Three Reasons Marvel Has Nothing To Worry About From DC

Three Reasons Marvel Has Nothing To Worry About From DC

Well, if Josh Wildling can post a biased editorial about his favourite company, I'll do the same!

Editorial Opinion
By SpoonySpoon - Jun 05, 2015 02:06 PM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Comics

Three Reasons Why Marvel Have Nothing To Worry About From DC

 

 

3) Newer Is Not Always Better

 

While there’s no debating that some things are better when they’re like nothing you’ve ever seen before, like Iron Man or The Avengers, sometimes the first movie is just a decent movie that becomes a stepping stone to a kickass sequel. Or sometimes it’s just Superman Returns. I mean seriously, remember when everyone was excited for the first Superman movie in twenty years? Let’s go through the recent examples: Batman Begins was solid, but The Dark Knight eclipsed it in nearly every way. Captain America The First Avenger was so-so, but The Winter Soldier zipped to the top of nearly everyone’s favourite MCU movie. Spider-Man 2, X-Men 2, or Days of Future Past. Hell, even Fantastic Four Rise Of The Silver Surfer was better than the “new” original. Guardians of the Galaxy may have set the box office on fire because it was new and original, but you know what else was new? Green Lantern. Ghost Rider. Daredevil.

 

Iron Man and Guardians didn’t succeed because they were unheard of, they succeeded because they were brilliantly made movies. same as how being “new” didn’t save the bad movies. Avengers 2 may not have yet beaten the original at the box office, but every single other sequel in the MCU has outgrossed it’s predecessor: Iron Man 2 & 3, Thor 2, Cap 2, each had more buzz and made more money than it’s original. If we define Avengers 2 as a failure because it failed to beat the original at the box office, a movie that shot up to become the third highest grossing movie in the history of movies, what’s that saying about us? That money and buzz is all that counts? If so we may as well hand the keys over to Michael Bay.

 

Justice League could totally be a huge success, if it’s a good movie. As for ‘new and exciting’, that’s coming in on both sides. Marvel currently has 5 superhero movies lined up based on characters who’ve never been in movies before. Wonder Woman *should* have the edge on a Captain Marvel movie based on name recognition, but as Superman Returns proved, it’s that name recognition can’t save a bad movie.

 

2) Kevin Feige IS In Charge For Now

 

The problem WB is having in desperately trying to wrangle up a DC Cinematic Universe out of thin air is that there’s no helmsman, it’s a ship without a captain. Even the insiders are admitting it’s complete chaos in DC HQ, with many writers competing with scripts. Kevin Feige is almost entirely the man responsible for the MCU, because he’s the one who makes sure every film is consistent with one another, keeping track of characters and plot points spanning several films. It’s literally his job to keep things in check, and WB doesn’t have that. Back when Man Of Steel was in need of buzz, WB waxed lyrical about how Christopher Nolan was going to godfather the whole thing. A claim which… didn’t really turn out to be true. 

 

Sure, Zack Snyder is the best (only) example, but he’s busy making Batman V Superman to be able to keep tabs on what the other movies are doing and give them notes on what they should be doing. And after that he’ll be making Justice League, parts 1 and 2! At the moment we have Man of Steel which took the “washed out colours, dark and gritty” approach, with BvS looking to take the same route, but look at Suicide Squad, with it’s pulpy colours and characters. In a world where Superman has to wear really muted colours because the studio is se emingly embarrassed that he’s Superman, The Joker is suiting up with full on purple tuxedo while driving a purple car? That’s like shoving Bane from Batman & Robin into The Dark Knight Rises. There’s no consistency already, and the universe is just getting started. WB need to put someone in charge of making sure all the separate movies can co-exist and it’s not weird. It may not be forever, but Marvel owes it’s success to Kevin Feige.

 

1) They Don't Know What To Do With Their Iconic Heroes


In modern times, the “big guns” of modern superheroes in movies are the likes of Superman, Batman, Iron Man, The Hulk and Captain America. But audiences tend to forget that ten years ago it wasn’t the case: Wolverine and Spider-Man were the big guns. Marvel sold all their profitable licenses to keep themselves out of bankruptcy in the late 90s, meaning when they decided to get themselves into the moviemaking game, they were forced to take lesser characters like Thor and Guardians of the Galaxy, and made them into household names.

 

Warner Brothers bought DC Comics back in 1967, and have had all the rights to DC’s bulging roster of superheroes, they just haven’t really figured out what to do with them. While in the last year Marvel has made a successful movie about a talking racoon and Fox made a movie about X-Men travelling through time to unite both the original cast and the cast of the reboot, Warner Brothers said "Um, maybe we'll think about making a Wonder Woman movie now?". If other studios can make big rewards on risky ventures, and Warner Brothers still has no idea how to make a movie about Wonder Woman, arguably their third biggest character, something's wrong.

Warner Brothers has occasionally ventured out of their “It’s Got To Be Superman Or Batman” rule, to varying degrees of success, it’s not been great. Green Lantern was probably better known than Thor was at the time of their debut movies, and look how that turned out. It’s no longer about how well audiences know the name of your superhero, it’s about making a movie that audiences want to see. Spider-Man is technically the most profitable superhero in the world right now (based on toy sales), but that means jack squat when there hasn’t been a good Spider-Man movie in 10 years, forcing Sony to cancel their planned Spidey Universe and agree to let Marvel take over. To put a fine point on it: a bad movie is a bad movie, and it doesn’t matter how well known your character’s name is.

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JacuzziJoe
JacuzziJoe - 6/5/2015, 2:39 PM
First comment that matters.

I'm not a fan of pitiful rivalry to grab clicks, but I recognize and respect your purpose for this, which is standing up to Wilding. Didn't even read it, but I'll thumb you for the balls.
JacuzziJoe
JacuzziJoe - 6/5/2015, 2:39 PM
Didn't see your comment, @Omonro
the
the - 6/5/2015, 2:42 PM
@JacuzziJoe the gif's didn't post? I can see them right now.
PAF
PAF - 6/5/2015, 2:50 PM
Josh's article wasn't wrong but you are not lying with point number one!
Sulti1274
Sulti1274 - 6/5/2015, 2:55 PM
Marvel Phase 4, bring these guys

the
the - 6/5/2015, 2:55 PM
"if Josh Wildling can post a biased editorial about his FAVORITE company"


The joke should be clearer now.
Dingbat
Dingbat - 6/5/2015, 3:12 PM
Ugh. More pointless editorials. Neither company has any need to worry as there is a healthy competition between them. Fanboys are the only ones that worry.
Dingbat
Dingbat - 6/5/2015, 3:18 PM
@TandAFan

MisterSuperior
MisterSuperior - 6/5/2015, 4:21 PM
@ManCalledSting

"Stupid editorial, is stupid."

SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 6/5/2015, 5:23 PM
Uh, pretty sure the current narrative is that Josh is a Marvel fanboy. Now you're accusing him of being a DC fanboy. Prettyyyyy sure the truth is that he just posts flame-baiting articles in order to get clicks, get rich, and get chicks.

THE HORROR.

CombatWombat
CombatWombat - 6/5/2015, 5:44 PM
Oh he gets clicks all right. But get chicks?
I dunno about that one, man.
RextheKing
RextheKing - 6/5/2015, 7:06 PM
You'll probably get in trouble for this article for inciting a flame war, which Wilding seems to be the only one allowed to break the rule.
JoeMomma29
JoeMomma29 - 6/5/2015, 8:30 PM
LMAO!

Ummmmm who was in charge of that WW pilot and script????????

Yeah I will enjoy the responses on that one.
JoeMomma29
JoeMomma29 - 6/5/2015, 8:33 PM
Also the one big difference between this article and Josh's is........ well Josh's gets on main and can be seen from Google etc...!

Jazzy4
Jazzy4 - 6/6/2015, 4:00 AM
This is a very rectionary thread but as i said in Josh Wilding's thread, the biggest advantage Marvel has over DC, which kinda place the former in the driving seat in that specific genre, is having its own studio dedicated exclusively at doing Marvel stuff without having to spread finance, talents, projects with other non Mavel ones.

Secondly, thy are managed by a small group of CB nerds around a flat organisation that facilitate and fasten the whole process from getting the idea on the table to putting the project in pre production to ending in post production with Disney marketting machine and funds as means to help the creative team working in the best, optimal conditions.

Because of that difference in organisation that settles where the main center of decision is (at the very top of WB board for DC and nearer the core Marvel family base when it comes to Marvel), CBMs are for Marvel its bread and butter.

For WB its one commodity among plenty other commodities, which will always include a level of negotiation due to the internal competition between DC commodities and non DC ones to get the finance, the talents, the green light for their projects over the other ones.

When the CBM bubble will explode, FOX, Sony and WB will be the first ones to cave in and limit their offer over a longer period of time because they can afford it as they have other commodities to replace it.

Marvel will be the one to try to find creative ways to adapt itself with the new reality and will still be more visible because of it, becaus they have no other commodities than CB.

That is the main reason of their domination : they are the only studio of the four that is a CB studio only and exclusively, aimed at doing CBM and CBTV.

They will always do that even when the others won't or will limit their CBM offer.
Demigods
Demigods - 6/6/2015, 4:43 AM
I was just about to post how I hate how CBM has turned into a constant flame war... and then @TandAfan posted Palicki's jubilees pic... its okay now.
JokerEl
JokerEl - 6/6/2015, 5:20 AM
This article is terrible.
wcwpoet
wcwpoet - 6/6/2015, 5:44 AM
While I feel like you made some very valid points I wouldn't fall for Josh's click baiting traps. Marvel has zero to worry about from WB. When WB actually makes a decent movie that doesn't star Batman maybe just maybe they can hit Marvel's level. But here's the reality THEY CAN BOTH BE GOOD. This is truly the golden age of live action comics! A Marvel Cinematic Universe. A DC TV universe & Cinematic on the way. This is stuff we've dreamed of. And though it'll probably never happen just imagine if the two companies got together once all properties have been explored and do a Marvel vs. DC! My god flat out EPIC
Darktower
Darktower - 6/6/2015, 5:48 AM
cheap cheap
Darktower
Darktower - 6/6/2015, 5:51 AM
sorry.... desperate n cheap!
HulkOnion
HulkOnion - 6/6/2015, 6:10 AM
Ironic editorial is ironic
CaptainAmerica31
CaptainAmerica31 - 6/6/2015, 10:16 PM
Josh made an article trashing DC a couple of months ago and I bet you were kissing his ass and now you're calling DC his favorite company. Dick rider
CaptainAmerica31
CaptainAmerica31 - 6/6/2015, 10:17 PM
Marvel Studios is the COD of CBMS.
ClumsyToaster
ClumsyToaster - 6/7/2015, 7:11 PM
Her boobs look like they're going to pop out.
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