The Amazing Spider-Man : Deeper Meanings Part 2

The Amazing Spider-Man : Deeper Meanings Part 2

In this article, I continue the deeper meanings within this film and why it puts it up there with some of the best CBMs to date.

Editorial Opinion
By Ashes2Phoenix - Jul 08, 2012 08:07 AM EST
Filed Under: Fan Fic

This is a continuation of my other article, The Amazing Spider-Man : Deeper Meanings. You can find that article here : http://www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man_movies/news/?a=63098

Not Ready To Listen To The Voice Message At First :

I have seen countless people suggest that they do not portray Peter's guilt for his Uncle's death very well in this move. I personally disagree and here's why. After Ben has died, Peter is in his room very distraught and begins to listen to a message from his Uncle. During it, he cuts it off midway through because not only is he unable to listen to it because it is still very raw for him but also because he is not ready. Throughout this film they showcase Peter growing. The format of this is extremely different from the Raimi version because in the Raimi version the situation was resolved rather quickly. In this film Peter is learning to cope with the loss of his Uncle and when someone is grieving it can make us do some very stupid things. We are not thinking straight. The death of his Uncle also happens at a time where he has gained these extraordinary abilities and it is a confusing time for him. He feels the way to get over the death of his Uncle is to avenge him and hurt the man responsible for doing so. During this quest Peter attacks people who he believes to be the potential killer. The truth is though it is not about Peter finding the killer it is about the anguish he is feeling at himself. He hurts others because he himself is hurt and doesn't know how to let all this emotion out. He in essence is like a kid who has just found his Dad's gun. He is pointing it at people but does not know the full consequences of doing such a thing. He is doing it for his own personal gain, to make himself feel better. This basically tells the responsibility lesson why in a slightly different way around. In the original, Peter uses his powers for personal gain, which then leads to the events of his Uncle's death. in this version he uses his powers for personal gain after his Uncle dies. Personally I prefer the latter because from a human and emotional standpoint this version, mentally makes more sense.

Once we get to the end of the film, we see Peter finally being able to listen to the message fully. This is very important because again for the people who are saying why did he not listen to his Uncle's words at the beginning, it is because he didn't. He cut it off half way because he did not understand the meaning of what his Uncle was trying to say and he wasn't ready. By the end of the film he is and this is when he fully starts understanding the concepts of responsibility. The picture of the killer still hangs there in his room and I think that is a way of saying to the audience " Don't worry, we know this has not been resolved yet but we have not forgotten about it". This particular theme, will probably play into the sequel as well.



A Bully, Turned Friend:

Flash and Peter's relationship is actually more complex and realistic then people think. Flash as we know in the film, is a bully and likes to humiliate people. Peter stands up to him but does not have the physical strength to put him in his place. It is not until Peter fully stands up to Flash and humiliates him that Flash begins to calm down.

I knew someone at school that used to be bullied by this guy. Everyday the guy would give him stick, until one day the person he was humiliating flipped out and put him in his place. After that they began to become friends and it is because the bully realised that he was going about things the wrong way. Sometimes they need to be taken down a peg to realise where they are going wrong.

The fact that Flash tries to say sorry to Peter about his Uncle, gives him a new dimension that was not explored in the original films. It proves that Flash is not a bad guy really. Flash and Peter have a lot more in common than you might think. They mirror each other. Flash has power that he abuses much like Peter does and about half way through the film their roles reverse. Peter now has the power which he abuses and attacks people that are weaker than him. I think this connection shows they have a lot more in common then one would think. It shows that even the bully is a human being with feelings. It shows that anyone can be a bully, if they choose to misuse their power over people.

Aunt May Understands The Truth

By the end of the film, I think it is safe to assume that Aunt May knows Peter is Spider-Man. When he returns home beaten and broken she embraces him knowing the truth but the scene itself has another meaning. When she embraces him, she is doing it because she feels so sorry for him and everything that has happened. This is a time period where he has lost his Uncle and she has lost her husband. It is a moment where she is basically saying, I know things have been rough but I want you to know that I am here for you and I love you, as if you were my own. I think this is a truly beautiful moment because it is the first time they have a moment to realise their grief. When you lose someone close to you it can sometimes become a very taboo subject. People become afraid to say something because they worry it will upset people. This is the first moment in the film they both are accepting what happened to them and that they are ready to move forward. People say Sally Fields was not given enough to do but in my opinion she was given enough of what was needed of her. She felt like a real parent who cares about her son or in this case her adopted son. She waits up for him if he doesn't return home and worries about him. You couldn't ask for much more than that really.

The Crane Scene:

This particular scene has been labelled "cheesy" by many, but for me it wasn't because there was much more to it than that. A helpless Spider-Man is desperately trying to make his way to Oscorp, to save the city from devastation. He is injured from the gunshot wound and all hope appears to be lost. Then the cranes begin to move into place and in a weird way it kind of reminded me of Moses and the sea breaking open to create a perfect and straight route for him, to make it to his destination. Spidey webs the gunshot wound to put pressure on it and even though he is in pain and could easily give up there he doesn't. He manages to find the courage in himself to continue moving forward. He starts off limping and goes into a full run and at that point is him embracing the needs of others over his own. That scene screamed the heart of a hero for me and really got my heart beating. He then begins gaining momentum as he swings through the city and this is the first time we see him swinging high above the streets of New York. He is embracing the hero within and it is a very exciting ands satisfying moment in my opinion.


This film has really left me hungry for the sequel because most CBMs do not have this kind of depth to them. The most notable ones are Spider-Man 2, Batman Begins and TDK. This film has managed to bring depth to the table and if this is a sign of things to come, I am very excited to see where they go next and hope they can continue this kind of depth. As I mentioned in my last article, there are flaws in this film. Some editing and pacing issues and the lack of character development for Connors but in all honesty this film is first and foremost about Peter Parker. I ave seen some review state that his character is one dimensional but I could not disagree more.

I personally feel this film has had a vendetta against it from day one. People have been very quick to attack this film but I ask them this are we forgetting Spider-Man 3 here ? It left that last series nearly in tatters and I feel a fourth movie of that series would have only made things worse. It was time for a change and I personally believe this was the right thing to do. We have been given a character who feels like a real person and that is a very hard thing to come by, especially in CBMs.

What do you think ? Was this film deeper than you expected or are you still disappointed they rebooted ? Sound off below.

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Tainted87
Tainted87 - 7/8/2012, 9:04 AM
Honestly, when I was watching it yesterday, I thought that Peter is *this* close to being portrayed as a villain. I think that line of thought came about when Peter is asked by Gwen on the bleachers if he's afraid of his new power.

Bully turned friend - well yeah, now Flash is his buddy. Why? I got the idea that it was probably because Flash is meant to be an orphan too, or lost loved ones and is taking it out through bullying, but it's never said. There's also no reason Flash should want to be his friend now. More exploration required, and we'll be getting that in the sequel, because of Gwen's introduction in this movie.

But back to the whole villain aspect - Peter doesn't help anyone after he gets his spider-powers. Let me rephrase that: he doesn't help anyone who he thinks he isn't obligated to help.

He believes he helped make Doctor Connors into the Lizard. Anyone who Connors hurts, Peter feels he has to help. The people on the bridge - he saves them. The people infected, he saves them. When he's hunting his Uncle Ben's killer, he has no care for anything or anyone else. He keeps his Aunt May up worrying about him and coming come with bruises and cuts on his face don't help her much.

Peter has not learned a thing about the whole "with great power comes great responsibility", nor did he take in what his Uncle Ben said about his dad's methodology of helping people because he has the ability to do so.

Spider-man is not a superhero in this movie.
Ashes2Phoenix
Ashes2Phoenix - 7/8/2012, 9:15 AM
See I agree with what you say to a certain extent but I also disagree. By the end of the film Peter is starting to understand the concepts of responsibility. In the closing credits he looks down at police cars obviously on their way to the scene of a crime. He has learned to help others. Although I completely agree with Peter almost becomes the villain during this film. You should read my first article. I think I have addressed some of the things you bring up.

Also keeping up Aunt May at night is a great example of being a teenager and making your parents worry. I think what works so well in this film, is that he is not perfect. He makes mistakes like you or me and that makes him extremely relatable.
invinciblespidey
invinciblespidey - 7/8/2012, 9:51 AM
Tainted87: Just because Peter isn't the straightforward superhero until towards the end of the film doesn't necessarily make him the villain. The point of this article is that Spider-Man doesn't become the full hero we all want him to be until the end of the movie. I think there is a lot of power in the way that this film presents it as a coming of age story. Peter prior to saving the kid is vengeful vigilante, much like what Captain Stacy said. Its during that scene he learns what it mean to protect the innocent.

I really enjoyed this article. I also agree that this film has had a vendetta against it since day one. If you look at most of the reviews, they rely too heavily on making comparisons to the first film or talking about the sausage making that led to this film. I think its unfair to cast and crew of this wonderful film to rely on such a narrow point of view.

Like most children, Peter did not understand what his Uncle Ben was trying to teach him. Instead isolating his lessons to one quote, Marc Webb chose to make everything Uncle Ben said and did about that. It is not until the end of the film that Peter understands what Uncle Ben was trying to say to him.

This film is not about Peter Parker being a superhero. It is about Peter Parker learning how to be a better person, and by using his powers as a better person, he becomes a superhero. In the process of becoming a better person, the most important thing is not to be perfect and not make mistakes, but learn from your mistakes.
Ashes2Phoenix
Ashes2Phoenix - 7/8/2012, 10:20 AM
See I personally believe invinciblespidey, hits the nail on the head. Different opinions I guess.
Ashes2Phoenix
Ashes2Phoenix - 7/8/2012, 12:13 PM
See this is where I disagree with you yet again. You may have gone into the film seeking Spider-Man but that is not what makes this character so great. You take away the Peter Parker character and he becomes one-dimensional. Peter Parker is the heart and soul of Spider-Man. The fact the made Peter seem like a real person in this film is what makes it great.

The reason why the new Batman films are doing so well is because of Bruce Waynes development as a character. It gives Batman layers rather than just being a man i a mask.

I also disagree that Peter only goes out to save people from the situation he has created. In the bridge scene he doesn't know that The Lizard was potentially his causing. He went to save those people because they were in trouble. It was not for his own benefit. Before he saves the kid, he has a choice to pursue The Lizard or save the kid. He makes the right choice and saves the kid, becoming a hero for the first time in the process.
Ashes2Phoenix
Ashes2Phoenix - 7/8/2012, 1:08 PM
Yes indeed you are correct but it is Bruce that creates Batman and that symbol. He is the person that feels the pain. When Rachel is killed it is a very important scene because Bruce is sat staring into his mask. It is the man that relates to us as a viewer that makes the symbolism in the movie work.
AgentZero
AgentZero - 7/8/2012, 1:37 PM
"Deeper meaning" ? Did the filmmakers even think about these things ?
I think some of you are going way too far. It's just a movie guys. It doesn't change anything when you dwelve in all its aspects.

Ashes2Phoenix
Ashes2Phoenix - 7/8/2012, 1:46 PM
These are just assumptions on what I was viewing. I do this with most films and this film had quite a few. I can go into it as much as I want when I have free time. I don't see anything wrong with it personally. I am also pretty certain this is what the filmmakers were getting at, it just wasn't as obvious.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 7/9/2012, 8:28 AM
It isn't that I saw Peter as a villain-type, but much more of an anti-hero. The progression isn't in line with other superheroes. Peter should want to give it his ALL from the start (the start being, after his uncle dies) and then find out after hitting the pavement over and over again that it isn't easy.

His ambition should be outside his reach, not the other way around. It's like getting senioritis Freshman year.

Another point detracting from the Spider-man we all know from the comics and the Raimi movies, is the fight between Peter and a half-dozen men in the alleys and a rooftop. He retreats. The costume isn't what gives him confidence - look what he did to Flash in school.

Now we can argue that Peter's fighting skills are pretty low, especially since for all we know, he really hasn't been in much of a fight before... but then what happened on the subway train? Inconsistencies like these detract from the experience.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 7/9/2012, 8:44 AM
Extremely inconsistent, especially with the retcon in the third one, or Spider-man's measure of strength and endurance.

But this is a pretty big one.
GarfieldFan
GarfieldFan - 7/9/2012, 9:17 PM
@BattlinMurdock "I came to see a Spider-Man movie. Parker is not interesting to me."

Peter Parker is inside the Spider-Man suit, so how is he not interesting to you? If you came to only see Spider-Man, there are many of them during Halloween. If you want to see a GOOD spiderman, i suggest you watch the movie again and see what Andrew Garfield does with the character.

@Ashes2Phoenix YOU ARE AWESOME
jasonrage
jasonrage - 7/11/2012, 1:04 PM
I agree with the comment you made about Aunt May. The scene where Peter tells her to go back to sleep and she snaps at Peter and yells, "I can't sleep!", It was well acted, for a second there, Sally Fields was my mother yelling at me for staying out all night shortly after my father died. Although I was not out fighting criminals.
BritishAvenger
BritishAvenger - 11/28/2012, 5:08 PM
@Tainted87 (about your first comment) Peter didn't know Conners was the lizard during the scene on the bridge and when he is talking to Gwen on the bleachers about stopping him being his responsibility. After he found out he starts talking about stopping him cause he helped create him. I think it was after the discussion with Captain Stacy that he decided to be a hero and do the right thing to protect innocent people, not that he had to because it was his fault. Meaning he is a hero and not bordering on villain in my opinion.

@Ashes2Pheonix Great article man! Pretty much agree with everything you have said. Cant wait for the sequel.
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