CBM SUPERBATTLE DXXV (525)

CBM SUPERBATTLE DXXV (525)

Lower Card-METALLO vs SANDMAN | Midcard-GREEN GOBLIN II vs HAWKMAN | Main Event-FIRE vs SPIDER-MAN | See Results for SUPERBATTLE CCLXVII (267): IRON MAN vs MARTIAN MANHUNTER | BATMAN vs DR STRANGE | BLACK CANARY vs VAN HELSING |

Feature Opinion
By TheWitness - May 23, 2014 12:05 AM EST
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CBM FightClub Official Group Standing
# of Wins
# of Fighters
421 | 43.31%
104 | 37.14%
466 | 47.94%
101 | 36.07%
85 | 8.74%
75 | 26.79%

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Winners of CBM SUPERBATTLE CCLXVII (267)
[83%] MARTIAN MANHUNTER
Heavyweight
Rank #30 |W: 8 |L: 4
Conquests & Defeats
Powers & Skills
[70%] DR STRANGE
Heavyweight
Rank #7 |W: 16 |L: 4
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Powers & Skills
[78%] BLACK CANARY
Middleweight
Rank #14 |W: 21 |L: 14
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Powers & Skills

Lower Card


METALLO vs SANDMAN

METALLO
Middleweight
Rank #98 |W: 1 |L: 1
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SANDMAN
Middleweight
Rank #120 |W: 0 |L: 0
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Midcard


GREEN GOBLIN II vs HAWKMAN

GREEN GOBLIN II
Middleweight
Rank #120 |W: 0 |L: 0
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HAWKMAN
Middleweight
Rank #186 |W: 9 |L: 11
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Main Event


FIRE vs SPIDER-MAN

FIRE
Middleweight
Rank #98 |W: 1 |L: 1
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SPIDER-MAN
Middleweight
Rank #46 |W: 14 |L: 12
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REMATCH


ANGEL vs ROBIN

ANGEL
Middleweight
Rank #192 |W: 2 |L: 4
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Powers & Skills

 
ROBIN
Lightweight
Rank #137 |W: 8 |L: 9
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relentless1
relentless1 - 5/23/2014, 1:03 AM
hmm, well Metallo has durability and strength enough to go up against Superman but Sandman can't really be harmed physically so I voted for Metallo but I'm inclined to say its a draw

Hawkmans faster in flight and could get up close to hammer Goblin with some Nth metal goodness

Spidey can hang with Human Torch he could find a way to douse Fire

Robin could take Angel, Man Bat is more of a challenge than Angel is, Archangel on the other hand would require a Nightwing upgrade...
jojofmd
jojofmd - 5/23/2014, 2:55 PM
Great fights today as they take some actual thought.

So......

Metallo vs Sandman. First of all you cannot use Metallo's feats versus Superman as a benchmark as he is powered by and uses the vary thing that is Superman's weakness. So his blows hurt superman not because he is as strong as him but because Superman is weak due to the kryptonite. So any feats versus Superman need to be disregarded.
Secondly, any energy beams Metallo use would be in the form of Kryptonite radiation. All that would do to Sandman is give him cancer in about 20 years.
Thirdly, his strength and powers fluctuate, as he can assimilate different metal to make himself stronger. So if this takes place in a desert, he's screwed, Sandman would have the advantage. However if it takes place in a junkyard he'd get the upper hand. Under power and skills it says about 10 tons. That seems reasonable so we'll use that to compare to Sandman.
Sandman has complete control of his sand conversion and has a top end strength of 85 tons. Even if you chop that in half, he's hitting Metallo at over 4 times his strength level. Sandman would obliterate that cyborg. Sandman wins.

LoudLon
LoudLon - 5/23/2014, 3:16 PM
Marvel sweep for me today.

Metallo vs Sandman -- what makes Metallo able to take on Superman has absolutely no effect whatsoever on non-Kyrptonians. Sandman can alter his density to where a fist will pass harmlessly through him, or become so dense that he can shrug off blows from the likes of The Thing. Plus the fact that he has complete control of every particle of sand which makes up his body means he can infiltrate the very mechanisms which power Metallo. If you think you find sand in every nook and cranny when you go to the beach annoying, imagine how much worse it would be if the beach was alive.

Green Goblin II vs Hawkman -- HM's armor doesn't cover every inch of his body. Good luck attacking after GG's sliced his arm off with a razor-sharp batarang or blown it off with a pumpkin bomb.

Spider-Man vs Fire -- Fire's only hope of leaving this fight without her ass being kicked would be if she were to remain in fire form throughout, but since Spidey's too fast for her to tag with a fireblast, that wouldn't make for much of a fight. She'd be better off not showing up for the fight at all.

Angel vs Robin -- this is a no-brainer for me. If it was Batman vs Angel then this would likely prove an interesting fight, but Robin? A well-trained 12-year-old human boy is still just a human 12-year-old boy; Angel is a mutant with increased (though not superhuman) strength, speed and durability, the ability to fly, and experience fighting a wider range of opponents than street thugs and the occasional homicidal maniac, and is no slouch in h2h himself (even in his earliest X-Men appearances he was shown as being pretty damn tough in a fist-fight).

Prep time is neither here nor there; Robin's big idea of prep would be to have Batman on standby, while Angel could have on standby any number of friends who'd mop the floor with Bats (like Cyclops, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Wolverine, Jean Grey...). So I'm doing Robin and Batman both a favor by not even taking prep into consideration. There'd be no avoiding the fact that in order for him to beat Angel, Robin would have to take him on head-to-head. And he'd get his ass kicked.
jojofmd
jojofmd - 5/23/2014, 3:16 PM
Next....

GGII versus Hawkman.

This is a great battle. a superhuman powered maniac who can fly and throw incendiary bombs versus an ageless human with alien technology.

GGII has a 10 ton strength level, superhuman agility and speed. He can fly due to the glider, though he can be separated from it.

Hawkman, doesn't really use ranged weapon even though he is a skilled marksman, something he learned in a past life. So using the mace or flail he takes on GGII. The nth metal has been shown to protect him from the blows of Black Adam. While Black Adam defeats Hawks, GGII is no where near as strong or tough as BA. Hawks is also a tactical genius something GGII is not. If it were his father, that would be a different story.

So tactically speaking Hawks could win. GGII is still faster and stronger than him, plus has the bombs. The flight cancels each other out in advantage, though GGII can be separated from his flying device. So if Hawks can manage a few blows, I give this to Hawks.
relentless1
relentless1 - 5/23/2014, 3:49 PM
@ loudlon, no way Cyclops beats Batman
jojofmd
jojofmd - 5/23/2014, 3:52 PM
Fire versus Spidey. - This is a great match up. Spidey has the advantage of sparring with Human Torch for years and knowing that on occasion HT has beaten him. He can use those experiences to come up with a battle strategy versus Fire.
Fire can hit him with um...fire and can has the interesting power of allowing objects to pass through her. So Spidey can't really hit her, and she'll have a tough time hitting him due to his sense. It comes down to tactics and experience. Where HT has gotten the edge over spidey, he's burned him out of rooms or burned the very ground he was crawling on etc. Spidey is aware of these weaknesses and can avoid them. Fire would obviously know that water is hers. If Spidey land a blow he'd win, but that's a big IF. (get it) ;) If fire can surround him in fire she could asphyxiate him (yes it could happen, though it is harder to do it). Given the complex variables and the fact that neither can get a true edge I am calling a draw. If I did vote it would be to cancel out Loudy's. ;)
jojofmd
jojofmd - 5/23/2014, 3:56 PM
Last but not least Angel versus Robin.

This is Robin, a young crime fighter versus a super powered millionaire who has been training and fighting in a paramilitary force for decades. He can fly, he is stronger and faster. We could talk rematch all you want.
Robin brings the Bat family, Angel brings the Xmen. Unless Robin includes the Supes family, Teen Titans or JL in that, Angel wins. So lets through out "bringing of anything".
Robin nails him with a bolo. The wings would rip through that thing. He'd fly up slap him with a wing and beat the crap out of the kid. Angel wins this.
relentless1
relentless1 - 5/23/2014, 6:02 PM
I think batman can beat Wolverine more often than not and it all boils down to the fact that Wolverine is supposed to be a regular human besides the healing factor. Batman has all he needs to beat wolverine on his belt at all times, namely a sonar device that could scramble his hearing and flash bang grenades that could seriously [frick] up his vision, the fact that Logan is a regular human means that Batman can subdue him with his cuffs or one of those ballistic gel grenades he's got on him. Don't get me wrong, Logan is a great fighter but I think batman is much more cunning than Wolverine and he's not afraid to fight dirty either.
jojofmd
jojofmd - 5/23/2014, 6:57 PM
^You're assuming Wolverine doesn't? He's an assassin. He takes cheap shots and isn't afraid to do what it takes to win. Now, I'm not a wolvie fan, he's ridiculously overpowered and overexposed. However, Virile is right, unless it's a rematch and Bats is prepped to the gills, wolvie wins this every time.
unknownfacts
unknownfacts - 5/23/2014, 8:12 PM
Metallo-krptonite laser is still a laser and last I checked when you super heat sand it turns to glass.

Hawkman-Goby has the strenght advantage but Hawkman's skills and nth metal armor give him an endurance advantage.

Fire-Her flame body pretty much negates his webbing and after that all he got left is to punch and kick her which is a pretty bad idea.Simply put he has no way of harming her while she still has every attack option open to her(i.e.Smoke inhalation,immolation,etc).

Robin-Stealth take down via mutant inhibitor collar.Face it the Bat family uses their tactics,tools,and timing to out fight most super powered foes instead of a flat out brawl like most heroes.While there is a chance their plans could fail there's also a chance it could succeed.As for bringing in their crew this isn't a gang war I highly doubt the X-men would show up to fight one human teenager and Batman would tell Robin to handle it on his own.
LoudLon
LoudLon - 5/24/2014, 12:34 PM
@relentless -- Batman beats Cyclops? I don't know what you're smoking, but can I have some?

What does Batman have in the way of defense that could possibly stand up to Cyke's optic blasts? And h2h -- Bats is absolutely the better h2h fighter (though Cyke's no slouch himself) but you do realize the absolute worst place to be when fighting Cyclops is right in front of him throwing punches at him, yes? In a rematch I'd give it to Bats -- MAYBE -- but in a first encounter or non-prep scenario, Bats would be a red smear on the pavement.
relentless1
relentless1 - 5/24/2014, 1:12 PM
Batman has dodged the Omega beam before Im pretty sure he can close the gap and as soon as he sees that Cyclops shoots lasers out of his eye he'd whip out some glue grenade or something to obscure his vision, sure he'd burn right through that but not before Batman knocked him out.
relentless1
relentless1 - 5/24/2014, 1:14 PM
And besides, Cyclops blasts are CONCUSSIVE which means that they don't burn you like a laser would they will hit you like how a punch hits you which means Batmans suit is built to withstand that to some degree
jojofmd
jojofmd - 5/24/2014, 2:09 PM
^So let me get this straight, Cyke has used his blast to knock the hammer from Thor's hand, to blow the top off a mountain, to pierce the skin of the blob and is measured in the 2 gigawatt range and you think Batman's armor is going to "withstand it to some degree"?!?!?! How about 0.01 of a degree. If he catches him with the blast he's a blood stained smear. Yes Batman has dodged the Omega beam before, but the beam doesn't work like Cyke's blast. Plus the Omega beam is very focused, Cyke can make his beam very wide and all encompassing. IF bats can dodge the beam and get close, he could rip the mask off cyke's face. However if Cyke cuts loose instead of covering his eyes he'll wipe out Bats and every thing around him.
jojofmd
jojofmd - 5/24/2014, 3:13 PM
Virile agrees with me? Did I fall into an alternate dimension? ;)
LoudLon
LoudLon - 5/24/2014, 5:52 PM
Yeah, I know Cyke's blasts are concussive, and have nothing to do with heat (which is why I bitched so much a while back when Marvel had Cyke and Wolverine fight -- how the hell was Wolverine SMOLDERING from blasts which produce no heat??? But anyway...)

Cyke can alter the width and radius of his blasts with his visor; that's what it's there for, because without it, if he opens his eyes the blasts are completely unleashed and will basically destroy everything within his field of vision. Unless Bats has a shield made of Cyke's own flesh or ruby quartz (the only two things immune to Cyke's optic blasts) he's a dead man -- no ifs, ands or buts. Come at him in the Batmobile? Cyke blasts a hole through it. Come at him bare-handed? Cyke blasts a hole through him. Throw Robin at him to distract him? Cyke blasts a hole through both of them. Because while Batman's suit may provide him with some degree of protection from blunt force, Cyke's blast produce enough blunt force to level a building. Can Batman's suit handle that?

Answer: Big, fat no.

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