EDITORIAL - Evaluating Which Studio Could Challenge Marvel

EDITORIAL - Evaluating Which Studio Could Challenge Marvel

With the Marvel Studios machine pumping on all cylinders, which studio could pose the biggest threat to their supremacy?

Editorial Opinion
By TwistedKingdom - Jun 17, 2014 12:06 PM EST
Filed Under: Other

 

It wasn't that long ago. Marvel Studios arrived with ambitions of creating a shared cinematic universe inhabited by all of their properties. Well, the ones they still held the rights to. The plan was to introduce characters like Iron Man, Thor and Captain America in standalone films, culminating in an Avengers movie. An unprecedented achievement.

 

Well. It worked.

 

Six years later, Marvel Studios sits comfortably at the top of the mountain. It isn't even close. Now, other studios are looking to get in on the "Cinematic Universe" fun. But which one has the best chance of standing toe-to-toe with the reigning king?

 

This editorial will break it down studio by studio. We'll look at the studios' properties, how they presently measure up to Marvel and what changes could be made to strengthen their product. First up…

 

SONY PICTURES
 


PROPERTY

 

Spider-Man

 

HOW THEY MEASURE UP

 

Was rebooting so soon after Spider-Man 3 a mistake? No. Telling the same story with different actors was.
 

Ads for 2012's The Amazing Spider-Man promised the "untold story". In the end, the only real difference between Marc Webb and Sam Raimi's takes was tone.


TASM grossed over $750M worldwide, doing good business abroad. The sequel is tracking behind TASM but recently crossed the $700M mark, also doing well abroad - over $500M.

 

Sony has a ways to go before they can measure up to Marvel. In fact, it's an interesting situation where they're actually chasing themselves.

They know how huge a property Spider-Man can be. Yet, neither of the TASM films have come close to the success the Raimi films achieved.

The Amazing Spider-Man 2 has not only grossed the least of the previous films but is the worst reviewed.

So this raises the question…

 

WHAT CHANGES COULD BE MADE

 

Sony announced, in addition to three sequels to TASM they would be expanding the Spidey universe with a Sinister Six film and a rumored Venom spin-off.

All of this sounds like 1. They're trying to expand because that's the thing to do with comic book movies nowadays and 2. Sony is doing everything they can to hold on to the rights.


 

Spider-Man just isn't a "shared universe" property. Sony should forget about all that. They don't need it. If they want to restore Spidey back to his early 2000's glory, they need to give the audience something they aren't getting from other franchises.

 

They were actually on the right track when they said they were putting Peter back in high school. Because one of the great things that sets Spider-Man apart from all the other superheroes is this - he's just a boy.

 

Look at the Harry Potter franchise. Harry's adventures felt different because he, Hermione and Ron were only kids. Seeing a boy in danger evokes different emotions than watching a shirtless Hugh Jackman, Henry Cavill or Chris Hemsworth in peril.

 

Webb had the chance to cast a young, up and coming talent to play Peter. Going this direction would also open the franchise up to themes like the loss of innocence and the difficult journey from adolescence into adulthood.
 

 
 
 

(From left: Asa Butterfield as Peter Parker/Spider-Man, Elle Fanning as Gwen Stacy, Bella Thorne as Mary Jane Watson, and Colin Ford as Harry Osborne)

Instead, Webb went with, then 26, now 30 year old Garfield. It was like casting Tobey McGuire all over again. The new franchise immediately lost a valuable and extremely unique trait audiences can only find in a Spider-Man adventure.

 

This property could be a billion dollar franchise again, owning whatever Summer it's released in. How does Sony contend with Marvel? Give the audience something Marvel can't. A franchise like this…
 

 

FOX
 


PROPERTIES

 

The X-Men, The Fantastic Four, Deadpool, The Silver Surfer

 

HOW THEY MEASURE UP

 

Fox was off to a decent start with X-Men and X2: X-Men United. But there was a sense the franchise was becoming too Wolverine heavy. In X-Men: The Last Stand he was essentially promoted to team leader.

 

X-Men Origins: Wolverine continued the trend. But not only did the film underwhelm, it ignited the now infamous continuity problems. X-Men: First Class, despite being one of the better entries in the franchise, added to them. Many praise this year's Days of Future Past for "fixing" the continuity issues but, in reality, it made matters worse.

 

Still, DOFP, globally, is the highest grossing X-Film by far. At the time of writing this, $205M domestic, $661M worldwide and climbing.

 

Fox handed the Fantastic Four films to director Tim Story. The first entry brought in $330M worldwide in 2005 while 2007's Rise of the Silver Surfer came in under $300M altogether. A reboot directed by Josh Trank is planned for 2015 while a sequel is penciled in for 2017. The casting news alone already has some fans fearing the worst for the new FF franchise.

 

As for a Deadpool solo film, it's still waiting in development.

 

All in all, Fox measures up with Marvel Studios just fine…on paper. It's in the execution where they come up short. If Warner Bros. is criticized for underutilizing their properties, so should Fox for theirs.

 

Regarding the X-films, it took them 11 years to give audiences the Hellfire Club, 14 for the Sentinels and it'll be 16 by the time Apocalypse appears in X-Men: Apocalypse.

 

WHAT CHANGES COULD BE MADE

 

Fox is in the same position as Sony to give audiences something they aren't getting from the other studios. A couple things, actually.
 


First - diversity. The X-Men, in particular. Focus on the whole team and not just Wolverine. They have a rich history of characters and stories. The X-rosters could easily be cast with international superstars, not just Hollywood's reigning "It" girl or guy. Roles like Storm, Colossus, Gambit and Nightcrawler could be used to introduce this diverse talent to a wider audience.

 

It shouldn't have taken Marvel getting its own studio for audiences to get a shared universe. Fox could've done it long before them with X-Factor and Excalibur films. Can anyone say Captain Britain movie? This kicks the door wide open for villains other than Magneto. Threats like Mr. Sinister, Apocalypse or even the Shadow King. 

 

The second thing Fox could offer - two super teams in one movie. DOFP and FF writer Simon Kinberg has said the X-Men and FF won't exist in the same universe. Here's a better idea - they DO exist in the same universe. Can you imagine seeing the Fantastic Four and X-Men in the same movie? Instant "event movie".

 

Don't just reboot the X-Men, reboot everything. Start fresh and build an expansive universe, stretching into television, like Marvel. An X-themed show on Fox makes sense. How about a "viewer discretion advised" Deadpool show on FX? But it would only work with Fox hitting "reset".

 

Oh, and this would be the perfect team to start their new cinematic universe with.
 

 

 

WARNER BROS.



PROPERTIES

 

The DC Comics universe.

 

HOW THEY MEASURE UP

 

The issue with Warner Bros. is and has always been the executives in charge. They don't seem to understand their DC properties, therefore, they don't have faith in them. And what good is a library as vast as DC Comics without 100% faith?

 

This leads to questionable decisions. Decisions like making 2006's Superman Returns a pseudo sequel to the Donner/Reeve films instead of taking a fresh approach. Decisions like Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy.



"Blasphemous!" you say. Think about it - it worked out for Nolan and Warner but did nothing for the DC universe. Because Warner agreed to Nolan wanting his Batman to exist in his own universe, setting a potential DCCU back at least seven or eight years.

 

Believe it or not, 2011's Green Lantern may have suffered for it. Overall, the film served no purpose. It wasn't a part of the Nolan-verse. It wasn't the kick-off for a new DCCU, which would've raised "what about Batman" questions. Warner dodged a bullet with Justice League: Mortal.

 

The effects of Nolan's trilogy still linger today...

 

  

 

Warner execs had been trying to make a new franchise out of Superman for years. And Nolan had just delivered them a billion dollar franchise with his Dark Knight films. It's easy to see where their heads were at - "Let's make this Superman movie just like we made the Dark Knight".

Warner Bros. and the filmmakers followed the Dark Knight formula down to its DNA. From tone to marketing to its title. The film could easily have been called The Dark Knight of Steel.

The strategy did help Man of Steel set a record for June, becoming only the fourth non sequel ever to open north of $100M. But despite it's record breaking opening, reviews and audiences' reception were mixed. The $225M Man of Steel topped out just short of $670M worldwide. Why? The film is immensely polarizing. Fans still argue over it a year later.

Some believe measuring Warner Bros. to Marvel Studios may be premature with a brand new DCCU starting. But, as with Fox, Warner could've been well into their own shared universe long before Marvel.

Here's something a few of you might find interesting - If the Supergirl movie didn't bomb we just might have gotten a Christopher Reeve/Helen Slater team up in the 80s. "Food for thought"!

WHAT CHANGES COULD BE MADE

The big buzz now is the rumored slew of DC films Warner has planned through 2018, starting with Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice in 2016. The list is rather random and raises a ton of questions. Plus it's all predicated on BvS remaining on May 6.

In a recent article The Hollywood Reporter states, with Tom Cruise's Edge of Tomorrow and Adam Sandler's Blended turning out to be disappointments, the studio has hit a rough patch observers predict could last into 2015. Post Dark Knight and Harry Potter, Warner doesn't have any proven franchises to rely on.

So, maybe the possibility of moving Dawn of Justice back to 2015 isn't out of the question.



This may be unpopular with some but Warner should just "Do As Marvel Does". Marvel already laid out the blueprint on how to establish a cinematic universe. Even better, they've proven it can work. Solo films leading to a team up is a sound strategy. The benefits far outweigh any concerns over looking like they're "copying Marvel". Hey, everyone's copying them. Disney is copying them with the Star Wars universe and they own Marvel.

Warner Bros. needs to forget about trying to appear different or looking like they're doing their own thing. Do As Marvel Does. Hire different filmmakers to bring the DC universe to life instead of relying on the same people. Preferably talent with respected bodies of work.

Green Lantern deserves better than the one shot he got in 2011.

The Flash deserves a big screen solo adventure not a TV show on the CW or a team up with Lantern.

And Wonder Woman? Her introduction should've come in her own film, not as a third wheel in another franchise.

Setting up Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and the Flash individually, before a Justice League film, makes the most sense.

The pedigree of these characters alone should set them apart from anything Marvel has done. Should.

Again, it all depends on the talent behind the films. More receptions like the ones Man of Steel got won't cut it.

IN CLOSING

Lately studios like Fox, Warner Bros. and Sony seem content with their $200M+ investments bringing in $700M worldwide. And fans, for some reason, use Man of Steel's $668M as a benchmark.


Wouldn't a better measure be a film like 2002's Spider-Man? A $139M movie that earned $820M worldwide BEFORE the advent of IMAX, 3D and ballooning ticket prices?

In an ideal world there would be a fourth studio on this list. Revisionist history time:

Say, years ago, Time Warner heard Marvel was in the process of getting its own studio and decided to invest $600M or $700M into a film company for DC. Completely independent of Warner Bros. A film company run by comic book enthusiasts.

Maybe in 2005 this company doesn't allow Nolan's Batman to exist in his own universe. Instead he's part of a much larger one. And that same year (instead of 2011) we get a much better Green Lantern film - the second step in building this new universe.

And what if DC green lights the long rumored The Flash for 2006? Followed by Joss Whedon's Wonder Woman, starring Cobie Smulders, for 07. Then, in 2008, audiences get a Batman follow up and a proper Superman reboot that November. All leading to a Justice League movie July 2009.

The studio that pulled this off would be able to challenge Marvel. And it would be called DC Studios. Hey, a guy can dream, can't he?


Regardless of how all the studios are doing, this is the best time to be a comic book movie fan. Love these movies or hate them, the fact they're even getting made is amazing. Anyway, who do you believe could give Marvel Studios a run for their money?

Sound off below and thanks for reading!

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yossarian
yossarian - 6/17/2014, 12:33 PM
The competition is only in your mind. Like space and time.
TwistedKingdom
TwistedKingdom - 6/17/2014, 12:38 PM
@yossarian

May 6, 2016 says otherwise.
kong
kong - 6/17/2014, 12:39 PM
Nice write up. I kind of got out of it on your WB rant towards the end, but all in all still a good article.
yossarian
yossarian - 6/17/2014, 12:42 PM
@Twisted - And that would be part of time right? That exists only in your mind.
StupidSexyFlanders
StupidSexyFlanders - 6/17/2014, 1:11 PM
WB is the only studio that owns all there properties so they have the best chance. Marvels most popular character is with Sony and best villains with Fox. What could be better then the avengers? Justice League.
QuestionDAnswer
QuestionDAnswer - 6/17/2014, 1:16 PM
@TwistedKingdom

Actually WB owns five universes DC, Wildstorm, Milestone, Charlton and Vertigo. So I think WB has the best chance, and they have a boatload of superhero teams they can use. I mean they have their entire universe/library at their finger tips, it just all depends on how they use them.
yossarian
yossarian - 6/17/2014, 1:17 PM
@Deth - Exactly.
Ghostpointzero
Ghostpointzero - 6/17/2014, 1:21 PM
I can't be the only one getting tired of the lets do it the Marvel Studios way crap am I?. X-Men Days Of Future Past was just as good as Winter Soldier if not better in some aspects and it was not a Marvel studios property. Why exacty does DC/WB need to copy the Marvel Studios formula? One we barely know anything beside the casting and some rumors floating around about BvS Dawn Of Justice storyline.

TwistedKingdom
TwistedKingdom - 6/17/2014, 1:23 PM
@Flanders

Marvel Studios' characters have become more popular thanks to their work over the last few years. The appeal of a Justice League movie would be seeing Batman Superman and Wonder Woman on the screen together. We're already getting that with BvS so I'm not so sure about the JL.

@Reddest

Thanks for checking it out anyway.

@Omarvis

I'm not so sure those dates will stand. Simply because there's too much money at stake.

@Snikt

Fox's DOFP is their only comic book movie to cross $500M worldwide. TASM2 may have made more than Dark World but Dark World didn't lose the top spot after 1 week. As for BvS topping IM3 & Avengers, no doubt at all?

@Yossarian

"And that would be part of time right? That exists only in your mind."

Okay, I confess. You lost me. Time is only in my mind?
Forthas
Forthas - 6/17/2014, 1:29 PM
A very good analysis except for one thing...there was NOTHING that prevented WB from incorporating Man of Steel with the Dark Knight films and launching a DC univeres with it.

Let me first address one falsehood that I hear OVER and OVER again that is so easy to disprove. The idea that Christopher Nolan somehow won't let anyone expand his universe. In fact the OPPOSITE happened, he ADVOCATED for an expansion of his universe. How you might ask? Nolan gave an interview to Access Hollywood in regard to Catwoman. He stated “She's an incredible character and we're very excited to see her and hopefully we'll leave people wanting more." When they asked him if that meant he would be interested in taking charge of a future Catwoman movie, Nolan said: "For me, Gotham and these characters, I'm done. I've told our story and I'm moving on [but] I certainly think she deserves it – she's incredible."

http://www.accesshollywood.com/christopher-nolan-anne-hathaway-should-get-a-catwoman-spinoff_article_67012

This statement COMPLETELY contradicts the often retold lie that Nolan would not allow an expansion of his “universe.” While it is true he personally did not want to continue doing these movies, he at no point EVER stated that the movies or universe could not continue without him. Disney changes directors all of the time, so there was no reason why WB could not do the same.

Had WB gone this route, it would have put them LIGHT YEARS ahead of where they are. Both the Man of Steel and Dark Knight film franchises (especially the origin stories) complemented each other in the way they were filmed (look) and in the way the stories were told - in a nonlinear fashion. The nonsense that the Batman movies are “too realistic” doesn’t hold water unless you believe in : a microwave emitter that turns water in to gas instantly; a bat-mobile (which is essentially a tank) that can jump from building to building; a device that can summon swarms of bats; a gadget that can reconstruct shattered bullets; a man who walks around with half his face burned off; a sonar device that takes over peoples cell phone to create a sonic image of anyplace in the world; a mercenary who is able to punch through concrete pillars without breaking his hands; or a program that can wipe out your entire existence from every computer on earth.

Just like Iron Man did with the Marvel Universe, the Dark Knight films could have laid the ground work for a shared universe. What’s more, marketing wise it would have been the gift that keeps on giving for WB. Since Batman Begins predates Iron Man, it takes away Marvel's claim that they were the first to start their shared universe. If the Dark Knight films were incorporated with Man of Steel, three of their four films in the DC universe would have been among the most critically acclaimed. The combination of the actors from both franchises have collectively more critical praise than that of Marvels and in fact an onscreen meeting between Christian Bale’s Bruce Wayne and Amy Adam’s Lois Lane could have been a marketing bonanza for WB since both actors are well known for playing opposite one another in celebrated films. Furthermore, you would already have four super heroes established (Batman, Superman, Catwoman, and a variation on Nightwing from the Dark Knight Rises). In addition to that, the next film would be the studio's fifth movie in the shared universe as opposed to what is now only it’s second. WB has bungled this so badly, it is worse than how they trashed the Batman movies in the 1990’s. The reason that WB is in such a weak position when it comes to its DC properties is because of bad decisions plain and simple.
Pasto
Pasto - 6/17/2014, 2:01 PM
WB is the only other studio out there they has the potential to crush Marvel.

They just need to (hopefully) pull their head out of their ass...
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 6/17/2014, 2:25 PM
Sony has no chance, they only have one hero and they're doing a horrible job with him.

Fox and DC both have nigh-unlimited potential, they've both just begun to tap into it.

Marvel has plenty of characters but not all of them are that interesting. Sooner or later they are going to exhaust themselves and run out of interesting characters whereas Fox and DC have unlimited potential.

This whole article feels like one huge ass kiss to Kevin Feige.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 6/17/2014, 2:26 PM
Btw, that wasnt meant to be a jab at MS. I like all of their films except IM3.
Nomadic1
Nomadic1 - 6/17/2014, 2:38 PM
@omarvls Is this a Nova rumor or do you have casting news or scene description or anything?
HulkOnion
HulkOnion - 6/17/2014, 4:02 PM
OMARVLS


GotG isnt even confirmed yet.


HELL, THE FIRST ONE ISNT EVEN IN THEATERS
TwistedKingdom
TwistedKingdom - 6/17/2014, 5:06 PM
@ Forthas

I prefer the idea of Batman Begins establishing the DCCU over the expansion of the universe Nolan established. That sounds like what he's implying in the article regarding Selina Kyle.

In "Begins", Wayne Enterprises is going public. Bruce asks who's buying. That would've been the perfect chance to introduce LexCorp.

@ Guardian

"Fox and DC both have nigh-unlimited potential, they've both just begun to tap into it."

Fox had an 8 year head start. Warner Bros. much longer. Both companies could (or should) be further along. @Forthas gives a good example above. Why are they only just now tapping into their potential?

Hells yeah, this is a kiss to Marvel Studios. I applaud what they've accomplished in such a short span. The product itself is okay. I really only enjoyed 3 of their films so far - Iron Man, The Avengers and Winter Soldier.

It's their business model I'm an advocate of. If I'm Warner, I not only follow it, I find talent who'll help me do it better than Marvel.

@Snikt

I'll agree with you on DoFP. I enjoyed that more than Thor 2. If BvS opens across from Cap 3, it probably makes in the $700M area. If they move it to July 2015 or 2016 or even April 2016 it stands a better chance. I don't know about $1B though.
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 6/17/2014, 5:24 PM
No, WB should NOT copy Marvel. You can do things different and still succeed. Hopefully, the one thing WB does not do is follow that rumored schedule. It's just too many films squeezed in too close together, audiences would burn out.

Oh, and no, Disney isn't even remotely copying Marvel with Star Wars. They're following Lucas's standard for releasing Star Wars films, another trilogy. And they're gonna release some spin-off movies. That is NOT what Marvel did. If Marvel had released Avengers first, and then spun off Iron Man and Cap and so on, then you could say it was copying. But what Marvel did was introduce individual heroes, combine them, then continue some of their individual stories. And it looks like they will expand with new characters in solo movies. This is NOT what Star Wars is doing.

And I disagree about Spiderman being Marvel's most popular character. That used to be true, and might still be true just for comic book readers. But, as far as popularity with general audiences and just in pop culture in general, I think he has been passed by Iron Man.
kong
kong - 6/17/2014, 6:20 PM
Like Pasto said, WB has the best chance of doing it. Why? Well they have more characters than nay of the other studios. They own the rights to all of their characters, have some of the most famous characters, own smaller companies that can help them with their universe (whether it's TV tie-ins, shorts, or cartoons/shows that introduce their characters). They're the only studio that can really challenge Disney and the only studio that have the potential story wise to do so.

Avengers only made more money than MOS because of the films before it. If Iron Man, Thor, Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, and Captain America: TFA weren't made before Avengers, the movie would not be as popular as it is today. With BvS DOJ coming out next year and introducing so many characters, Justice League could easily beat out Avengers IF BvS is good enough and the movie is good enough. TDKR could've came close if it wasn't for the shootings that week end.
ruadh
ruadh - 6/17/2014, 6:35 PM
That fan poster always makes my head ache. The camera is clearly slightly above Batman, but about level with Superman.

To be fair, a lot of official posters are worse when it comes to have character appear to be occupying the same area.
marvel72
marvel72 - 6/17/2014, 6:38 PM
as long as warner can make decent comic book movies they are the only threat to marvel studios.
CharlesLord
CharlesLord - 6/17/2014, 6:40 PM
I disagree with the spiderman thing. I agree that one of the appeals of parker is that hes a teenager, but theres also been important moments that have happened to him as an adult as well. Having seen him in high school in the raimi movies, I think the tasm franchise woulda been better off putting him in college and going from there instead of promising an untold version of his origin and literally just retelling his origin that most people remember.
feedonatreefrog
feedonatreefrog - 6/18/2014, 2:19 AM
Box office supremacy or critical?
EhMaybeSays
EhMaybeSays - 6/18/2014, 7:05 AM
WB has better things to do than invest money in failing franchises. Superman, Batman and JL are their only profitable properties.
TwistedKingdom
TwistedKingdom - 6/18/2014, 10:24 AM
@Lhornbk

Regarding Disney & Star Wars - I'm not referring to the route but the destination of a cinematic shared universe. The studios with properties are aiming for that now.

@ Charles

I'm not saying adult Spider-Man can't work at all. Only that it makes differentiating the franchise from others much harder. How many of the CBMs today are aiming for emotionally conflicted heroes? All of them?

IMO, Sony giving audiences the only teen superhero franchise on the market is the best way to set themselves apart. Maybe even tap into that Hunger Games & Twilight demographic. Instead of $700M, now Sony's looking at the $800 to $1B range.

@Treefrog

I was thinking more of who's got their act together.

Since 2008, Fox's X-Men franchise has been all about Charles, Magneto and Wolverine. DoFP added Mystique thanks to Jennifer Lawrence. Sony's TASM 1 & 2 could've been Raimi's Spider-Man 4 & 5. WB released the last 2 Nolan Dark Knight films and MoS.

No, Marvel hasn't put out the best product. I commented before, Iron Man, Avengers and TWS are the only 3 I really like of their films. But they have created a trusted brand and they did it without their A-List properties.

@Pasto & Reddest

You're right, WB does have the best chance. But things like scheduling a movie on the same day as another blockbuster raises questions. Are they about "bringing the DCU to life" or "proving they can compete with Marvel"?

I don't believe the showdown will happen. But if it does and BvS wins over Cap 3, it will have taken putting half the Justice League in the movie to do it.
TucksFrom2015
TucksFrom2015 - 6/18/2014, 11:39 AM
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Wolf38
Wolf38 - 6/19/2014, 1:39 PM
Nice editorial. I do think that Warner Bros is the studio that can pose a direct, in-kind challenge to Marvel Studios. How all of the DC stuff works out remains to be seen, but I did like Man of Steel so here's hoping for the best.

I don't think that WB needs to copy the Marvel Studios model, necessarily, as far as which films to make first. Certainly Wonder Woman deserves her own film, but using an ensemble project to introduce her and other non-Batman/Superman characters is a good practical move. It's just the beginning.

Sony seems to be lost in the wilderness, and I very much agree with your analysis of the Spider-Man franchise, casting suggestions aside.

Fox is doing quite well, and while the continuity may still be messy, I am not bothered by that. If they can continue to make films as good as Days of Future Past, I am on board. But yeah, more diverse casting would be a very good idea, and Storm needs to be recharged as a true lead character.
Wolf38
Wolf38 - 6/19/2014, 1:46 PM
Also, I think that WB may have started interconnecting things sooner if it weren't for Superman Returns and Green Lantern both turning into dead ends. They've been attempting to bring something other than Batman to life for a long time (and of course they could have done so if the people in charge had done a better job)...so I'm just glad that they decided to stick with Man of Steel and build off of it.
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