5 Of The Most Common Complaints Made By Comic Book Fans, 4th Complaint!

5 Of The Most Common Complaints Made By Comic Book Fans, 4th Complaint!

Comic book fans are passionate people with extremely strong opinions. They give these opinions, even if debated among each other voraciously, and angrily. Read on for the 4th of five articles exploring the most common complaints fans make about comic book movies.

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By efcamachopmp - Sep 08, 2013 04:09 PM EST
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This is the next article in the 5 part series, “5 Of The Most Common Complaints Made By Comic Book Fans” you can find, The 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Complaints by clicking on their links respectively.

“Other Comic Book Fans Are Wrong!”

The Usual Statements

“This guy has no clue about the comics, or what he is talking about!”
“Don't feed the trolls.”
“I don't think you've ever read a comic, I bet you've only just got into comics after watching the movies!”
“Are you serious? You don't know what you're talking about, trust me, I know what i'm talking about!”
“You're an idiot for not understanding what I am saying!”
“Marvel is better than DC!”
"DC is better than Marvel!"

What? Why? Who The F*** Cares!?

Entitlement is the main issue i've seen in this argument; although there are many arguments, i'm only exploring a few of them here. the general concept here arguing amongst each other is almost the same as people arguing in religion, if not exactly the same.

Comics are artful, and many times, extremely soulful things. Such a wonderful art form, that when someone actually feels something from any given story, character, or universe, they will defend their point of view; and will lash out at anyone that thinks their individually believed point of view is something else. Especially if that point of view partially, and in very minor cases, fully, validates or encompasses the observers world view.

The truth behind this is a simple one, and among the reasons it took me a little longer to write this article. I had to go about a little more research into the notion I had about this common complaint, and performed a few social experiments. I had to see what people have been debating; how they debated, and (if at all) how they resolved their debates. Did these fans agree to disagree, or did they (simply) continue to berate each other more for differing opinions? Sometimes what I encountered was, to such a large degree (of used time), the "sport" of the debate turned primary to the enjoyment of the material being argued over. One such comment I've observed since the beginning of this series of articles was polarizing for me for the particular argument of this article.

"If you haven't realized that hating it is half the fun. Then you live in a very nice bubble."

The Media has taken notice of debates within the comic community, and more so have decided to play devil's advocate in many moments. Whether it's Ben Affleck (in our day and age), with hundreds of tools to spread our message pan-globally. Whether it was Michael Keaton's announcement to the same beloved role in the late 80's, with the limited means we had to spread the same message across the globe, or perhaps a simple matter of Snyder changing how he kills Jonathan Kent in Man of Steel. The media will always thrive on our disagreement and descension among ourselves. Sometimes fueling the same descension with their own propaganda to aide in maintaining a split audience, for ratings.

Famous arguments that were heavily debated among fans, and are still heatedly unresolved, regardless of outcomes

BatFleck
Michael Keaton
Spider-Man 3
Nolan's Realistic approach to Batman
Iron Man 3
Snyder's Man of Steel
Green Lantern
X-Men Franchise
Ryan Reynold's as a hero, or character in any Comic Book Films

How it all turned out. Well, not all of it.

In the end these arguments will always be about individual interpretations that are subjective to each reader. This truth may be a larger problem overall. Because this is all observed in most human behavior, toward any subject, that can have an artistic, spiritual, or (generally) intangible aspect that requires interpretation.

The moment you separate technical understanding from artistic, then you have to rely on different opinions of people that you may look to for reasoning, if not yourself. As these trusted guides, critics, writers, directors; what have you. To only end up possibly branching out to their own interpretations. This gives rise to new aspects, rituals, and possibly rules, even laws, as to what should be done and / or what is expected.

While we, thankfully, don't have rules or laws to dawn against each other, we certainly have proverbial kneelings to the imagined alters of Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, John Romita Sr., Jerry Siegal, Joe Shuster, Bob Kane & Paul Dini, among many others. If it can be called a "ritual", many of us pilgrimage to Comic-Con each year almost nearing the million man mark.

Most common among these arguments is the DC versus Marvel issue. Which is somewhat pointless, in my opinion. By all means rage on amongst yourself, if you must; but I think many of us will just carry on loving both, flaws included.

Editorial Note:


While I'd love comic book nerds fighting to be more like this:



The truth of the matter is simply that it is almost always like this:




We need to learn, in the end, we all love the same things, regardless of how we interpret them. We need to learn to share in those things, not bicker like children over our differences. Simply? Because we rarely benefit or edify ourselves from the myriad of stupid arguments we all partake in (me included). But I do accept that some of the greatest ideas are born from disagreement, competition, and discord.

Where are you in debates among fans? Do you stay true to your arguments, do you bandwagon on popular notions, even if they differ from your own? Do you troll? Do you feed trolls, wittingly, or unwittingly?

Comment, tweet, share, bitch, moan, praise, adore, flame, complain about a typo, or add to the conversation however you please. You’re comic book fans, it’s your right! @emanuelfcamacho

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killerkooljames
killerkooljames - 9/8/2013, 4:47 PM
[frick] grif
113
113 - 9/8/2013, 4:50 PM
2nd
misner89
misner89 - 9/8/2013, 4:55 PM
so dc is better then marvel then lol
jlabatman
jlabatman - 9/8/2013, 4:55 PM
Damn killerkool, u mad dude?
jlabatman
jlabatman - 9/8/2013, 4:59 PM
hell yeah 0-4, all 4 teams tied for first!
skullboy
skullboy - 9/8/2013, 5:09 PM
Pretty much the norm in CBM which makes it less fun.

slap fight photo: computer fight op47g6op698op.gif
Mike89
Mike89 - 9/8/2013, 5:12 PM
There are hardly any arguments or debates about Spiderman 3 and Green Lantern. Both Movies sucked.
JFogg
JFogg - 9/8/2013, 5:14 PM
@Mikey89 your supporting his point....
efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/8/2013, 5:16 PM
@Supercat LOL!

@Iamnotyou & @Mike89 -- I'm pretty certain you both know there are thousands of opinions for those movies.

@skullboy lol great gif!

efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/8/2013, 5:33 PM
@iamnotyou - that's irrelevant, regardless if it was partly discovered in conjunction with diversion of opiates with morphine and other pain management drugs that have helped for over 100 years, Heroin has its uses...

Eitherway, don't turn this into that kind of article, or i'll just delete your posts. Keep your trolling for other articles please.
efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/8/2013, 5:35 PM
@Iamnotyou there you go, it's just opinion...I agree...

and a lot of people loved those movies, hence, you're are only proving my point.

Accept that you don't like something, and others do. It doesn't mean because they like it, it invalidates you, or you invalidate them. It just means there are varied opinions that are also part of varied tastes.
soaponapope
soaponapope - 9/8/2013, 5:41 PM
I hate to break it to you but the familiar teenage know-it-all behavior is not how young comic book fans behave, it's how all young people talk regardless. vulgar, sexist, racist, religious discrimination, etc. it is just how many of them talk, I know my friends and I did. in any other context it would be terribly inappropriate and made people not in our "circle" very uncomfortable, but between us it was just how we chit-chatted.

the point is that when you see comic book fans whining non stop about everything, remember that if you substituted harry potter or game of thrones for comic books the tone of their remarks would be just as harsh and vulgar.
beane2099
beane2099 - 9/8/2013, 5:43 PM
For me I still kind of have that "gee wiz" feeling about CBM's. The stuff you all take as a given is stuff that was nonexistent in my childhood. If someone had told 10-year-old Beane2099 that one day there would be live action Transformers and Avengers films and that those films would be billion dollar franchises I had have said "I don't even know what a billion dollars is." But seriously, this is a golden age. And sure you're not getting exact translations of your favorite characters and some of these films aren't as great as we'd like them to be, but living in a time when we're talking about "Phase 2 and Phase 3" of a shared cinematic comic book universe is pretty damn awesome. I don't care what side of the fence you hang your bacon from.
efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/8/2013, 6:02 PM
@iamnotyou i'm not going to get sucked in, don't divert again to a dumb comment about heroin...go make your argument on medline...

JoshBerger
JoshBerger - 9/8/2013, 6:19 PM
You are being sucked in. Let it go,man.
JoshBerger
JoshBerger - 9/8/2013, 6:22 PM
BTW I really am enjoying this complaint series, keep it up!
efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/8/2013, 6:45 PM
/@ spectacularjoshfest you're right, I kind of (almost) was...lol

Hard not to sometimes ^_~
JoeMomma29
JoeMomma29 - 9/8/2013, 7:00 PM
Hmmmm an article that is so true to its core, but will still start a flame war.
soup3161
soup3161 - 9/8/2013, 8:35 PM
You're really reaching here, Bro. This article and the last one weren't very good.
efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/8/2013, 8:39 PM
@soup3161 sure...lol
novaprime
novaprime - 9/8/2013, 10:19 PM
As a Fan im alright with Some Changes! but i do Not except What Ironman 3! did to me!! I Also Didnt like how Fox Teased us with a Big Ninja Fight Scene in The Wolverine & it only lasted 5 Seconds. I also hated the the Story changes Director Mangold did on the Silver Samurai. I
did Except The Dark knight Rises, Bane!! Even thoe i wouldve Preferred Some Venom and for him to Get Bigger!! I clearly loved
Man of steel!, despite Pa kents Death and the way lowes was Appearing in varied cities. i
sephiroth211
sephiroth211 - 9/8/2013, 11:29 PM
^Cocaine.^
novaprime
novaprime - 9/8/2013, 11:32 PM
@ChargingStar11; Sorry for hurting ur feelings do to my spelling! As u may not know, I am using a hand held device called a Galaxy s4.. It has a touchscreen on ware i do intend to make spelling mistakes!! Sorry if i made you SHIIT PISS VOMITT And cum on YOURSEFF!!, all at the same time after Staying my opinion on shitty Comicbookmovies I Bet You Loved!!!
novaprime
novaprime - 9/9/2013, 12:03 AM
Lmfaooooo!!!! Cocaiinn!!! Snooorrrttt!!!
Brady1138
Brady1138 - 9/9/2013, 12:58 AM
I love these articles. They should proudly be paraded across the internet!
MatTaylorX
MatTaylorX - 9/9/2013, 3:28 AM
What a waste of time these articles are. Some films are just not good. Deal with it.
novaprime
novaprime - 9/9/2013, 3:34 AM
Agreed with^^^^^^^ MatTaylor!!!
breakUbatman
breakUbatman - 9/9/2013, 4:01 AM
Is this really an issue specific to comic book fans though? Wouldn't the same be applied to sports fans or any other fan in general.

Most people tend to hold their opinions and choices in higher esteem than others. Using the Green Lantern example if I hate that movie it's only natural that I'll question someone's reason for liking it.

Even this article gives the impression that other fans are wrong for arguing amongst themselves.

MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 9/9/2013, 5:40 AM
Express your opinion as long as it aint troll like. Say what you need too but dont be a b**** about it.

"I dont think we need to be schooled by you."
fadersdream
fadersdream - 9/9/2013, 7:08 AM
I think we as fans are still getting used to the idea that this isn't our only chance.
If nothing else, the Spider-Man reboot proves that if a movie is terrible, it may not be permanent.
Unlike the development hell days now there is a chance that a new film will come out and fix what we hated, or ruin what we loved, but Comic Book movies are a part of our culture and it's not a miracle if one makes it to theaters, all our hopes don't need to be pinned to just one movie.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 9/9/2013, 8:29 AM
*walks in

*reads article and comments

Yea im not entering this Asylum

*walks out
Bartman87
Bartman87 - 9/9/2013, 9:25 AM
I'm with you Levi
Shadowmaster35
Shadowmaster35 - 9/9/2013, 10:13 AM
The way I see it; having your own opinion about something isn't going to change mine. Whether or not you agree with me means less than nothing to me. It's nice if you do and it's fine if you don't. It's all a nice piece of info, and makes me look deeper into why I do or don't like something sure, but in the end I still gotta make up my own mind. But I love ALL Marvel & DC stuff period. The epic, good, mediocore, crappy and Green Lantern movies alike.
jimdotbeep
jimdotbeep - 9/9/2013, 10:52 AM
Why are contributes to COMIC BOOK movie.com suddenly trying to come to the aid of Hollywood people trying to butcher our favorite Franchises. weather you're a DC or a Marvel it's clear that Hollywood cares way more about General audiences that they ever will about us or our beloved heroes and franchises.

An article on this very website featured an interview where the head of Marvel Studios openly admitted to knowing the fans would not like the maderin twist in Iron Man 3. We're the ones that have kept these comic book companies in business in the years and decades that didn't have blockbuster releases. There is NO reason we should just except that actors that have never even heard of most of these characters have the right to interpret these characters to us and tell us we're wrong when they mess it up.
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