Is AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY's Doctor Doom From THE FANTASTIC FOUR's Reality? We May Have An Answer - SPOILERS

Is AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY's Doctor Doom From THE FANTASTIC FOUR's Reality? We May Have An Answer - SPOILERS

Marvel's First Family will clash with Robert Downey Jr.'s Doctor Doom in Avengers: Doomsday, but does he hail from the reality we'll first visit in The Fantastic Four: First Steps? Here's the latest...

By JoshWilding - Jun 18, 2025 11:06 AM EST
Filed Under: Fantastic Four
Source: The Cosmic Circus

The Fantastic Four: First Steps is set in a parallel reality and features a version of Marvel's First Family that hails from a retro-futuristic New York City inspired by the 1960s.

The team will be front and centre in Avengers: Doomsday, and the expectation is that they'll become a permanent part of the new Marvel Cinematic Universe post-Avengers: Secret Wars. We don't know exactly what the MCU will look like after that movie, but The Cosmic Circus' Alex Perez believes the 1960s aesthetic will be a "one-and-done situation." 

The scooper claims to have heard "great things" about The Fantastic Four: First Steps, and while that's good to hear, fans remain anxious about how these heroes will fit into the wider MCU. 

For starters, there's the Doctor Doom of it all. He's a Fantastic Four villain first and foremost who has a storied history with the team and, more specifically, Reed Richards. However, it sounds like Avengers: Doomsday could be the first time he, Sue, Ben, and Johnny encounter Victor Von Doom. 

"I'm not sure he is from their universe," Perez states, "mainly because we don’t get a single inkling of detail that proves that they know who Victor Von Doom is in their universe [during The Fantastic Four: First Steps]."

It makes sense that Doom doesn't hail from the same reality as the Fantastic Four, especially in terms of his appearance and plans for the Multiverse (if what we've been hearing is accurate, the villain's home has already been destroyed).

However, Avengers: Doomsday being where Mister Fantastic and Doctor Doom cross paths for the first time is a little disappointing. Marvel Studios could have done with maybe one more movie featuring the team to establish Doom before he takes centre stage in the two-part Multiverse Saga finale, but it wasn't meant to be.

With Doom being a last-minute pivot from Kang the Conqueror, though, that was always going to be wishful thinking. New merchandise for The Fantastic Four: First Steps has also been revealed. You can check that out below. 

Set against the vibrant backdrop of a 1960s-inspired, retro-futuristic world, Marvel Studios' The Fantastic Four: First Steps introduces Marvel’s First Family—Reed Richards/Mister Fantastic (Pedro Pascal), Sue Storm/Invisible Woman (Vanessa Kirby), Johnny Storm/Human Torch (Joseph Quinn) and Ben Grimm/The Thing (Ebon Moss-Bachrach) as they face their most daunting challenge yet.

Forced to balance their roles as heroes with the strength of their family bond, they must defend Earth from a ravenous space god called Galactus (Ralph Ineson) and his enigmatic Herald, Silver Surfer (Julia Garner). And if Galactus’ plan to devour the entire planet and everyone on it weren’t bad enough, it suddenly gets very personal.

Paul Walter Hauser, John Malkovich, and Natasha Lyonne have been cast in mystery roles. Robert Downey Jr.'s Doctor Doom is rumoured to appear, though that's surely a given with Avengers: Doomsday on the way.

Director Matt Shakman worked with both Avatar: The Way of Water co-writer Josh Friedman and WandaVision's Cam Squires on The Fantastic Four: First Steps' screenplay, with Eric Pearson (Black Widow) later coming on board for a final polish.

The movie is set to be released in theaters on July 25, 2025.

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Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 6/18/2025, 11:17 AM
No Kang no mobi
SteviesRightFoo
SteviesRightFoo - 6/18/2025, 11:45 AM
@Malatrova15 - majors as kang though ... 👎
Patient2670
Patient2670 - 6/18/2025, 11:58 AM
@Malatrova15 - Weren't ther just millions of people across the US protesting just that this past weekend? "No Kangs!"
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 6/18/2025, 12:18 PM
@Patient2670 - AND what irony ..most of them were kangz AND shieeeet
Patient2670
Patient2670 - 6/18/2025, 1:37 PM
@Malatrova15 - Actually, the irony is that just yesterday I was getting on @THEKENDOMAN's case about his use of the word "there", and then I went ahead and misspelled it. Shieeeet is right.
THEKENDOMAN
THEKENDOMAN - 6/18/2025, 1:53 PM
@Patient2670 - You [frick]ing hypocrite 😂😂
Patient2670
Patient2670 - 6/18/2025, 2:05 PM
@THEKENDOMAN - LOL!! I know, I know. My head is hung in shame. I'm just going to go to the back of the line.
THEKENDOMAN
THEKENDOMAN - 6/18/2025, 2:46 PM
@Patient2670 - 😂😂.

At least you hold your [frick]ing self [frick]ing accountable.

[frick]ing Respect 👊🏿😂
MGSSnake1988
MGSSnake1988 - 6/18/2025, 11:26 AM
If this is true, the whole franchise is cooked. Why build an interconnected media universe with no interconnectivity in them? What is this madness?
JFerguson
JFerguson - 6/18/2025, 11:31 AM
Extremely disappointing development. Not liking where Marvel Studios’ MCU is going.
marveldc4life
marveldc4life - 6/18/2025, 11:32 AM
I’m almost wondering if Doom is from earth 838 from the doctor strange movie. The Illuminati didn’t have any of the original avengers and with what scarlet witch did maybe the incursion destroyed that world and all that is left are the ones on the life raft earth 838 reed Richard’s built. That is who the thunderbolts will fight that was in the post credit scene of their movie the remaining heroes of 838.
BreakTheCode
BreakTheCode - 6/18/2025, 11:37 AM
If true, then Marvel Studios has officially jumped the shark. Reed vs Doom is the greatest rivalry in comics. This is a colossal mistake.
SteviesRightFoo
SteviesRightFoo - 6/18/2025, 11:46 AM
@BreakTheCode - I'd only want to see that in the event pascal is not playing Reed
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 6/18/2025, 12:09 PM
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SethBullock
SethBullock - 6/18/2025, 12:49 PM
@BreakTheCode - They already jumped the shark a long time ago with all of this multiverse crap being done in the worst possible way plus casting RDJ as Doom.
ImNotaBot
ImNotaBot - 6/18/2025, 1:57 PM
@BreakTheCode - They did the same with Ultron and they made Kang a Ant-Man villain.

Also Doom being a Tony Stark variant and this Reed being form another universe with no Tony Stark, idk how they'll build a rivalry with all that going on.
Matchesz
Matchesz - 6/18/2025, 11:42 AM
Didnt like how the main timeline doesnt have an Oscorp or an Osborn.. phase 1 made think this was the definitive timeline but more and more it doesnt feel like it
fanboy03191
fanboy03191 - 6/18/2025, 12:59 PM
@Matchesz - Eh, I have a theory on that. I believe they are there, but not in the way we know. Norman didn't exactly have a lot of time to deep dive into the MCU's history- he just went to his home that wasn't his in that universe. I personally believe ALL of the Spider-Man cast we know and love are there somewhere.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/18/2025, 2:36 PM
@Matchesz - It was never the definitive timeline. It was just the stand-in until they could get all the rights under one roof. Then they could reboot and have all their main characters at once. That would be the definitive timeline.

Lets just hope they don't blow their one chance to do it post-Secret Wars, because it sounds like they wanna keep this timeline going and just softboot the other characters in there after the fact. Meaning the X-Men and FF etc will be the only interesting thing about the universe because all the superheroes they had the rights to before are all old retired and dead.
We already had the Fox universe.
AllsGood
AllsGood - 6/18/2025, 11:59 AM
Marvel Bigger, Stronger, Better Studios.

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ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/18/2025, 2:39 PM
@AllsGood - But the article says it's not happening.
AllsGood
AllsGood - 6/18/2025, 3:03 PM
@ObserverIO - Avengers: Doomsday is Happening.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/18/2025, 3:06 PM
@AllsGood - Oh well, yeah that's happening at least.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/18/2025, 3:08 PM
@AllsGood - Unless the warmongers in power blow us all up first of course.

Maybe we should take bets on which Doomsday comes first, the movie or the real one.
Del
Del - 6/18/2025, 12:18 PM
Maybe Avengers:Doomsday will start off with Doom not being disfigured..Reed will be the one who defeats him (No one defeats Doom!) disfiguring him in the process; and the rivalry is born.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 6/18/2025, 12:25 PM
@Del - that could be an interesting take though why the mask then?.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 6/18/2025, 1:55 PM
@Del - That or the reason they don't recognise him is he doesn't look like their Doom due to Victor using tech/magic to assume the appearance of Tony Stark instead of his mask for nefarious reasons such as manipulating Wanda. I mean if the only thing to go on is a lack of mention of Doom in First Steps that means zip cos villains tend not to be randomly name dropped unless the narrative dictates.
jpleimann
jpleimann - 6/18/2025, 12:21 PM
Doom is the ONE character ive been wanting a faithful adaptation of, completely removing his history with Reed and the FF ain't it.

Even if they become enemies, there's no real connection between them.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 6/18/2025, 12:22 PM
More rage bait, of course it's hard to tell considering the current state of Marvel Studios. Bringing the F4 to present day is a colossal [frick]ing mistake
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 6/18/2025, 12:26 PM
Honestly , not really surprised about there being no apparent mention or inkling of Doom in First Steps since he was a late pivot from Kang which is when FF was already late into development or perhaps even pre production.

Regardless of how people felt about the prior films , we have had 3 (or 4 if you count the 90’s unreleased one) in which Doom and the FF have known each other & have some history so them taking a different approach this time seems fair to me if not ideal.

I’m honestly more bummed about the 1960’s retro futuristic aesthetic and backdrop being a one & done most likely since it seems cool & unique in comparison to other cbms…

I hope post SW they are able to integrate atleast some elements of that into the MCU but seems unlikely since Marvel has always been about the world outside our window moreso in terms of locations, aesthetics etc.
Martianhunter
Martianhunter - 6/18/2025, 12:47 PM
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Huskers
Huskers - 6/18/2025, 12:57 PM
And here I thought Marvel jumped the shark with the gimmick RDJ casting! If he has no connection to the FF, I’m wondering if this character is even Dr. Doom?!?!
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/18/2025, 3:09 PM
And Tony Stark never mentions Iron Monger, Whiplash or The Mandarin in Avengers: Endgame.

Doesn't mean they weren't villains in his history and universe.

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