SPOILER ALERT: Iron Man 3: An Unfortunate Blemish On The Marvel Cinematic Universe?

SPOILER ALERT: Iron Man 3: An Unfortunate Blemish On The Marvel Cinematic Universe?

NOTHING TO DO WITH THE INTERPRETATION OF THE COMICS. Read on for a fan's humble opinion on where Iron Man 3 went wrong from a film standpoint and what it could mean for the future of the MCU.

Editorial Opinion
By Starjammer - May 03, 2013 10:05 PM EST
Filed Under: Iron Man

Plenty of things about the movie were entertaining, funny and/or cool, but that's not what this article is about. If you're anything like me, you're feeling cheated, confused, and maybe still in a bit of a shock after watching. And no, this isn't just about the Mandarin changes.

Eagerly awaiting a midnight showing at the El Capitan in Hollywood, California, I watched with anticipation as director Shane Black took the stage to introduce the film, first delivering a few quips about the silliness of the Fantastic Four films. Then..."This one is...pretty over the top," he said with a pause. "I hope you like it."

And then it happened. "Wait. Did...Did that just...whaat?"



Rewind six months.

They just announced they aren't going with the classic Mandarin. Fine; great. We're presented with an all new re-imagined version, very cool, very terrifying! The trailer is great, and it looks like they will be exploring the psychological, and political ramifications of the post-Avengers world! Tony is reeling from his near-death experience, the world is awaiting answers and the government is restless. The Mandarin even has an ironic Cap tattoo on the back of his neck! Talk about a great foil for Tony! This stuff practically writes itself. Wait, he...cracks beers and makes poop jokes. Oh...ha...ha. Not as...interesting? *blank stare* I guess the guys that made the trailers are just really really good at what they do.

Okay, the point here is not to complain that they didn't have the balls to tackle a real Mandarin *cough*. It's to say that there were SOO many missed golden opportunities that they chose to disregard in order to go with this wacky option instead. Yeah, wacky. We'll...we'll go with that. Thank god for the brilliance of RDJ. But I digress...




Plot holes, failed character motivation/development, and just downright bizarre and/or silly pointless choices are all major factors threatening the validity of this film, but most importantly of all, is that the established tone, world, and therefore continuity of this film separates it completely from the rest of the established MCU so far. If you hated it, it doesn't stop at this movie. In storytelling, this is like playing with fire when you're trying to build a greater cohesive universe. It's no coincidence that multiple critics are calling it a soft reboot because of how way off in left field it is. Remember, they originally were not even going to call this Iron Man 3; Shane Black wanted to call it "The Iron Man". There's your first hint.

So what makes it so different?

Let’s start with the adversity. Over-the-top, crazed, stone-faced dudes with inspiration from G.I. Joe and Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance with unlocked minds, which apparently means they get super speed, glowy eyes, spit fire, and apparently can make things mildly uncomfortable if you happened to be sitting in armor when they touch you. (Wait, why are they all bland, feral henchmen of AIM if they got their DNA rewritten and perfected? Wouldn't they be like...somewhat smarter?) Already this is a much more generic and over-the-top reality than what we're used to in the MCU. Think 90's action flicks, but with power-y stuff. LETHAL WEAPON. (What Shane Black is known for.) It honestly feels like Shane Black decided to simply insert Iron Man characters into an old 90's action thriller comedy script he happened to have lying around. What decade is this?




At the end, Tony realizes his flaw: He's obsessive and isn't paying enough attention to Pepper. Okay, fine. "What about the distractions?" She asks. So he instantly blows up billions of dollars worth of suits, takes his reactor and shrapnel out of himself, and throws it into the ocean, essentially erasing his identity as Iron Man.
Honestly, are we really supposed to be cheering while watching all his suits be blown to smithereens? The reason we're in the theater in the first place is because we want to see Tony Stark be Iron Man and embrace his gifts in a noble way. Maybe that's just me?

It wouldn't be so bad if this was the last Stark movie. But now in Avengers 2 we inevitably have to sit through him going through the same arc of inaction, only to have him build them again anyway, going back on the entire theme of this film. Give us something new. Stark is the futurist, we want progress. And since when would Pepper force him into giving up his aspirations like that? Really, you couldn't reach some kind of healthy compromise here? Wait...and Pepper now has superpowers while Stark doesn't? Should we be asking if SHE'LL return for Avengers 2?


^Side note: Stark's new suit count=zero. We could have had THIS. He could have even been on a path to become a newly evolved Tony who now feels the weight of responsibility on his shoulders after the events of Avengers. (The "A" on Stark tower?) After all, wasn't he building a suit for every circumstance? Isn't that a step up in growth from the roguish, childish Tony? A step towards the eventual "Civil War" Tony? But I guess it doesn't matter now. Let's continue on before we start crying again.

To add to this tonal continuity issue, so many of the characters are more or less pointless or have terribly weak, if any motivation for behaving like they do. Killian, though, wins it for most muddled motivation: Resorting to evil because Stark didn't pay attention to him. Now he wants a monopoly on terror. So...money is the motivation? Er, world domination? Wait, why though? Why go so far as to capture the President of the United States and string him up on an oil rig to execute him just to prove a point, while also actually not caring about proving a point at all? Did he want to blackmail the government? Was it to teach mean old Tony a lesson because he was obsessed with 12 years ago Pepper? --Who he also chooses to make a superhero for some reason--? (Bad guy fail.)




Why go to the most massive extreme possible just for that? Can anyone tell me his motivation, other than just GENERIC EVIL? And why are his henchmen so cliche? (90's Bruce Willis film, anyone?) Why does every character have to be either complete comic relief or complete generic evil, in a previously established universe of basically normal people? It was tough to believe him as an actual person rather than a plastic archetype.

On top of this, the Vice President is evil too, selling out his entire country, killing people in a mass conspiracy and funding evil flame-wielding super-soldiers so that his daughter can grow part of her leg back? Wait, what? And where the crap is SHIELD, or Cap, or anyone while the most powerful man on the planet is abducted and there's a clear global threat/conspiracy? Once again, not buying into the reality here. (Or the necessity of forcing this in) As a general guideline of storytelling, suspension of disbelief should never be abused if you want an audience to care or be invested. If you're going to set up a universe where a very specific reality can happen, you need to stay consistent.

So the President of the MCU is now cemented as an old white guy named Ellis who got kidnapped, while the Vice President is a giant douchebag, AIM is a small group of dudes headed by the now dead Killian, who also is apparently the head master and founder of the Ten Rings organization (which was behind funding the enemies in the first Iron Man and also getting Whiplash to Monoco) for some unknown motive and reason, all while also confirming officially that the MCU must take place in some other alternate world than our own, as it takes place in 2013 and, for instance, Obama is not President. (Why did we need the President in this at all, anyway? Because it makes the "stakes high"? No, tension does that on its own if a script is written well)




Black kept saying that these movies need to be grounded. This was not grounded in anything but a more silly alternate reality that we're supposed to still be fully invested in. If I don't buy into it, I don't care. And I didn't. The other MCU movies were always somewhat over the top in that they were still able to have fun and not take themselves too seriously, but they always treaded that line of still being completely believable in their reality, therefore we relate. Ask Joss Whedon. Never were movies before this taken to this insanely high level of unrealistic, genre black and white-ness.

Instead, Marvel chose to change the tone of what was already established in the last 6 movies, in favor of a sub-par thriller plot line for this one movie. Or is this some kind of reboot, not in the same continuity? If so, I expect that kind of nonsense from FOX or SONY, not from this studio. In a broader, shared universe, you need to flesh out what is believable and what is not in the world you create and stick with it, or you're asking for failure.

So what went wrong then?

Everything considered, this was not a Marvel movie. It was a Shane Black movie masquerading as one. Black was clearly writing what he knew, and apparently no one decided to correct him. Were they scared of stepping on his toes so as not to offend a good friend of RDJ, the face of the franchise? Or did Kevin Feige, the man responsible for keeping the sanctity of it all, just completely drop the ball and actually think this was good. Who knows. There's something more going on here it seems. In any case, I'm getting Lucas/Star Wars prequel flashbacks and it's making my head hurt.




Anyway, I suppose it's possible you could enjoy this film if you are able to look past all these flaws and can watch it out of context from the comics, the other Iron Man movies, and entire Marvel/Avengers franchise. If not...it's painful. Personally, I think the title would have been more accurate as "Iron Man: Shane Black Style!", in which case I suppose I could let go and just enjoy it for the silliness that it was. But for now, sorry, not for the price of marring the MCU.

Needless to say, I walked away from that theater with nothing to think but "What the hell did I just watch?" Unfortunately, we now know nothing is truly safe, not even in the hands of Marvel Studios themselves. It really is a shane--*cough* I mean shame. Can the Marvel Cinematic Universe recover from this tonal continuity meltdown? I don't know. Have I been idealizing Marvel Studios way too much over these last few years? Apparently...But I'll be gosh gee golly darned if I'm going to accept anything less than what I know Marvel is capable of. Come on, guys.


Well, thanks for sticking with me, dudes! I had to get this off my chest for my own sanity. My intention here was not to sit here and pick apart the whole movie (although admittedly I couldn't help doing some of that), but instead wanted to explain why I think this movie failed in so many ways as both a standalone story and valuable part of the “house of cards” known as the Marvel Cinematic Universe. What are your thoughts or arguments?

Thanks and feel free to leave any comments below!

STARJAMMER



**UPDATE:**

Feige recently made the comment, “It’s not about, ‘And this time there will be five more explosions in this section!’ ...We didn’t want to say, ‘Oh now it has to be bigger and he fights 100 people in armored suits.’

Feige. That's EXACTLY what you chose to do.
Abducting the President of the United States, the most powerful man in the world and stringing him up on an oil rig to execute, while the Vice President is involved in a mass conspiracy to fund terrorists and sell out his country, while a super soldier creates global terrorism so he can "own the war of terror by installing a puppet President! Mwuuhahahaha!"

Yeah. Sounds real intimate and personal. This is the silliest crap I've ever heard. Is the suspension of disbelief of the MCU the equivalent of a Chuck Norris film suddenly? Give me a break. At least now we know this indeed rests on the decisions on Feige. Doesn't bode well.


We should care less about the depiction of the Mandarin when we have so many other nonsensical, nongrounded ridiculous plots going on here.
Once again I ask for an actual character motive of why Killian is trying to pull off this biggest conspiracy ever in the history of the world. He's apparently just...Evil. Evil and/or butthurt. Great.
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ManWhoLaughs
ManWhoLaughs - 5/3/2013, 10:52 PM
It's a movie. If they did everything accurately what would be the point? We'd know everything all ready. Bad enough they want to attempt Thanos. I'm not broken hearted because I've got comics and my favorite writers. Could be worse, could be dark knight rises, a true sham with plot holes the size of Texas. Iron Man never really attempts to take itself seriously..so why should I. Mandarin was a let down to be sure but it is what it is, a popcorn movie. Also these movies are made for box office and merchandising now, no longer specifically for comic fans. You no longer have to have read comics to like the characters.
Starjammer
Starjammer - 5/3/2013, 11:16 PM
I agree, but honestly I'm just still baffled as to how this could happen. I could be like the many people who see a film and go yay, that was fun! Now, moving on... But it's tough for something like this. Part of it is probably me idealizing the MCU too much and if so, this movie was a harsh slap back to reality. I would like nothing more than to look past a few small negatives, as I did for IM2 and plenty of other fun films, but with this, as a fan and a filmmaker, I'm just left with....What??
smgmayhem
smgmayhem - 5/3/2013, 11:17 PM
I just think a lot of fans are divas when it comes to these movies. It's the MCU not a direct parallel to the comics. I see these movies as separate issues in a series, just like a comic writer you either like them or you don't but don't expect them to follow suit with all the details. They take bits and pieces from the comics to tell their own story. But alas no one is ever pleased with anything, there will always be separation when it comes to these movies no matter how great they are.
Starjammer
Starjammer - 5/3/2013, 11:22 PM
Did you even read it at all? The article has nothing to do with the comics.
smgmayhem
smgmayhem - 5/3/2013, 11:27 PM
But the frustration most people are feeling is with the Mandarin and how he was depicted and how he differed from the comics. In my opinion the plot holes could mean that there is more to the story itself that may flesh out in future installments or even Avengers 2, but I wouldn't go as far as saying its tragic because in the end the movie did its job, it left you questioning things and that's what keeps you coming back for more.
Minato
Minato - 5/3/2013, 11:31 PM
Its Not that bad. I dont think stark quit being Ironman just depending on arc reactors. Shield "ruined" pt 2 now no shield "ruined" pt 3. Mandarin twist is undestandable to be angry. IM 1 had as many plot holes as the other 2 along with Avengers. None of the MCU movies are perfect but fun CBMs. I wonder how much complaining we are going to get next month over MOS or are we going to ignore them in favor of a more serious movie? You are entitled to your opinion but nothing is ruined from this movie.
Minato
Minato - 5/3/2013, 11:33 PM
That last post was kinda incoherent but im just sleepy
smgmayhem
smgmayhem - 5/3/2013, 11:34 PM
Personally I think it's great when a movie can totally flip you upside down and make you reevaluate what you originally thought would happen, it would have sucked if they used the same old bad guy vs good guy formula and in the end the hero wins. It really makes you think " holy shit The Mandarin actually won" because Tony may have given up being Iron Man because of the events that transpired in the movie and then he is lead to believe in Avengers 2 he has a much greater calling as Iron Man as opposed to just being Tony Stark.
pesmerga44
pesmerga44 - 5/3/2013, 11:45 PM
Some of these are really nitpicky that if you put more thought into it it makes sense.

1. The extremis powered soldiers if you remember they were all crippled ex soldiers losings arms and legs meaning they lost the ability to do what they trained to do. In comes AIM and promises them not only their bodies back but a new purpose and probably a lot of cash. Sure some of them are not going to go with it but a number of them probably would have also anyone else could be mercenaries they hired who will do anything for money.

2. The vice president going into an alliance with Killian isn't that huge of a stretch with me for a couple reasons one being promised that his daughter would regain her leg could be a huge motivator to join with him and he could just be a power hungry son of a bitch that was promised the presidency if he went along with Killian.

3. Tony not being Iron Man I don't think was the main point it was that through out these films he has used the suit as a shield to protect himself from the outside world. Not only that but the suit has failed him go back to the Avengers remember when Cap called him out "Take away the suit of armor and what are you?" and when he almost died things like this made him look am I Iron Man or am I just a guy in a suit. He built dozens of armors dealing with his anxiety building more and more walls to protect himself from the outside world. By the end of the movie he discovered he no longer needed these walls to push out the fear but he needed to face them and start new. Hence why he destroyed all the armors he built and took out the arc reactor so that he could become new and restart.

4. Who said the kid repaired the armor the only thing the movie showed was the kid watching over the armor while it recharged. Tony and JARVIS repaired the armor and left it with the kid while it recharged. I never remember seeing the kid holding any kind of tools to work on the armor.

Was Iron Man 3 a perfect movie no it had problems I personally would have loved if they turned down the comedy and given us some more quiet moments to reflect upon. Iron Man 3 did not tarnish the MCU universe it is fine that you didn't like the movie but I think people are nerd raging to much over the Mandarin twist. I would have liked it if they gave us the Mandarin from the comics but unless you read spoilers you never would have seen that twist coming and that was a damn good twist they pulled and it got laughs out of me. Killian was a damn fine villain and easily Iron Man's best villain putting up the best fight and going round for round with him.
Starjammer
Starjammer - 5/3/2013, 11:50 PM
Yeah, obviously different opinions. I never read the spoilers, and thought the twist was gimmicky and silly. When the script has Mandarin relying on poop jokes, that's when I'm out. Killian was just flat out unrealistic and ridiculous to me. I found nothing he did grounded, interesting, or threatening in any way.
smgmayhem
smgmayhem - 5/3/2013, 11:53 PM
Kevin Feige said Phase 2 would be more personal so there goes the tone right there it got very personal for Stark,and it will be the same as these movies progress for Thor Jane Foster, and for Cap Bucky/Winter Soldier, so far they are on track with a new tone for phase 2.
smgmayhem
smgmayhem - 5/3/2013, 11:54 PM
I agree it would have been cool to see him utilize some of those suits for future installments.
QuestionDAnswer
QuestionDAnswer - 5/4/2013, 2:55 AM
I am so angry about this film I feel cheated, robbed, screwed, and disappointed. Even though I didn't spend a single dime to watch this film. I watched it for free online, I guess I'm angry at Marvel for wasting my time. Even though it was free I'm still angry at Marvel for tricking me into watching this crap. I bet Marvel is having a big laugh for deceiving a lot of people. BASTARDS!!! I'm just glad I didn't pay to watch this film other wise I would be even angrier. What I'm I talking about I'm still angry. Damn you to hell Shane Black.
MCU =Mediocre Comic Universe
Gamma022
Gamma022 - 5/4/2013, 3:25 AM
Was wondering why the Vice President got arrested
Starjammer
Starjammer - 5/4/2013, 3:55 AM
lol Well said.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 5/4/2013, 4:07 AM
I'm going to tell you something crazy.

My first viewing of Iron Man (2008) was at a theater in Sacramento during a road trip with my then-girlfriend and her friends. Immediately after we left the city limits, one of her friends popped in a mixed CD, and Eiffel 65's I'm Blue (da ba dee) started up.

It's so funny because I hadn't listened to it again between THEN and Iron Man 3, and when it started playing at the beginning, on got goosebumps.
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Now, I understand it was no masterpiece in any way, but I'll be damned if I didn't have a good time last night at the theater. Iron Man 3 is a target now, apparently. I'll tell you what though, even the casual Iron Man fan (like myself) doesn't give a damn about the changes. It's literally all fun and games - what were you really expecting?
Starjammer
Starjammer - 5/4/2013, 4:52 AM
What was I expecting? Um. Something good? *shrug*

If by "changes" you mean the Mandarin stuff, then you didn't read the article.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 5/4/2013, 4:55 AM
No I did. We both wasted our time. You complain of fire-breathing yet it was lifted from the comics. *shrug*

Gonna clock in now.
QuestionDAnswer
QuestionDAnswer - 5/4/2013, 5:30 AM
This movie is really bad I got a headache after watching this I couldn't take all the stupidity of this film. I felt like I was the one that was going to need the therapy. Where do I begin Tony gives out his address to the Mandarin even though he said he wanted to protect pepper, then a few moments later his house gets destroyed smh. Every body in this film wears an Iron Man suit tony, pepper, Rhodes, Killian, a henchman, even the president gets to wear a suit. I guess anybody can be Iron Man. It kind of defeats the purpose of Tony Stark. You know what else defeats the purpose of Tony Stark the fact that you don't even need him in the film the suits can do everything by themselves. Killian's motivation was that he was angry with Stark, because he stood him up. Tony carries around a busted suit for half of the film even though he has a ton of suits hidden away in the floor of his destroyed mansion that he can call anytime he wants smh. The mandarin's attacks were fake they were just cover ups for failed extremis soilders who rejected the virus, and blew up. The Mandarin was a joke he never did anything. The TDK trilogy rip-offs. The vice president is helping Killian kill people so that his daughter can grow a leg smh. Tony destroys all of his suits, indicating retirement. But then he says he is Iron Man even though he doesn't have any suit smh. This movie is just one huge steaming pile crap. It doesn't make any sense.
Starjammer
Starjammer - 5/4/2013, 5:33 AM
This article has nothing to do with the comics, nor did I ever complain about that.
QuestionDAnswer
QuestionDAnswer - 5/4/2013, 6:13 AM
Oh I forgot two other things, Tony starts panicking like a little girl every time someone mentions New York wormholes or aliens smh. Guess what Tony a lot of Marvel characters are based in New York. I guess he won't be visiting the big apple anymore or teaming up with the avengers, because the avengers deal with aliens wormholes, and stuff like that. Speaking of the avengers where were they? Where was shield for that matter, the president was kidnapped. I guess if NY is ever in trouble again the avengers won't be getting Tony's help smh. Marvel has to reboot this crappy franchise ASAP.
McNyagano
McNyagano - 5/4/2013, 6:29 AM
As for Kilian's motivations?

Understanding this is pretty critical to the film.
The explanations were in plain sight but not laboriously explained with ham fisted exposition. That's one of the things I liked about this movie. After Kilian forced Rhodey out of the amour, he said,"This time tomorrow I'll have the West's most powerful leader in one hand and the world's most feared terrorist in the other. I'll own the war of terror, create supply and demand".

By installing a puppet President, Killian would end up controlling both the US military and their number one enemy.Well, remember that Killian was also controlling America's number one enemy. All he needs to do to get the President on his side is organise another bombing to scare Congress into accepting anything he brings to the table.

Killian's experiments with Maya Hansen's Extremis were killing subjects spectacularly. The explosion created did enormous personal and property damage.

To cover up the accidents, Killian created the Mandarin to make the explosions appear planned and part of a larger agenda. Mandarin simply spouted political rhetoric to make it sound like there was a point to what he was doing. The idea was that the Mandarin was such a big, random threat that people would pursue him the way they did bin Laden. This would help keep Extremis under wraps while Killian perfected it.

Along the way, he realized that there was huge business to be had if he controlled both the supply and demand for military equipment and enhanced soldiers. A young girl I assumed was the Vice President's granddaughter was missing a limb, so Killian used the promise of a stable Extremis to convince him to go along with the plan to kill the President and take over as President himself, putting the entire country in Killian's pocket.

At that point, he'd use that balance of power--of which he controlled both sides--to boost AIM's profits astronomically.

When you think about it, it's not all that different from the way corporations and well-funded lobbies (like the NRA) control the country today.
QuestionDAnswer
QuestionDAnswer - 5/4/2013, 7:19 AM
@Teekay
Okay you explained one thing better than the film ever did I don't think he is that clever, your giving Shane Black more credit than he deserves without even knowing if that is what he was truly going for, your just assuming that those were his motivations. Dude, Killian was just out for revenge because his boyfriend stood him up. Yeah, that fits the tone of stupidity of this film. Speaking of stupidity what about all the other things I mentioned? You didn't answer any of those. plus that still doesn't explain why someone would help a terrorist for a lost limb. I could have understand if the girl was dying of cancer or something, but a lost limb? GTFO!!! Look man just admit that this film didn't make any sense. For example Tony is trying to repair a busted suit for half of the film, and he almost gets killed by two extremis soldiers in the middle of the movie, yet he fails to call at least one of the billion suits he has in any of those situations smh. Face it this film sucks.
ManWhoLaughs
ManWhoLaughs - 5/4/2013, 7:20 AM
I applaud that you are cordule when replying. Now I don't understand Killians motives either but everyone wh faces Tony Stark in the films are people who are just pissed off at him. Plus I didn't understand the full line of henchmen with the extremis. I mean why is Killians the leader when they have the same powers. Still enjoyed the film.

Even though the twist sucked, Ben Kingsleys performance was amazing on all fronts.
tonytony
tonytony - 5/4/2013, 7:38 AM
this is a a disney movie.
Viper87
Viper87 - 5/4/2013, 8:07 AM
@smgmayhem
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"But the frustration most people are feeling is with the Mandarin and how he was depicted and how he differed from the comics. In my opinion the plot holes could mean that there is more to the story itself that may flesh out in future installments or even Avengers 2, but I wouldn't go as far as saying its tragic because in the end the movie did its job, it left you questioning things and that's what keeps you coming back for more."

2
"Personally I think it's great when a movie can totally flip you upside down and make you reevaluate what you originally thought would happen, it would have sucked if they used the same old bad guy vs good guy formula and in the end the hero wins. It really makes you think " holy shit The Mandarin actually won" because Tony may have given up being Iron Man because of the events that transpired in the movie and then he is lead to believe in Avengers 2 he has a much greater calling as Iron Man as opposed to just being Tony Stark."

I'm not even so worried about the changes they made from the comics, because I thought the version of Mandarin they initially presented as ruthless terrorist with an obsession of teaching America a lesson was very well done though they changed his ethnicity and other minor things, they kept the original spirit of the character in his ruthlessness and conviction. Not to mention that just visually, he's quite a contrast from anyone else in the film basically up to this point and throughout the previous films too. Had they just stayed the course and utilized this until the end, it would have made for more of a satisfying story.

A twist is all well and good if it enhances the story itself, or the characters affected by it and not just done for the sake of a laugh, or shock value or to deliver some social commentary on present day society. I'm of the view that while it was unexpected and was played humorously, it didn't exactly enhance what they were already doing. I get that the expected it to be a risky move to add a layer to the story and serve to not only provide a satire of current media, but also reveal Killian as the villain. As good as it is to understand their reasoning, I still feel like the original villain we were advertised with and presented with early in the film was more interesting.

And while using the same good guy vs bad guy formula might suck, when the stakes are raised, the hero is tested harder than ever before, and the stakes even possibly become personal, usually at the hands of their greatest foe who tends to take on a life of their own, it makes for a more satisfying conclusion and makes the hero better off for it when they emerge victorious. One can argue this did happen in this movie and to an extent it did, however it didn't quite feel like Killian's character specifically lived up to the heavy steaks he ultimately created and presented in the film, regardless of how much the script tried to portray that he did.
TheManFromMars
TheManFromMars - 5/4/2013, 8:51 AM
I just came here to understand what "blemish" means...
Viper87
Viper87 - 5/4/2013, 11:56 AM
@TheHawkWithin
What about this do you have difficulty understanding? The version they created in the film DID WORK!!!!! It was working until they flipped the script on themselves.
jaysin420
jaysin420 - 5/4/2013, 12:12 PM
Great article.

"For example Tony is trying to repair a busted suit for half of the film, and he almost gets killed by two extremis soldiers in the middle of the movie, yet he fails to call at least one of the billion suits he has in any of those situations smh."

That was my biggest problem with the movie, they should've at least had Tony attempt to call out those suits earlier. Like did he forget they existed until that moment?

And if Trevor was just an actor, wouldn't he have seen himself on the news? Or be recognized when he left the house? And didn't he shoot a guy on camera at one point? lol

Fun movie, but made no sense at all.
Starjammer
Starjammer - 5/4/2013, 12:53 PM
@TeeKay
Good explanation of Killian's motives, which you are right, he plainly lays out. My problem with it is that it's very very over-the-top and silly. Nothing like that would ever happen. No person would ever realistically act or talk that way. That is a motive of a 90's action/thriller/buddy comedy movie character. In a world first established in Iron Man, where motives actually make sense, sorry, I don't buy it. Pure cheese.
Starjammer
Starjammer - 5/4/2013, 12:58 PM
@TheManFromMars
You are a champ, sir.
QuestionDAnswer
QuestionDAnswer - 5/4/2013, 1:02 PM
@LEVITIKUZ
First of all when the frick did I say that I hadn't seen the film? I already saw this crappy film. Second the MCU is mediocre with the exception of Iron Man 1. For example Iron Man 2, and three both suck, the incredible hulk sucks, Thor was mediocre Captain America was mediocre, The Average-rs was just that average. I mean it was voted the most overhyped, and overrated film of 2012. And third who the frick do you think you are to tell me to stop bitching? Your the same guy that is always bitching about Guillermo Del Toro, because he hasn't made your precious Hellboy 3. So please don't be a hypocrite bish.
Starjammer
Starjammer - 5/4/2013, 1:09 PM
Feige says. “It’s not about, ‘And this time there will be five more explosions in this section!’ ...We didn’t want to say, ‘Oh now it has to be bigger and he fights 100 people in armored suits.’

Feige. That's EXACTLY what you chose to do.
Abducting the President of the United States, the most powerful man in the world and stringing him up on an oil rig to execute, while the Vice President is involved in a mass conspiracy to fund terrorists and sell out his country, while a super soldier creates global terrorism so he can "own the war of terror by installing a puppet President! Mwuuhahahaha!"

Yeah. Sounds real intimate. This is the silliest crap I've ever heard. Btw no one has still given me an actual character motive of why Killian is trying to pull off this biggest conspiracy ever in the history of the world. He's apparently just...Evil. Cool.
Starjammer
Starjammer - 5/4/2013, 1:12 PM
I could care less about the depiction of the Mandarin when you have so nonsensical nongrounded 24 crap going on. Apparently the MCU has the suspension of disbelief of a Chuck Norris film.
gamecreatorjj
gamecreatorjj - 5/4/2013, 2:15 PM
I don't understand all the double standards on this site
this film ruined
1.) The Mandarin
2.) AIM
3.) War Machine
4.) Iron Patriot
5.) Extremis
6.) Pepper Potts

If a Fox, Sony, or WB film did this, everyone would go on saying that it was the most overrated film, and how the director was a hack. People who complained about Nolan making Changes, that were small, and made sense, absolutely are ating this movie up, this movie proves that Marvelites, are more following complacent fanboys
than even the Nolanites

It is okay to admit that you didn't like the film, it won't make the other side's argument any more valid
marvel72
marvel72 - 5/4/2013, 3:15 PM
@ gamecreatorjj

they only really ruined the mandarin,as for the others on your list.

AIM are just scientist with guns,that's about it they could of put them in their trademark yellow uniforms i suppose.

war machine became iron patriot haven't got a problem this considering there was no way norman osborn was gonna don the armour,my biggest grip with iron patriot was the lack of action.

extremis i was fine with again one of the highlights of the movie for me.

pepper potts she was alright in the movie didn't like her going all extremis but it only last a couple of minutes & she got cured at the end.
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