Arc of THE INCREDIBLE HULK - Why we won't get a Hulk sequel?

Arc of THE INCREDIBLE HULK - Why we won't get a Hulk sequel?

Looking outside of the box office numbers of the last two solo films, I give my explanation as to why we won't get a sequel to the Edward Norton film.

Editorial Opinion
By EdgyOutsider - Mar 18, 2014 12:03 PM EST
Filed Under: Hulk

To forewarn you guys, I've been thinking a lot bout upcoming superhero movies lately so expect at least one or two more of these before the release of, Captain America: The Winter Soldier. That being said, this is an expansion of a comment I recently made in an article where Ruffalo talking about already doing some motion capture work for Hulk in the highly anticipated, The Avengers: Age of Ultron. Everybody wants a sequel to, The Incredible Hulk. But, here's something to think about. Is it because of The Avengers and how awesome he was OR do we genuinely want a Hulk sequel?



Let me explain. I will bring up the box office numbers briefly. Neither of the last two Hulk films broke $300 million world wide. It doesn't mean they were failures, they just made solid money is all. Hulk is by far the one of the toughest cookies to crack in bringing our beloved superheroes to the big screen. The general audience wants to see the Hulk smash things and fight. That's why he hasn't done well. They find the Bruce Banner aspect boring. This also brings up why I believe we will never get a Planet Hulk/World War Hulk film (besides the fact I don't want one). What makes Hulk so interesting is Bruce Banner and what makes Bruce Banner so interesting is, The Hulk. You can't have one without the either. Kevin Feige has even stated that what makes Hulk so interesting IS, Bruce Banner.

I have a belief as to what Bruce's arc will be in the films from Phase One's The Incredible Hulk to Phase Three's Avengers 3. The Incredible Hulk was about trying to find a cure to The Hulk and getting rid of him because he has not only ruined Bruce's life but is also a menace and the government wants to use it as a weapon. We then find him in Avengers in hiding still having gone a while without an incident. He believes that, The Hulk is a curse and knows that by going to S.H.I.E.L.D that there is a high chance that Hulk will come out and wreck havoc. BUT, Bruce does have control. He is able to use the Hulk for the greater good and save New York and the world itself. But, Hulk is still believe to be a menace. This brings us to, The Avengers: Age of Ultron where we will get to see the world's view of, The Avengers themselves. Bruce is at peace but, because everyone knows who The Avengers are and some even know their real identities. This would bring us to Baron Von Strucker with Loki's scepter to try and control Bruce and use the Hulk to his advantage. Bruce is tortured by this throughout the film as he is the cause of destruction at the beginning of the film. He is able to connect with Scarlet Witch and by the end of the film, after Ultron is defeated. We see Bruce leaving The Avengers, as he feels he is too much of a high risk and doesn't want anymore lives lost.

So, where is he at in Avengers 3? Let me get to that. In Avengers 3, we all know that Thanos will have the Infinity Stones and will rule the galaxy as he sees fit. The Avengers come together to stop this threat but know that even with the help of some new allies, they still need The Hulk to stand a chance. Bruce sees the threat that has come and is found by, The Avengers who seek his help. Bruce agrees to help in the final battle. He goes after, Thanos believing that he is the only one who can stop him. This causes Thanos to eventually killing the Hulk after a brutal fight, showcasing his power. Sure, not many of you are happy with this theory/idea. But, here's why he ends like that. After the battle is won and Thanos is defeated. We get a funeral for Bruce and The Hulk is finally realized as not a menace but a misunderstood monster who really was a hero. It makes sense for it to be like this because it brings The Hulk story to full circle.
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Pasto
Pasto - 3/18/2014, 1:30 PM
Cause Hulk is so lame. Duh.
Kurne
Kurne - 3/18/2014, 1:36 PM
Mark Ruffalo's shorter than Liv Tyler. That's why.
Alphadog
Alphadog - 3/18/2014, 1:48 PM
I'm really trying to hold on to my ideas for Phase 3 so I'll just say this. There's a perfect story not from the comics to be told that would not only move foward Hulk's and Bruce Banner's character arc but also the whole MCU while paying honor to the comics and the title for this movie would be too spoilerific for me to say but the acronym would be TIH and no it's not The Indestructible Hulk.
Alphadog
Alphadog - 3/18/2014, 1:50 PM
They could do an Planet Hulk movie in Phase 4 and it would fit perfectly if we had him return to earth in Avengers 4: The Infinity Gauntlet part 1 (It should be divided in two parts at least) and fight Thanos and his army during th final battle in Part 2. The Planet Hulk movie would have a lot more banner in it to show how Banner reacts to Hulk being an actual person.
Wallymelon
Wallymelon - 3/18/2014, 2:04 PM
I disagree man. I dont think the general public wants to just see the Hulk smash. The general public wants a good balance. You forget that The TV Show was on for years and that was all for the general public and people loved it for its dramatic edge. The Ang Lee film was too much of a character study. IT was more dramatic than necessary, ended up being crazy boring. The Incredible Hulk was a really good balance, but because of the sour taste that the first film left, barely anyone went to see it. The general Public got a lot less Hulk in the Avengers and his scenes were key to the film. It was mostly smashing and they responded to the jokes that the Hulk had. Not really the fact that it was this new version of the Hulk. The Hulk wasnt much of a character in The Avengers for anyone to sit with and develop enough feelings to truly dislike him. His scenes were purley meant to entertain and entice you into wanting to see more of him.

Joss and Marvel succeeded in making you want more of that character because you barely got him at all.

Basically Ang Lees film messed the Hulk up for general audiences, TIH wasnt seen by enough people, Avengers was seen by everyone, now everyone wants more Hulk.


Banner and Hulk are great characters and I hope Marvel decides to explore more of them in a solo film.
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 3/18/2014, 2:18 PM
Ummm.....no, we don't all know that Thanos will have all the infinity stones in Avengers 3.
Highflyer
Highflyer - 3/18/2014, 2:20 PM
I agree with Wallymelon. TIH was great but it after Ang Lee's film, it didn't have an audience (Ang Lee's film wasn't terrible in my view). Everyone was going to watch The Avengers so the Hulk had another opportunity. What Marvel Studios need to realize is that TIH didn't make a lot of money because of Ang Lee's Hulk. Not because it wasn't good.
Doughdzm
Doughdzm - 3/18/2014, 2:44 PM
The Hulk could do a great movie if only he has villains that are a legitimate threat. I think if they introduce the Leader and Absorbing Man they could put on a good show. But Hulk vs. the military is not a match. What made Iron Man so good in all of his outings was the fact that he actually faced a threat and faught people or robots on his level. We need to see the Hulk face a challenge that he cant just "SMASH". The most fulfilling parts in the Avengers was when he faught Thor. Thor was shown to be on his level in strength. As opposed to Hulk smashing Gamma puppies and (face palm ) Nick Nolte. Hulk has a rogue gallery of characters that would make good villains. They also need to give Hulk a reason for fighting or hunting them.
BrowniesExplode
BrowniesExplode - 3/18/2014, 3:45 PM
I wanted a Hulk sequel since TIH. I hope he fights The Leader, Abomination and Absorbing man if he gets a sequel then the events of this film will lead to Planet Hulk.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 3/18/2014, 4:14 PM
Its a shame ED NORTON was the very best!
feedonatreefrog
feedonatreefrog - 3/18/2014, 6:22 PM
BS.

There are a ton of great Hulk storylines in the comics. No reason someone can't make a great movie out of one.

The reason we're not getting another Hulk movie is because Marvel thinks it's bad business.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 3/18/2014, 6:32 PM
@feedonatreefrog: It's bad business because the first two didn't do so well because casual movie goers weren't all that into the solo films. I didn't say one can't be made. I love, The Incredible Hulk film. Read the article first dummy.
feedonatreefrog
feedonatreefrog - 3/18/2014, 6:58 PM
There's no reason they can't build the arc over The Avengers movies and solo movies in between.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 3/18/2014, 8:23 PM
I've honestly never found the Hulk to be that interesting, and that's not to insinuate that I think Bruce is particularly exciting either. If I had written Age of Ultron....

Well, I think people would actually be satisfied with my ideas, actually.

It goes back to the X-Men issue of the World War Hulk tie-in. Darwin is trying to absorb the gamma radiation, then his body tries another adaptation when the Hulk grabs him - which is to teleport away. Of course, it's just ridiculous wank to make the Hulk THAT unstoppable, but let's go with it - the solution to the Hulk problem is to be somewhere else.

Ultron attacks the Avengers, and tricks Banner into a rocket. It launches into space and shoots off. Gone.

And in the meantime, we get a version of the Illuminati reading the Hulk his rights - through Ultron's voice replications (sort of like Skynet in Salvation), of how he is a danger, can't be trusted, how it's for his own good.

And that's it. That's the end of the Hulk for Age of Ultron.

Planet Hulk would pick up from there.... except not. Because it's really not that amazing of a story, the characters suck, and apart from a few bloody noses and flesh wounds, there's no ACTUAL danger for the Hulk. That's not to say that a movie couldn't incorporate those elements, because it definitely CAN, but they wouldn't be THE focus of it.

So imagine Star Wars or Star Trek, let's say Empire Strikes Back and the 2009 reboot to be specific enough. Luke's on Dagobah going on a journey of self-discovery/training, while Han and Leia are on Bespin getting handed over to the Empire.... Kirk's been shot off to the nearest M-Class planet while Spock and the Enterprise carry on (sort of). So we put the Hulk through Sakaar, but it's a side-story - one that keeps him from interacting with Thanos until his dramatic return.

Then he'll have his Big Damn Heroes moment, only of course, it won't be enough.
PewPewMcgee
PewPewMcgee - 3/19/2014, 4:36 AM
I still think Planet Hulk could work. Send him into space after Avengers: AOU because he causes damage (maybe the secret council with SHIELD is like the Illuminati) and he comes back after Planet Hulk and attacks the Avengers with his alien army in Avengers 4
Doughdzm
Doughdzm - 3/19/2014, 3:07 PM
@dethpillow as opposed to writing editorials in the comment section. Why dont you just do an Editorial
case
case - 3/20/2014, 7:27 AM
Not sure why Planet Hulk gets so much stick. I thought it was a pretty good run.
NitPicker
NitPicker - 3/20/2014, 10:28 PM
This is what I think they should do with The Hulk.

In The Avengers 3, The Hulk and Thor should team up on Thanos while the other Avengers are dealing with Thanos' army. Thanos should be too much for The Hulk and Thor to deal with and as the battle continues, The Hulk should become increasingly frustrated and angry to the point where he attacks anything he sees. Then it becomes a three way fight between Thanos/The Hulk/Thor. Eventually the other Avengers join in to deal with The Hulk. The Hulk becomes overwhelmed by being attacked from every direction and flees the area, leaving The Avengers to deal with Thanos.

In a sequel to The Avengers, The Avengers (minus The Hulk) should be taken to the future by Kang in such way that the world thinks that they died, which leaves The Hulk as the only super powered "hero" on Earth.

In order to keep himself from going on another rampage, Bruce Banner lives a quiet life in a small town in the middle of nowhere. He lives a normal life, doing normal things like going shopping or eating at a diner. In different parts of the movie they should have these slightly weird looking people in the background who are kind of unnoticeable. Like they should have a scene where Banner is at a diner and there's a slightly weird looking guy reading a newspaper. Or Banner is in bank and there is a slightly weird looking guy filling out some forms.

Throughout the movie, there should be various objects in the town that remind Banner of a time when The Hulk went on a rampage and had a confrontation with the military/SHIELD which are shown as flashback scenes.

In one scene toward the end of the movie, Banner should be just chilling at a bar, when a group of guys start trouble with Banner. You know, smacking him upside the head and just [frick]ing with him. Eventually he transforms into The Hulk and goes on another rampage. Then out of nowhere, The Thunderbolts show up and he gets into a fight with them. Depending on what they do in The Avengers 2, the fight should seem kinda familiar to The Hulk and they could even film some scenes that look similar to scenes in The Avengers 2. The Thunderbolts should be no match for The Hulk and as The Hulk is about to win the fight, he suddenly disappears without a trace. The Thunderbolts are relieved because they don't have to deal with The Hulk anymore and it is revealed that they sent those guys to the bar so they can make the public think that they are heroes by stopping a Hulk rampage.

In the after credits scene they should show Banner laying on an operating table with all the weird looking dudes from the town standing around the table. The camera should pan toward a window where you see the Earth thousands of miles in the distance. As the camera moves toward the window and away from the weird looking guys, you vaguely see one of them transform into a Skrull.



The Planet Hulk comics suck, so if they want to make a Planet Hulk type of movie, they are going to have to change things up. For a Planet Hulk movie, The Skrulls take Banner to a planet that they want to add to their empire. There are two options in this type of movie. The planet can be a part of the Kree empire or it can be an "unclaimed planet".

For a planet owned by the Kree, it should have valuable resources and a strategic location in the Kree/Skrull war. The Skrulls take Banner to the middle of a city on the planet and smack him around then get the hell out of dodge. The Kree military try to stop The Hulk but he's too much for them. Captain Marvel shows up to deal with The Hulk. Eventually they find out what is going on with The Hulk/Banner and Banner helps them against the Skrulls.

If they go with an "unclaimed planet", there should be various alien species that The Hulk eventually helps defend the planet from a Skrull invasion.

Boo-yah!!!!
ThunderKat
ThunderKat - 3/21/2014, 6:55 PM
Are any of you who want a sequel looking at this from a non-comic fanboy perspective?

I love the Hulk. They haven't handled him correctly. He plays better against other heroes and villains. Who aside from the big three in The Avengers would that be?
NitPicker
NitPicker - 3/23/2014, 9:01 AM
@dethpillow

Thanks man. After reading your comment, it would probably be cool if he was always paranoid about things. Like, he's constantly worried about SHIELD agents and super villians sneaking up on him.

I would like to see Tarantino make a Daredevil or Gambit movie. I think the type of things he does in his movies would work well for those characters.
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