My Theory for the Horsemen of Apocalypse

My Theory for the Horsemen of Apocalypse

I'm sure we all have theories of who will will see working with Apocalypse in the upcoming movie, here are mine!

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By AvatarIII - May 17, 2014 09:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Fan Fic
I have a theory for who will be the Hosremen of Apocalypse in X-Men: Apocalypse (2016)  I am 70-80% sure that the horsemen will be Cyclops (Famine, as he was the Minister of Famine in AoA), Jean Grey (War no precedent in the comics, but would be cool), Gambit (Death, as in Blood of Apocalypse) and Mister Sinister (Pestilence as in Age of Apocalypse)

Cyclops I would like to see back, it would explain why he has not shown up yet, as they could explain he was kidnapped by Mr sinister at a young age, they could potentially have him have aged slower to explain why his brother was about 20 in 1962 and Cyclops was only in his late 20s in the year 2000, a 30 year age gap doesn't make much sense unless they are father/son, or Cyclops hasn't aged since being a teenager.

Cyclops Earth 295


Jean Grey is an important character, who, to tie in with the end of The Last Stand could have been kidnapped by Sinister after that origin sequence, being so obviously powerful she would be a good pick, she could also invoke Dark Phoenix.

Dark Phoenix


Gambit needs to come back, and probably is coming back in Apocalypse, it only makes sense to bring him back as Death, as he has precedent in the comics. make-up and such would make the change from Taylor to Channing less jarring too.

Death Gambit


Mister Sinister is a no brainer, if you are doing Apocalypse, you can't not do Sinister, he's also a huge fan favourite. I wouldn't be surprised (or annoyed) if they got Kevin Bacon to play Sinister and say that Nathaniel Essex and Sebastian Shaw were the same person all along. Both are and followers of Apocalypse in the comics, and it would save time on giving him his comics origin. A long time acolyte of Apocalypse, he could have been resurrected after First Class as Mister Sinister, the Gem in his forehead sitting where Magneto pushed that coin!

Mr Sinister


Sebastian Shaw Death


Thanks for reading, let me know what you thnk below!
I am 70-80% sure that the horsemen will be Cyclops (Famine, as he was the Minister of Famine in AoA), Jean Grey (War no precedent in the comics, but would be cool), Gambit (Death, as in Blood of Apocalypse) and Mr Sinister (Pestilence as in Age of Apocalypse)

Cyclops I would like to see back, it would explain why he has not shown up yet, as they could explain he was kidnapped by Mr sinister at a young age, they could potentially have him have aged slower to explain why his brother was about 20 in 1962 and Cyclops was only in his late 20s in the year 2000, a 30 year age gap doesn't make much sense unless they are father/son, or Cyclops hasn't aged since being a teenager.

Jean Grey is an important character, who, to tie in with the end of The Last Stand could have been kidnapped by Sinister after that origin sequence, being so obviously powerful she would be a good pick.

Gambit needs to come back, and probably is coming back in Apocalypse, it only makes sense to bring him back as Death, as he has precedent in the comics. make-up and such would make the change from Taylor to Channing less jarring too.

Mister Sinister is a no brainer, if you are doing Apocalypse, you can't not do Sinister, he's also a huge fan favourite. I wouldn't be surprised (or annoyed) if they got Kevin Bacon to play Sinister and say that Nathaniel Essex and Sebastian Shaw were the same person all along, both are and followers of Apocalypse in the comics, and it would save time on giving him his comics origin. A long time acolyte of Apocalypse, he could have been resurrected after First Class as Mister Sinister, the Gem in his forehead sitting where Magneto pushed the coin in when he killed him.
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dfgdfgI am 70-80% sure that the horsemen will be Cyclops (Famine, as he was the Minister of Famine in AoA), Jean Grey (War no precedent in the comics, but would be cool), Gambit (Death, as in Blood of Apocalypse) and Mr Sinister (Pestilence as in Age of Apocalypse)

Cyclops I would like to see back, it would explain why he has not shown up yet, as they could explain he was kidnapped by Mr sinister at a young age, they could potentially have him have aged slower to explain why his brother was about 20 in 1962 and Cyclops was only in his late 20s in the year 2000, a 30 year age gap doesn't make much sense unless they are father/son, or Cyclops hasn't aged since being a teenager.

Jean Grey is an important character, who, to tie in with the end of The Last Stand could have been kidnapped by Sinister after that origin sequence, being so obviously powerful she would be a good pick.

Gambit needs to come back, and probably is coming back in Apocalypse, it only makes sense to bring him back as Death, as he has precedent in the comics. make-up and such would make the change from Taylor to Channing less jarring too.

Mister Sinister is a no brainer, if you are doing Apocalypse, you can't not do Sinister, he's also a huge fan favourite. I wouldn't be surprised (or annoyed) if they got Kevin Bacon to play Sinister and say that Nathaniel Essex and Sebastian Shaw were the same person all along, both are and followers of Apocalypse in the comics, and it would save time on giving him his comics origin. A long time acolyte of Apocalypse, he could have been resurrected after First Class as Mister Sinister, the Gem in his forehead sitting where Magneto pushed the coin in when he killed him.
Read more at http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/KingPatel/news/?a=100264#W1aZDm7odzdDJLM7.99
I am 70-80% sure that the horsemen will be Cyclops (Famine, as he was the Minister of Famine in AoA), Jean Grey (War no precedent in the comics, but would be cool), Gambit (Death, as in Blood of Apocalypse) and Mr Sinister (Pestilence as in Age of Apocalypse)

Cyclops I would like to see back, it would explain why he has not shown up yet, as they could explain he was kidnapped by Mr sinister at a young age, they could potentially have him have aged slower to explain why his brother was about 20 in 1962 and Cyclops was only in his late 20s in the year 2000, a 30 year age gap doesn't make much sense unless they are father/son, or Cyclops hasn't aged since being a teenager.

Jean Grey is an important character, who, to tie in with the end of The Last Stand could have been kidnapped by Sinister after that origin sequence, being so obviously powerful she would be a good pick.

Gambit needs to come back, and probably is coming back in Apocalypse, it only makes sense to bring him back as Death, as he has precedent in the comics. make-up and such would make the change from Taylor to Channing less jarring too.

Mister Sinister is a no brainer, if you are doing Apocalypse, you can't not do Sinister, he's also a huge fan favourite. I wouldn't be surprised (or annoyed) if they got Kevin Bacon to play Sinister and say that Nathaniel Essex and Sebastian Shaw were the same person all along, both are and followers of Apocalypse in the comics, and it would save time on giving him his comics origin. A long time acolyte of Apocalypse, he could have been resurrected after First Class as Mister Sinister, the Gem in his forehead sitting where Magneto pushed the coin in when he killed him.
Read more at http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/KingPatel/news/?a=100264#W1aZDm7odzdDJLM7.99
I am 70-80% sure that the horsemen will be Cyclops (Famine, as he was the Minister of Famine in AoA), Jean Grey (War no precedent in the comics, but would be cool), Gambit (Death, as in Blood of Apocalypse) and Mr Sinister (Pestilence as in Age of Apocalypse)

Cyclops I would like to see back, it would explain why he has not shown up yet, as they could explain he was kidnapped by Mr sinister at a young age, they could potentially have him have aged slower to explain why his brother was about 20 in 1962 and Cyclops was only in his late 20s in the year 2000, a 30 year age gap doesn't make much sense unless they are father/son, or Cyclops hasn't aged since being a teenager.

Jean Grey is an important character, who, to tie in with the end of The Last Stand could have been kidnapped by Sinister after that origin sequence, being so obviously powerful she would be a good pick.

Gambit needs to come back, and probably is coming back in Apocalypse, it only makes sense to bring him back as Death, as he has precedent in the comics. make-up and such would make the change from Taylor to Channing less jarring too.

Mister Sinister is a no brainer, if you are doing Apocalypse, you can't not do Sinister, he's also a huge fan favourite. I wouldn't be surprised (or annoyed) if they got Kevin Bacon to play Sinister and say that Nathaniel Essex and Sebastian Shaw were the same person all along, both are and followers of Apocalypse in the comics, and it would save time on giving him his comics origin. A long time acolyte of Apocalypse, he could have been resurrected after First Class as Mister Sinister, the Gem in his forehead sitting where Magneto pushed the coin in when he killed him.
Read more at http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/KingPatel/news/?a=100264#W1aZDm7odzdDJLM7.99
I am 70-80% sure that the horsemen will be Cyclops (Famine, as he was the Minister of Famine in AoA), Jean Grey (War no precedent in the comics, but would be cool), Gambit (Death, as in Blood of Apocalypse) and Mr Sinister (Pestilence as in Age of Apocalypse)

Cyclops I would like to see back, it would explain why he has not shown up yet, as they could explain he was kidnapped by Mr sinister at a young age, they could potentially have him have aged slower to explain why his brother was about 20 in 1962 and Cyclops was only in his late 20s in the year 2000, a 30 year age gap doesn't make much sense unless they are father/son, or Cyclops hasn't aged since being a teenager.

Jean Grey is an important character, who, to tie in with the end of The Last Stand could have been kidnapped by Sinister after that origin sequence, being so obviously powerful she would be a good pick.

Gambit needs to come back, and probably is coming back in Apocalypse, it only makes sense to bring him back as Death, as he has precedent in the comics. make-up and such would make the change from Taylor to Channing less jarring too.

Mister Sinister is a no brainer, if you are doing Apocalypse, you can't not do Sinister, he's also a huge fan favourite. I wouldn't be surprised (or annoyed) if they got Kevin Bacon to play Sinister and say that Nathaniel Essex and Sebastian Shaw were the same person all along, both are and followers of Apocalypse in the comics, and it would save time on giving him his comics origin. A long time acolyte of Apocalypse, he could have been resurrected after First Class as Mister Sinister, the Gem in his forehead sitting where Magneto pushed the coin in when he killed him.
Read more at http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/KingPatel/news/?a=100264#W1aZDm7odzdDJLM7.99
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Bearjew
Bearjew - 5/17/2014, 9:22 AM
Mister Sinister is easy to explain, just have a sequence at the beginning where Scott is in the planecrash, he wakes up and finds the his mutant power has manifest and Nathaniel Essex comes and gives him ruby quartz glasses to help him control. Nathaniel can be like he is in the comics, an 18th century man given mutant powers to serve Apocalypse.
Bearjew
Bearjew - 5/17/2014, 9:23 AM
The gem can be explained as a fragment of the legendary cyttorak gem to enhance his power.
AvatarIII
AvatarIII - 5/17/2014, 9:36 AM
Oh of course it can be explained, but both Essex and Shaw are really old dudes, both from the Victorian era, it is implied in First Class that Shaw is really old, he could have been following Apocalypse his whole life.
Honestly I just think it would be cool to see Kevin Bacon back, and think it would work for the story. Have Apocalypse resurrect Shaw as Mr Sinister then have Sinister find Cyclops. I understand your reluctance to the idea of merging the two characters though.
CherryBomb
CherryBomb - 5/17/2014, 10:02 AM
Nice!

I guess it depends which timeline they definitively go with. They say the First Class younger X Men but they've hinted at the original cast maybe being involved.

If so, Rogue could be awesome. I'd like to see her as a bad-ass villain for Apocalypse.
Maybe have Gambit try and charm her and win her over in the end and make her good again.
CherryBomb
CherryBomb - 5/17/2014, 10:03 AM
Could always bring Azazel, Emma Frost, Riptide and Angel S from the dead as the Horsemen.

Nomadic1
Nomadic1 - 5/17/2014, 11:44 AM
Remember, Singer does not read (or care about) the comics, so just because it happened it the comics does not mean anything. Although, you have some good ideas there.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 5/17/2014, 1:24 PM
Sinister is my favorite X-villain.
I know some people might deny it, might claim that I'm grasping at straws or that it's just a bunch of coincidences, but a certain Resident Evil character was based off of Mr Sinister....

WESKER.



Consider Chris a Cyclops of sorts, Umbrella to be Apocalypse, the T-Virus to be his obsession with the Phoenix Force, Ada Wong to be Gambit, and things start falling into play.

RE5 even made people think that Jill was a clone, like Madelyne Pryor.
wookiefit
wookiefit - 5/17/2014, 1:44 PM
I think Scott is a great choice. I agree with Cherry, it all depends on which time line or period they use. Most likely Wolverine or Sabertooth for Death, unless FOX pics up a book a goes with Angel.
SteveBosell
SteveBosell - 5/17/2014, 2:38 PM
I definitely want to see Arcangel as a horseman of Apocalypse.
wookiefit
wookiefit - 5/17/2014, 2:45 PM
Funny side note: My oldest daughter has been watching the Ultimate Spider-Man and now loves DeadPool. She asked me if he's ever been in a movie. At this point I explained Wolverine: Origins to her. She went and looked it up and watched it and had one comment. "Did the people that made this movie ever read a comicbook?" From the mouth of a kid ladies and gentleman. That's why I don't pay to see FOX-Men movies anymore.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 5/17/2014, 3:43 PM
Given the fact that Apocalypse almost always manipulates a character's powers to act as the four horseman plagues, there are a long list of characters that could be the horsemen. However, when Apocalypse alters a mutant's power, it is usually something that can be easily explained into working a different way.

Having said that, Cyclops wouldn't make sense as Famine. He would make more sense as War, especially since he is such a tactical genius.

Rogue would make more sense as Famine by having Apoc alter her powers to sap their strength, or by speeding up their metabolism, which would in turn make them incredibly weak, starving, and possibly die. This would be very similar to what her powers already do, just with a slight variation, which is exactly what Apoc does.

Pestilence could be anybody, as well as Death.

Apoc usually infects Pestilence with numerous diseases which can be released onto victims. So this could be given to anyone.

Death is basically anyine that is good at killing. So this could be a lot of people as well. Wolverine fits the bill the best, though I doubt they would do that in the movie, even though it would be awesome to see a berserker raged Wolverine fighting the X-Men on screen.

At the end of the day, Apocalypse's Horsemen USUALLY consist of characters that are largely unimportant, and then one big name character as Death. Gambit, Archangel, Wolverine, Polaris, Sunfire, and Caliban have all been turned into Horsemen at one point. Gambit, Angel, and Wolverine were all Death while Polaris was Famine and Sunfire was Pestilence.

Either way, Fox and Singer are known for doing their own things so there is ko telling what could be in the movie.

Also, Sinister is my favorite comic villain of all time. Making him and Shaw the same person is blasphemy.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 5/17/2014, 3:45 PM
Sorry, got that backwards, Polaris was Pestilence and Sunfire was Famine.
CherryBomb
CherryBomb - 5/17/2014, 5:16 PM
I still think it seems strange that they just killed off Azazel, Emma, Riptide and Angel S, off screen instead of just having them be captured or run away or something. Plus there's 4 of them, so it makes sense for them to be the Four Horseman, they also have ties and are familiar with Professor X and Magneto.

Emma Frost - Pestilence (errm disease of the mind?)


Angel Salvadore - Famine (she has bug-like powers which can be related to sworms of locust destroying crops etc)


Riptide - War (for his sheer ability to cause destruction with his hurricanes)


Azazel - Death (he's an assassin who was able to kill multiple people at once, also his demon like appearance)
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 5/17/2014, 6:35 PM
I had thought that about Apocalypse and his horsemen BEFORE I read the comics - I think a lot of people took to the video game as their entry point, or maybe that was just me. At any rate, once I picked up the Fall of Mutants issues and that more recent one after M-Day, I saw that things were quite different.

Gambit and Angel were both the Horsemen of Death. They didn't have the ability to make people die instantaneously, and only Angel really symbolized death (considering he was both suicidal due to having his wings amputated and believed dead in a plane crash at the time)... in fact, the only real "augmentation" lied within their appearances.

In both stories, some random guys were picked for War, and they had no connection with any other X-Men or mutant for that matter, having only appeared to be abducted. Again, Fall of Mutants was a bit more symbolical - the veteran (I don't even think he was a mutant) was paralyzed and kept alive by machines, feeling isolated and abandoned. Apocalypse gave him full mobility, and powers just like Arclight in 'the Last Stand'. Post M-Day, some depowered mutant astronaut goes to the moon to die, and gets abducted, thrown into a chamber with some other guy, and basically the one who kills the other was to become War, but Apocalypse's servant did the dirty work for him. He just had power weapons, and had his body bulked up.

Pestilence BEGAN with an augmentation of plague powers - a random Morlock named "Plague" was picked to have her powers enhanced. She's exclusive to the Fall of Mutants. Post M-Day, it was Polaris, and she was having a serious mental breakdown as a result of the stress the use of her powers had caused her mind overtime. I guess in that way, she was harming herself, but her abilities are the same as Magneto's. When she's kidnapped, Apocalypse makes her a carrier of every airborne pathogen, and threatens to release her on the United Nations.

Famine was pretty obvious in Fall of Mutants, just like Pestilence. She was a mutant who had problems with her powers, was anorexic, and dissolved organic matter. After Apocalypse gets done with her, she makes everyone she targets waste away in the most ridiculous way possible. After M-Day, Sunfire (who had his legs chopped off by Deathstrike) is given prosthetic limbs, and his fire powers have an added effect of making people think they are starving (a signal to the brain produced in his light bursts that affects the body).

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I had an idea that's not possible now about incorporating the Horsemen into events triggered by servants (both willingly and indirectly) of Apocalypse, with the help of Sinister. Sinister would have been the shapeshifting bad guy who puts everyone against each other, and convinces Trask to weaponize the Sentinels.

On that front, Sinister would pose as Trask and program/install an EMP in every Sentinel.

WAR!
The Sentinels would openly attack mutants, leading to some pacifists to lash out. The X-Men in particular would be divided, as some would take human hostages in order to guarantee their safety, on top of defending themselves. The Sentinels would eventually catch up with the X-Men, bombing the mansion, and forcing them into their secret tunnels. Literally operating underground, the X-Men would find the Morlocks - an entire society of mutants who had been living in hiding years beforehand.

PESTILENCE!
The mutant cure has been delivered to bottling companies, and dumped into the water supply in certain populated areas. While not as potent as the injected payload, the chemical agent has greatly diminished mutant abilities. Many X-Men are overwhelmed while trying to prevent this from continuing, captured, and put into special prison camps.

FAMINE!
In order to level the playing field somewhat, Sinister detonates the Sentinels across the globe - triggering an electronic apocalypse, crippling humans and mutants alike. In the most populated cities, everything with an electronic circuit has been fried, and civilization panics.

DEATH!
Cyclops (accompanied by Sinister) approaches the X-Men, resurrected, and heralds the return of Apocalypse. He orders that they give themselves up, abandon their hope of coexisting, and join the new world order of survival of the fittest. They can leave their lives behind and rise from the ashes of this doomed society as conquerors, or they can perish in the wake of Apocalypse.

Roll credits.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 5/17/2014, 6:40 PM
I like your choices. They are solid and i would want to see each of those character's make a huge impact in Age of Apocalypse.
AvatarIII
AvatarIII - 5/18/2014, 5:19 AM
@TheMexicanSuperman
is that confirmed anywhere? even so, if it is announced that the characters will be in Apoc, that doesn't mean they will be good guys. right?
AvatarIII
AvatarIII - 5/18/2014, 5:37 AM
@CorndogBurglar

I chose Cyclops for Famine because it has precedence in the comics.

also, I understand the idea that making Shaw and Sinister the same person is blasphemy, but I feel like Shaw in First class felt like a combination of the 2 characters anyway, and the two have a lot in common, saying that he was Nathaniel Essex first, and just changed his name every few years making him Essex pretending to be Shaw as opposed to Shaw becoming Sinister would be an acceptable compromise, and as said, Fox and Singer like doing their own thing, I could think of a lot of other worse changes to canon that have already been committed in the FoX-Men movie universe.
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