Champions Battle Poll (Round 1 of week 11)

Lady Shiva vs Daredevil...
Savage Dragon vs Thing...
Spawn vs Hal Jordan...

Feature Opinion
By GuardianDevil - May 07, 2013 02:05 PM EST
Filed Under: Other
Source: Fenix122

Hey guys, I'm reformatting the battle poll so that it would last longer. Also because my schedule just got a whole lot busier, frankly I don't have time or the ability to post the battles every day, so I am going to do 3 a week, on Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday I will post new battles.

Previous battles:

Lady Shiva beat Elektra.
Thing beat Badrock.
Hal Jordan beat Drax the Destroyer.

As always, be objective and use most iconic version unless said otherwise.

Daredevil vs Lady Shiva




Thing vs Savage Dragon



Hal Jordan vs Spawn



Marksmen battle

this is 3 on 3, Marvel vs DC marksmen.




Thanks for voting, feel free to express your opinion in the comments and explain your decisions.
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relentless1
relentless1 - 5/7/2013, 3:17 PM
Daredevil
Thing
Spawn
Marvel Marksmen
FOOM
FOOM - 5/7/2013, 3:35 PM
What relentless said.
relentless1
relentless1 - 5/7/2013, 5:22 PM
Batman > daredevil loudlon
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/7/2013, 5:25 PM
@LoudLon
I think Deathstroke and Cap would beat DD in martial arts, but then I think Batman, Bronze Tiger, Black Panther and Richard Dragon would be roughly even with him IMO.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/7/2013, 5:38 PM
On a Batman/Daredevil fight I'd probably call that a draw, they're just too even. Physically Batman is stronger (he can lift 1,100 lbs while DD can lift 900 lbs) so he has the strength advantage, but DD is faster, has superhuman agiity and has superhuman level reflexes. So that evens out...


DD has radar sense and other powers like that but Bats has gadgets to match up. So that evens out...

Martially neither one is clearly better IMO, DD has outfought Iron Fist (without chi) and gotten the best of Wolverine, as well as stalemated Black Panther. While Bats has outfought the likes of Shiva and Cassie as well as stalemate Bronze Tiger. Frankly, they have roughly equal skill feats. So that evens out too...

Batman is a master tactician, but DD has the senses which also have him a master of tactical analysis and manouvering. So that evens out too...

Anywhere you look I just don't see either one of them gaining the upper hand.
unknownfacts
unknownfacts - 5/7/2013, 6:15 PM
Daredevil vs Lady Shiva

This would be an interesting fight but in the end I think Daredevil could pull out a win.

Thing vs Savage Dragon

Thing by knock out.

Spawn vs Green Lantern

Spawn suits feeds off the energy of evil so being that Hal isn't particular evil the energy that Spawn needs to power his attacks would be finite.Same can be said for Hal's power ring to a point.Seeing as Hal isn't as constricted in power use as Spawn,Hal should be victorious.

Marvel Marksmen vs DC Marksmen

DC marksmen Red Hood and Dead Shot wear more body armor so they would be harder to kill then their opponents.Arrow and Hawkeyes are dead even in archery skills.All Ollie needs do is hold out till either teammate finish their opponent and tag team Clint for the win.
scootaloo
scootaloo - 5/8/2013, 7:06 AM
Theres no legitimate way for Daredevil to win. I think you guys are forgetting that Shiva is arguably the best martial artist in the DCU. Man strength vs Woman strength is just a stupid argument. And I doubt his enhanced senses are gonna win him every fight.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/8/2013, 12:02 PM
^^
Shiva IS NOT the best fighter in DCU, she's lost against the likes of Batman and Cassie and I would think Deathstroke and Bronze Tiger would be superior.

Man strength vs woman strength isn't a dumb argument, how is it a dumb argument??? If we were having Daredevil vs Batman, than the argument would come up that Batman is stronger so he should have the striking power advantage. But when it's a girl, folks tend to forget that. Shiva iirc can lift around 300 lbs, while DD can lift 900 lbs. like it or not he's superior in every physical attribute. And skill wise he's most likely a tad better, as well as the fact that he has super powers. There are plenty of "legitimate" ways for DD to win this.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/8/2013, 3:08 PM
@Unknownfacts
Explain to me how Arrow and Hawkeye are equal marksmen. GA is only good with a bow, Hawks is good with anything you put in his hands, he basically the goodguy version of Bullseye.
unknownfacts
unknownfacts - 5/8/2013, 7:23 PM
@Fenix122

1.Unless I miss the mark I said archery skills meaning bows and arrows.

2.This is a standard match each fighter uses their standard equipment which in this case is bows and arrows.

3.Hawkeyes ability to be a great marksmen with any projectile weapon is moot per reason 2.
relentless1
relentless1 - 5/8/2013, 7:24 PM
@ loudlon, no way dude, batman is faster, stronger and has more h2h skill, when he encountered bulseye, he KOed him, on the way down bullseye even mentioned how batman hits even harder that daredevil, i will give it to daredevil in agility, that he does have on batman but reflexes they are the same, batman has been recorded as dodging bullets, id say daredevil has mastered 15 martial arts while bats has mastered 127, dd will give wayne a good fight but in the end batman would win by KO, not to mention he has sonar equipment on him at all times which would mess with dds senses
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/8/2013, 9:44 PM
^^ Batman vs Bullseye isn't canon.

Batman hits just a bit harder than DD because he's a bit stronger. But DD has greater speed as well as superhuman agility and superhuman reflexes. His reflexes ARE NOT equal to Batman's they are greater.

DD has super senses, radar and the like. But Batman has gadgets to match up...

Batman is a master tactician, but DD has got the senses which make him a master of tactical analysis because he can see/hear/feel everything around the person and can find a weak spot.

No matter what you guys say, they are dead even in martial arts. They have equal skill feats so I don't see how either one can be better.

Circumstances would allow a win for either one, but on a normal day they'd tie everywhere.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/8/2013, 10:11 PM
Batman isn't faster, nor does he have better h2h skill.
jojofmd
jojofmd - 5/8/2013, 11:45 PM
I find it hilarious we're discussing DD vs Bats and that fight isn't even on the docket.

The way I see it, is if Bat has the infamous "prep" he can disable, confuse and render DD's radar sense, and his biggest advantage, useless. From there it's a fight of a highly trained blind man versus arguably one the greatest marital artists in DC. So I would have to give it to Bats. Bats vs IF a different story. IF punches a hole through his "symbol". ;)

On the actual fights DD wins this.
The Thing wins in a knockdown drag out fight

So LoudLon, you read Spawn in your early 30's? cause if you read Spawn in the 30s you'd be REALLY old and have time travel. ;)

Hal vs Spawn. This is tough but if Spawn's energy is finite, especially given Hal's power is cosmic in its nature, I would give it to Hal.
relentless1
relentless1 - 5/9/2013, 12:48 AM
marvel database doesnt say anything about dd having superhuman agility or reflexes man, hes a regular human aside from the superhuman senses and balance, now ill meet u halfway and say that batman and dd are more or less even in most aspects, h2h, reflexes, skills... dd has him with agility but batman has him outclassed in strength and weapons
relentless1
relentless1 - 5/9/2013, 12:55 AM
Peak Human Conditioning: Through intense training, specialized diet, and biofeedback treatments, Batman represents the pinnacle of human physical prowess. His physical attributes exceeded that of any Olympic level athlete that has ever completed.[citation needed] Strength, speed, stamina, agility, reflexes and coordination are at peak human perfection.
relentless1
relentless1 - 5/9/2013, 12:55 AM
^ thats goes for cap too
jojofmd
jojofmd - 5/9/2013, 1:17 AM
Relentless1, the difference between cap and bats, and this has be harped TO DEATH(seriously I've been known to beat a dead horse but this thing has been in the grave for like 6 years), is that bats is peak human conditioning for someone of his height/weight class etc. Cap is all humans ever. Big difference.
relentless1
relentless1 - 5/9/2013, 1:20 AM
it says right there that batman is the pinnacle of human physical prowess, that means the pinnacle of what a human can achieve, same as cap, except batman didnt have to take a steroid shortcut to get there
jojofmd
jojofmd - 5/9/2013, 1:59 AM
I would then take a page out of Fenix's book and say, show me the featsfax. ;) What feats have they done that back that up. In that department, Cap wins.
Like I said before however, this has nothing to do with Bats, but DD vs Lady Shiva.
relentless1
relentless1 - 5/9/2013, 2:02 AM
yeah, it kindof devolved into bats and dd, as far as this fight goes, totally agreed that dd takes shiva out but she'll get a few good hits in thats for sure
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/9/2013, 12:12 PM
DD has superhuman agility and reflexes. Always has....
relentless1
relentless1 - 5/9/2013, 4:29 PM
@ fenix, from the marvel db: Daredevil is classed superb-Olympic athlete, gymnast, acrobat, and aerialist due to constant training and exercise since his preteens. His reflexes and agility are equally remarkable and are on par with the finest human athletes.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/9/2013, 5:14 PM
wikis are not reliable and I've said that before. I know my stuff, DD's agility is on par with the likes of Beast, Gambit, Spider-Man, etc. and his reflexes are enhanced by the senses/radar so much so that he doesn't even need to dodge bullets. He can stand and take automatic gunfire head on and simply swat away bullet after bullet coming in at lightning speed. Batman can dodge bullets at times, but not at that level I mean C'mon. DD's reflexes and agility are superhuman and they always have been.
jojofmd
jojofmd - 5/12/2013, 2:19 AM
The thing with DD though is, if you jack up his Radar and hearing then you jack up his agility. It's all due to that enhancement. He can react because he hears the trigger being fired and the click of the guns so he can react before the bullet leaves the chamber. If you mess that up, out the window goes his agility. that is why Bats might stand a chance. If he uses a gadget to disable DD's abilities, (which isn't that farfetched) he would then have the upper hand and win.
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