Avengers Assembled Conjectured!

Avengers Assembled Conjectured!

Is Marvel attempting to unify their comics and movies into one continuum? You'd better believe it! Check out the tie-in clues and share your opinions.

Editorial Opinion
By Betty - Jan 17, 2010 05:01 PM EST
Filed Under: Other


Ok so I'm a little uninformed about this whole Siege, Dark Avengers, Dark Reing, thing. I haven't been reading any marvel books simply because I can't afford the event story lines that cross over all these books. I hear snippets here and there and stand and read in the store from time to time (which shop owners love) and I have to say some of it sounds great. I picked up a free “Origins of Siege” prologue the other day and noticed something interesting. In the middle of this free preview are 12 pages of origins that star our original Avengers line-up back to back. The origins of Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Bucky as Captain America, Spider-Man, Green Goblin, and Loki. On a side note this freebie also includes the origins of the Sentry, Wolverine, Doctor Doom, Ares, and the Hood, but they don't fit into my theory here so I'm going to choose to ignore them.

I know that all these characters are involved in “Siege” some how so that is why these character's origins are included. Makes sense right? Just extra fluff to fill a free little comic so we feel like we got something good, right? Or, maybe it's something more. Maybe it's a prototype for the long term plan that marvel has for its one universe film canon. I know when I'm trying to figure something out, I lay all the pieces out in front of me to see how it looks all together. The thing that struck me most about these origins is that they are so concise. All one page. All boiled down to the Hero's most identifying characteristics. All back to back and close together. They also match what little I have heard about all the new movies.

The origins fall in this order:

Captain America:
Steve Rogers as a young art student (new to me) is rejected from the army because he is too weak. After a series of chemical and radiological treatments (wording is new to me) he is transformed into a physically perfect human. Becomes Captain America, fights Nazis, punches Red Skull in the teeth, keeps morale high, the usual Cappy stuff. In the end is lost at sea the nation mourns. Sounds just like what I've heard about the new film and what they are going to focus on. I haven't heard anything about Red Skull though.

Iron Man: Origin is just like the movie which is basically the proper origin with minor changes.

Btw my scanner is busted so I had to take photos, boooo!

Thor:
Thor gets bored, fat, and lazy in an Asgard where not much is happening anymore. Odin decides that even a God should know humility. He wipes Thor's memory and banishes him to earth in the form of Donald Blake, selfless, physically disabled physician. Odin eventually gives him his memory back and Thor becomes one of earth's mightiest protectors. In the end of this one it shows Thor fighting one of the wrecking crew. I think the wrecking crew or one of the wrecking crew might be a minor villain next to Loki. Most of this somewhat matches what I've heard is being considered for the Thor film.

Captain America (Bucky):
It starts with how Bucky becomes attached to Captain America and leads to his disappearance and then his emergence as the Winter Soldier and later Captain America. I think this will be a plot point and might lead to more elements of Siege in the new Avengers movie.


Spider-Man:

Very basic origin here. Gets bit by spider, becomes super, uses it for personal gain, ignores responsibility, learns lesson, becomes hero. It seems to reiterate the basic comic origin and nothing to do with the film. Which makes sense because this IS the comic numbskull! Here me out though. There is going to be a reboot so that leads me to believe that they will reboot closer to Spidey's comic origins which means they can reintroduce Green Goblin. I know Sony owns the rights to Spidey and all but why leave him out of the Avengers? Leaving him in would be a lot more beneficial to everyone involved, fans and investors alike.

Green Goblin:
The origin reiterates that he is enhanced by a serum, not unlike Captain America, and he has access to technology, not unlike Iron Man. These two similarities like in Dark Rein, can be woven into plot points for the Avengers film. It ends with mentioning that Osborn's political connections keep him from paying for his crimes and free to terrorize the world like in Dark Rein.

Loki:
Loki the adopted son of Odin starts off as one of Asgard's protectors. He does something bad and blames Thor for his bad situation. Thor gets banished gives him ample opportunity to kill Thor in our world. Yet another possible plot point for the Thor film.



I could be reading too much into all of this and be too uniformed about what is going on in Siege. What I do know is that Marvel has to be planning for the future of their properties and the lives of their characters in film. They have to plan and plan well. They can't plan only for the individual films and one Super group film and be done with it. I'm sure what they want is to do with film what they've done with comics. The characters develop and cross over, continuing on and on.

This is from Siege Prologue first page:

Norman Osborne has unveiled his new identity as the Iron Patriot (not unlike Iron Man I) and has made bold moves across the US to remake the country's status quo into his image of justice and fairness. (sounds like a good foe for Iron Man or Avengers villain)

The Mighty Thor, god of thunder, has recently returned to earth and brought the golden city of Asgard, along with all the gods who called it home, with him. Asgard floats just feet above the fields of Oklahoma. Did I or did I not hear some Thor movie gossip that said they were bringing Asgard to earth? Why would a few plot points be similar? Why not more?

Osborn has partnered with Thor's brother Loki, the god of mischief, and they are about to unveil a plan that will get the great Asgard away from earth. We know that Loki has been cast for the Thor film. I don't think it's much of a stretch to think they will use more of the “Siege” storyline. Does this make any sense? What do you guys think?



Everything in Marvel universe is getting streamlined to coincide with their new movies. I would even say the Planet Hulk movie, changing Silver Surfer to Beta Ray Bill is in line with that.
--DogsOfWar
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Betty
Betty - 1/17/2010, 5:55 PM
Clearly you are a genius!
Betty
Betty - 1/17/2010, 6:18 PM
Really? I've never heard the art student thing or noticed I guess I should say.
Gauntlet
Gauntlet - 1/17/2010, 6:34 PM
Sure.
DogsOfWar
DogsOfWar - 1/17/2010, 6:36 PM
In the words of Colonel Klink (Hogans Heroes) Varrry Intarestink! As you saw from my earlier comment, Marvel is going to make sure all aspects of their empire help push the success of these movies. I doubt they will be able to use Osborn since he is still tied up with Sony but a Justin Hammer or some other crazed power broker could work.

@Betty-Thanks for using my quote up there man! I will be waiting for my royalty check in the mail.
Betty
Betty - 1/17/2010, 6:42 PM
tea-- I forget common knowledge on a daily basis. Wait, who are you? Are you that guy that hates Stan Lee? lol!

Dogs-- Check is in the mail! It's only fitting I quote you. I had just read your comment before reading that Siege Prologue.
Bamf7
Bamf7 - 1/17/2010, 7:08 PM
@Betty - I sure hope so!!!! This would be great. And how awesome would it be to have the Iron Patriot end up being a villain in one of the Avengers films??? Man, I hope I didn't just get my hopes up, haha
aroyalspider
aroyalspider - 1/17/2010, 7:25 PM
Sounds... Spectacular to me!
ukboy28
ukboy28 - 1/17/2010, 7:32 PM
if this is there plan then it's awesome

good work betty :)
l0rdleg0las
l0rdleg0las - 1/17/2010, 8:36 PM
i am actually glad Donald Blake isn't in the Thor movie. the average movie going person who has no knowledge of the comics would have absolutely no idea what is going on with Donald Blake.
BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 1/17/2010, 9:06 PM
This would be interesting, but I don't think the evidence really points to that. For one thing, I think they'll go with a story more like Ultimate Bucky with him as Steve's close friend and fellow soldier who is pretty much normal, ages naturally and is a old man by the time Steve returns. Siege has a lot to do with Norman Osborne. Norman and Spider-man won't cross over to any of these Marvel produced movies. Wishful thinking aside, Sony won't agree to letting characters they own the movie rights to, be used to make money for someone else (even if it would help their frnachise in the long run). Unless a mircale happens and the rights go from Sony to Marvel, we won't see Spider-man in the Marvel movie-verse for a long time.
Jaxim
Jaxim - 1/17/2010, 9:08 PM
@DogsOfWar "In the words of Colonel Klink (Hogans Heroes) Varrry Intarestink!"

If I'm not mistaken, the character that had that catch phrase was the German Soldier character played by Arte Johnson from Laugh-In.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arte_Johnson
AshleyWilliams
AshleyWilliams - 1/17/2010, 9:10 PM
Very Convincing Betty!

You Might Be Right!
SHHH
SHHH - 1/17/2010, 9:19 PM
Good Editoral! U are on to something..Marvel cookin up something real nice for us all to see..
Betty
Betty - 1/17/2010, 9:20 PM
lol! Thanks!

deathmetalbrian & l0rdleg0las-- Oh, I think Blake will be in the film. He'll be in the very end, possibly.

Thor rumor rundown states,

Feige also talked about the upcoming Thor movie, confirming that it will take place mostly in Asgard, the mythical Norse realm of the gods, and not in the contemporary real world. “The film is not all Asgard, but it will be a big chunk in Asgard, yeah.” (SciFi.com)

also

"to be like a superhero origin story, but not one about a human gaining super powers, but of a god realizing his true potential. It's the story of an Old Testament god who becomes a New Testament god." (Daily Herald)

and

"When Loki's scheming leads to Thor being banished from Asgard, he must forget his vanity, find Mjolnir, and make his way home. (TheComicForums.com)"

I think Donald Blake is too movie perfect to NOT be in the film.
AshleyWilliams
AshleyWilliams - 1/17/2010, 9:26 PM
You Notice that they use the New and more Realistic costume for his new earth suit.They Might use that one for the Movie. Coinsedence?Don't think so.
DogsOfWar
DogsOfWar - 1/17/2010, 9:29 PM
Thanks Jaxim, I'm mixing my Germans up. Usually only do that on techno night but oh well.
peterparker420
peterparker420 - 1/17/2010, 9:45 PM
IT could REALLY MEAN SOMETHING!!..I think you're on
yhe RIGHT track..I read that very same comic..and got to pondering myself..I thought they were Re-telling
these ORIGINS tales SO, New readers could seethe ORIGINS.
ALSO I thought is this ALSO going to be how the MOVIES
tell there stories?

GOOD CALL EITHER WAY!
TheGambitFreak
TheGambitFreak - 1/17/2010, 9:54 PM
Hey guy's um i have a question needing an answer i read in the "Oklahoman" paper and it said something about asgard and oklahoma? what was that bout?
sansClaymore
sansClaymore - 1/17/2010, 10:30 PM
spidey reboot may put norman osbourne back in the game for the marvel movie-verse.avengers??????many talking about seige style story line for the avengers. i mentioned in another post about spidey in avengers cuz well he is an avenger at one point or another but got barked at because sonys copyright over spiderman yada yada.i say, if they want to make the movie-verse one continous connecting universe than thor will bring it all home. fiege not only mentioned asgard but the word universe.so from earth to space and beyond all in one setting.so far stark banner and soon to be thor live here.the existence of shield and nick fury.so can spidey or lets say any x-men exist here too?the punisher lol?daredevil and electra?bullseye and the kingpin?

sansClaymore
sansClaymore - 1/17/2010, 10:34 PM
mephistopholes and the ghost rider?the fantastic four and silver surfer already defaeated a threat from space in galactus(that joke) but is this all one universe i say it can be with a little creativity.a few good cameos or something a simple as a news broadcast on a tv or news paper mentioning some other hero not pertaining or involved in the movie itself can round things out. i mean hey whos to say fury and shield werent aware of or keeping tabs on magnetos antics at alcatraz and the death of the pheonix at wolvies hands(claws).and did mandarin or obadiah stain actually die in ironman, or what?the abomination was still breathing and the scientist definatey got the rad juice to the brain.
Betty
Betty - 1/17/2010, 10:49 PM
thas what I'm sayin'! Know what I'm sayin'?
THEHAWK
THEHAWK - 1/17/2010, 10:55 PM
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mapex26
mapex26 - 1/17/2010, 11:02 PM
sansClaymore-That would be really cool if they could mention them some how but I think the other studios would put a stop to it, Marvel would have to pay royalties on their own characters.
Betty
Betty - 1/17/2010, 11:16 PM
Multi-- You know I never knew that. I don't know how it escaped me.
sansClaymore
sansClaymore - 1/17/2010, 11:19 PM
thats what im saying though regardless of who owns image rights if you were to ask stan lee i think hed agree that he sees all the marvel character films as being in the same universe. marvel still owns most of everything else. once certain contracts are fulfilled it will open up the ability for disney/marvel to buy back property rights, hopefully opening the door to future collaborations/tie-ins. it worked in dc's superman returns(dont get me started on that chopshop)when clark walked past a flatscreen with a news anchor mentioning that news reached as far as gotham. simple. no batman, just the word gotham, worked well.could nick fury in one of his insane rants in ironman 2 mention but breeze past without further insight on the "mutant population" just saying mutant can have a profound effect on assuming the x-men's universe was one in the same.in fact i highly suggest fav's add something along those lines if it isnt already in there.i mean come on , the hulk is in the avengers but the hulk wolverine battles are always the most savage.would make for great cinema lol.
DogsOfWar
DogsOfWar - 1/17/2010, 11:26 PM
Brian Bendis hinted at this also. This is from an article last week
Will The Avengers Movie be Using Aspects of Upcoming Siege Comic Book Event?

sansClaymore
sansClaymore - 1/17/2010, 11:29 PM
they can still save spidey storyline too. if they bring in norman osbourne by movie trickery ie. back from the dead, remember oscorp is an arms co. just like stark ind.working on some freaky stuff ie. the green goblin gas, armor, hovercraft etc. whos to say hes not frozen somewhere and shield is ontop of it. and remember the weird visions his son harry had of him in the mirror that led to the discovery of his goblin gear.osborne plays a prevelant role in the seige storyline to say the least. and just for sheer rightiousness they should breifly glimpse wolverine and sabertooth behind captain america in the landing craft at normandy in the beginning of the first avenger lol!!!! great vid dogs!!!
sansClaymore
sansClaymore - 1/17/2010, 11:42 PM
and to beat a dead horse lol.at the end of the avengers have banner wind up hurtling through space towards a black hole.and set a 2013 release date for planet hulk the live action cgi imax 3d epic.lol (the black hole makes him angry very very angry, so epically angry he survives a black hole angry and is now stuck in hulk form ready to smash and take $#!t over!)
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 1/18/2010, 12:45 AM
My opinion is,,, MARVEL should lose the ULTIMATE sh1t!

; D

Great article @ BETTY!!
Betty
Betty - 1/18/2010, 1:29 AM
sansClaymore-- hahaha, lol

LEEE777-- Thanks, but some of the Ultimate stuff has saved Marvel's ass I'm sure!

LuckyKyd
LuckyKyd - 1/18/2010, 2:29 AM
Well speculated thoughts, very good article Betty!

I guess this sort of makes sense with the spiderman reboot, Sony had it planned for 2012 no matter what happened, as of what I read. So it makes sense that it's because they need to revive an important character, I can't think of anyone more important right now than Norman Osbourn.
Furthermore assuming that you are on to something here(which I actually think you are) it means that Marvel is getting that much debated influence on Sony, that every Spidey article seems to suggest.

I really hope this is true, though I haven't read neither Siege or Dark Reign, kind of due to the same reason as you(Betty) ;)
mpk1988
mpk1988 - 1/18/2010, 4:53 AM
where did superkal go?? :)
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