DOCTOR STRANGE Writer Bashes Rotten Tomatoes' Handling Of JUSTICE LEAGUE Reviews; Dismisses Marvel/DC Rivalry

DOCTOR STRANGE Writer Bashes Rotten Tomatoes' Handling Of JUSTICE LEAGUE Reviews; Dismisses Marvel/DC Rivalry

Rotten Tomatoes received criticism for its decision to hold back revealing Justice League reviews until the last minute and now Doctor Strange writer C. Robert Cargill has chimed in with his two cents...

By MUTO123 - Nov 20, 2017 11:11 AM EST
Filed Under: Justice League
Source: Indiewire

Justice League has grossed a domestic total of $94 million on its opening weekend, which would be a cause for celebration for other, less expensive movies, but for a movie that cost $300 million to make, it's quite disappointing. It seems that Warner Bros. had hoped to decrease the chance of something like this happening by having Rotten Tomatoes, the very popular review aggregator site which they own, delay the reveal of the film's overall score (even going so far as to not post reviews to the site despite the reviews already being published elsewhere on the internet) until the site's new "See It/Skip It" revealed it on opening night.

This decision drew the ire of many peoplee, and now Doctor Strange co-writer C. Robert Cargill (himself a former film critic), has written an exclusive article for Indiewire analyzing this act.

“'Justice League,' which opens this weekend, not only had a very tight embargo placed upon it (reviews dropped less than 48 hours before the first screenings), but also, strangely, had its Rotten Tomatoes score held back to be revealed on Rotten Tomatoes’ new web show 'See It/Skip It.' But that’s not what bothered me. What scared me, frankly, was that all of the film’s reviews were held back from the site as well. In an era when Rotten Tomatoes has become the go to aggregator — one so powerful and commonly used that simply googling a film also turns up its Freshness rating in Google’s general information box — websites rely upon exciting blockbusters like Justice League to drive traffic to their reviews, and discover their sites and writers.

But this week, mere hours before the first screening of the film, they weren't there. As far as Rotten Tomatoes was concerned, there were no reviews posted for the film. Whatsoever. Despite hundreds of them having already been posted online."


He also explained how he thinks it may signify a larger problem with Rotten Tomatoes as a whole and how it may have a negative impact on the film industry going forward.

"It is entirely possible that this really is an innocent, if tone deaf, experiment. Rotten Tomatoes wants to push their new show, so they went out to several companies asking if they would take part in it and hold back their Freshness ratings. And it’s possible those companies told them, politely, to take a flying leap. 'Hide our Rotten Tomatoes score? Are you crazy? We need that to goose our opening weekend!' And since WB (which owns DC) is also a minority owner of Rotten Tomatoes, strings could have been pulled, and the company agreed to use this as a joint advertising push. And that push is why there was such a narrow embargo window. Nothing rotten in Denmark.

But what if it’s not that? What if it’s a test balloon? What if, from here on out, studios can buy a marketing package which includes featuring their film on 'See It/Skip It,' which comes with the added bonus of holding your Freshness rating until the day of release? Consider for a moment being the filmmaker of a scrappy little film getting great reviews that must fight for every dollar at the box office it can. In this new environment, you’re rewarded for great reviews — fortunes are being made and lost at the hands of these united, aggregated critics. What happens when your film gets annihilated by a juggernaut of a stinker that would have been otherwise crushed because of its poor reviews — reviews that were brushed under the rug of the site that has become the Siskel & Ebert of its day?

This isn't just about people getting sold a ticket to a bum ride, it's also about the collateral damage to the types of films so many of us film lovers live for."


Cargill also acknowledged that he may be wrong about this and this whole ordeal was probably just a harmless experiment, but hopes that going forward, the kind of power that Rotten Tomatoes possesses is used properly.

"I've been in these two industries altogether for going on twenty years now. And I’ve seen shady things behind the scenes in both the movie business and journalism. So when something like this happens, it often makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. The only way an aggregator like this works is if it is entirely impartial. Rotten Tomatoes isn’t a cute gimmick anymore. It’s not just a helpful tool. It’s a guiding force in the industry. And it wields a lot of power. If comic books have taught us anything, it’s that — say it with me — with great power comes great responsibility. And as a film critic, filmmaker, but chiefly film lover, I want to see that this power is wielded properly, and impartially.

I hope I’m overreacting and being paranoid here; I hope that this was just bad optics that will quickly be corrected. But, either way, I thought this was worth bringing attention to."

On a final note, Cargill also used this as an oppurtunity to acknowledge the alleged "rivalry" between Marvel and DC, and explained that it does not exist and how good comic book movies, regardless of which company they hail from, can only mean good things for the future of the genre going forward. 

"There persists this idea out there, bouncing around social media, that the longtime war between fans of DC and Marvel comics somehow carries over to those who make and distribute them. It doesn’t. When it comes to comic book movies, a rising tide lifts all boats. When something like 'Deadpool' catches everyone off guard and makes a dump truck of money, the industry doesn’t shudder and spit bile with jealousy. It does backflips. Great comic book movies make people hungry for more comic book movies. Bad comic book movies make people talk about getting burnt out on them. So, do I want 'Justice League' to be good and succeed? No, I want it to rock my face off and make several dump trucks of money. Just like 'Wonder Woman' did. Because I want to see (and maybe even make) a hell of a lot more great comic book movies."

So, what do you think? Do you agree with Cargill's thoughts? Do you think Rotten Tomatoes has too much power now? Sound off down below!

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NotoriousWolf23
NotoriousWolf23 - 11/20/2017, 12:45 PM
They held it back because it was a shite film.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 11/20/2017, 12:46 PM
"When it comes to comic book movies, a rising tide lifts all boats."

Smart guy
MrPositive
MrPositive - 11/20/2017, 12:48 PM
@BlackBeltJones - True
GhostDog
GhostDog - 11/20/2017, 12:54 PM
@MrPositive - JL is a detriment to the whole genre for example. DC will be impacted more than the entire genre, but if DC drops the ball like this again, it's gonna have some sort of impact on the entire genre.

This can't become a constant for DC (besides WW).
NotoriousWolf23
NotoriousWolf23 - 11/20/2017, 12:49 PM
On the real tho. This flick was a mess. Reshoots killed this flick. CGI was all over the place. Plot holes. Very messy film. Had aome enjoyable moments here and there. But i did not like this film. JL deserved better. That's the honest truth.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 11/20/2017, 12:56 PM
@NotoriousWolf23 - where is Geoff Johns at though? He was okay with this?

Movie didn't have to be this messy even with reshoots.
ThatAlexDude
ThatAlexDude - 11/20/2017, 12:50 PM
Off-Topic, but I'm happy this guy uploaded something today!
MUTO123
MUTO123 - 11/20/2017, 12:53 PM
@ThatAlexDude - How long ago was that guy's last video? It feels like it's been a couple years.
ThatAlexDude
ThatAlexDude - 11/20/2017, 1:02 PM
@MUTO123 - August 3rd, 2016

Damn!
Bekss
Bekss - 11/20/2017, 4:50 PM
@ThatAlexDude - this guy makes better Superman storylines than WB/DC.

Everyone here should see this guy's series on his channel.
BlackStar25
BlackStar25 - 11/20/2017, 12:53 PM
RT isn't that powerful...Doesn't sway the masses like many people think. Word of mouth does tho.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 11/20/2017, 12:57 PM
@BlackStar25 - I keep saying this. Most people don't even know what RT is.
SuperLuchador
SuperLuchador - 11/20/2017, 12:57 PM
Heh not like it mattered much...the numbers are out.

Justice League did 94 millions $ for their opening weekend in the US...it's even lower than the estimate.

gmoney0505
gmoney0505 - 11/20/2017, 1:13 PM
Just wished people actually read the reviews and not just look at the score because man a lot of those reviewers cannot review movies to save their life. Most of them contradict themselves left and right.
DarthGrizzly
DarthGrizzly - 11/20/2017, 1:19 PM
@gmoney0505 - People are lazy man, it doesnt matter whether they see a RT score, they just want to know whether a film is worth their time. Cause if you think of it, with us, we're excited as hell for these films, but some people just see these as another marvel/dc movie or just a superhero movie. I'm sure if they were excited about a film, they would go through multiple reviews, but for the GA, I think they would rather just see a quick indication on whether they want to watch it or nah.
Skrull
Skrull - 11/20/2017, 1:18 PM
A lot of the YouTube people are losing their damn minds over JL's box office and RT score. Campea has done at least three videos about it. Jon Schnepp, who I respect (Space Ghost Coast to Coast!) claimed that critics were totally to blame for JL's box office because it's a great film but people listened to the reviews instead of seeing it for themselves. It would be funny if it weren't so damn sad.

Webheaded225
Webheaded225 - 11/20/2017, 3:17 PM
"Great comic book movies make people hungry for more comic book movies. Bad comic book movies make people talk about getting burnt out on them. So, do I want 'Justice League' to be good and succeed? No, I want it to rock my face off and make several dump trucks of money."

Smart guy. That's why he's writing excelent Cbms, while others (Terrio) can't make one good Cbm to save their lives. Unfortunately JL is shit, so it won't help the genre.
Unclerico
Unclerico - 11/20/2017, 3:22 PM
It's to bad that we live In a society now where we're told what to like or hate and society as a whole are dumb enough to listen. Rotten tomatoes? Really people your going to listen to what these idiots telling you what their opinion is and take it as something you should go by without you giving the movie a chance and make your own?
[frick]en puppets

BlackHulk
BlackHulk - 11/20/2017, 4:04 PM
Ive said this for quite some time. RT is inconsistent and does not fairly review movies on the same criteria. Was JL a mess? yes, but there are other movies out there that are considered a mess that have gotten fresh scores. What gives?
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