarmer - 2/2/2019, 1:48 AM

@dracula - Agreed. He was the top choice fan casting for the Nolan-verse following The Dark Knight. As far as the Nolan films, I think there should have been one more before The Dark Knight Rises. And the reported news that Warner Bros. wanted Leonardo DiCaprio as The Riddler (after Inception came out), well I'd have been really down with that.

dracula - 2/2/2019, 1:51 AM

@MosquitoFarmer - DiCaprio would have made a great Riddler. Probably would have never been used, but if we were to have gotten a Nolan style Mr. Freeze I could see Tobin Bell

MosquitoFarmer - 2/2/2019, 2:03 AM

@dracula - I never would have thunk it up, but that's pretty inspired casting.

dracula - 2/2/2019, 2:08 AM

@MosquitoFarmer - Thanks

Dart - 2/2/2019, 6:40 AM

@dracula - how many times have you posted about Phillip Seymour Hoffman in this article?

dracula - 2/2/2019, 1:41 AM

As long as its a good make it as long as you want. Hope we see Catwoman, every great Noir film needs a fem fatal. It will be interesting to see a more detective themed Batman movie, especially if we dig deep into Batman's Psychology. Only version of Batman to really do that is Gotham

im gonna miss this show

Cheldo - 2/2/2019, 2:29 AM

@dracula - or Talia

dracula - 2/2/2019, 3:01 AM

@Cheldo - Talia is great, but Catwoman is better, plus if they do Talia, then they need to include Ra's and Ra's has had a lot of exposure lately, obviously Batman Begins, Arrow Season 3, Gotham Season 4.

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