How to Break the CBM “Threequel Curse”

How to Break the CBM “Threequel Curse”

And why The Dark Knight Rises may be the first to accomplish that

Editorial Opinion
By ultimatefan1974 - Feb 28, 2011 08:02 AM EST
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Source: ComicBookMovie.com

Funny how some film franchises seem to develop a “curse”. People talked for years about how Star Trek suffered from the “odd-numbered movies curse”, till Nemesis showed up and proved an even movie could suck too. And the reboot proved an odd one could be cool. For superhero movies, that curse seems to be the third one. Even when the first two installments are great, for whatever reason the franchise seems to head into the wrong direction in the third one and then into a downward spiral till a God-awful fourth film, if there even is one. I´d go as far as to say that, in some cases, there has been a “second movie quasi-curse”. That is, some second movies presented problems of varying natures and degrees that, while not deeply compromising the final result, seemed to help ignite the troubles of the third one.

There are some clues, however, as to why it has happened so often. Based on them, here are my tips for future third installments to avoid such a plague:


1. Keep the man with the vision – When a director has a clear vision on how to portray a superhero on the big screen, and the result is a critical and commercial success, it seems like a no-brainer to just stick with that guy, but it has often not been the case.

Whatever were the squabbles between director Richard Donner and the Salkinds, depending on whose version you hear, the director got fired by the producers even after Superman The Movie was a critical and financial megahit and he had even shot most of the second one. Because of that, the sequel was still an overall enjoyable movie, in spite of memory-erasing kiss and whatnot, but then the franchise fully fell into the hands of Richard Lester for the third one and, in spite of the cool bad Superman subplot, we had to put up with Richard Pryor as a threat, and a ridiculously silly and unfunny opening scene, among other atrocities.

The X-Men franchise, under Bryan Singer´s helm, was a well-oiled machine for two movies, and everything seemed in place for the third one, then there was the famous switch where at one point Superman film director Brett Ratner came to direct the third X-movie, while Singer moved on to Supes, a turnout that didn´t seem to benefit much either franchise – and one whose behind the scenes workings may also change depending on who you hear it from. They even tried to maintain the look and feel of Singer´s first two films, but there was an elegance and completion to his work that Ratner just couldn´t imitate.

Tim Burton´s case was a little more complicated. His first Batman movie was a huge hit, but the second one made a lot less money, and caused some angry reactions to things that would seem silly now – the black goo in Penguin´s mouth, Catwoman´s dominatrix wardrobe, etc. I myself never understood why some fans are so enthusiastic about this one, which always felt to me like Tim Burton putting his own personal cinematic idiosyncrasies far above the source material, but to each their own. Then Schumacher came in, and the age of Batman nipples, butt shots and neon-obsessed Gotham begun.


To sum it all up, Hollywood: don´t let petty squabbles become more important than the talent involved. A great director with a strong vision for the character isn´t easy to find and even less easy to replace, so when you get one, fight to keep him in.


2. Don´t push stuff down your director´s throat – After Sam Raimi´s highly successful first two Spider-Man movies, and he got confirmed to helm the third one, fans really hoped this one would break the curse. While I don´t call the movie the total train wreck some fanboys see in it, there were some major problems. One of them is, it was no secret that Raimi had no affection for Venom, although he´s a popular villain. The director ended up giving up to producers´ pressure, and included the character. But, as is usually the case, you can tell when a director includes something for purely professional reasons, with none of his soul and heart into it, and Venom´s appearance in Spidey 3 didn´t really satisfy him or the character´s fans.

There are rumors, although nothing confirmed by either side, that Jon Favreau also wasn´t happy with Marvel´s interference in Iron Man 2 – not to mention his paycheck, but that´s more of an item 1 problem. That the studio pushed too hard for tie-ins with the planned Avengers movie within the plot of the sequel, which was cool for some fanboys, but ended up being one of the most criticized aspects of the movie, distracting and slowing down even more the movie´s second act. Granted, they hired the talented Shane Black to direct IM3, so who knows, maybe Iron Man will have a little bit of an inversed version of the ST curse…


3. More doesn´t always mean better – Whenever studios talk about making a sequel “bigger and better”, they should also be reminded of the classic saying, “less is more”. Spider-Man 3 had no less than four villains, if you count black suit Spidey as one. X3 had tons of short appearances by various mutants, but left little room to properly develop its lead characters. Black Widow had barely anything to do as a character in Iron Man 2, even her “love triangle” subplot barely went beyond Nickelodeon teen series level of flirtation.


4. Have some kind of overall game plan – Of course you don´t script an entire trilogy all at once, but it doesn´t hurt to have at least a general idea of the overall story you wanna tell, so you don´t get to the third part doing forced, tacky things to make the thing “come full circle”, like, say, reveal out of the blue that there was another mugger involved in the killing of Uncle Ben, or kill off Cyclops in the first ten minutes of the movie.

Our hope, for the near future, is that The Dark Knight Rises may be the one to finally break the curse and deliver the first fully-accomplished superhero film trilogy. Nolan is coming back, and he´s at the prime of his prestige at Warner Brothers, with the success of his Batman movies and Inception. He´s gonna bring a new take on Catwoman, a classic villain he still hadn´t reinterpreted, and one of the most talented actors he´s worked with in Inception, Tom Hardy, to play Bane. Unlike Topher Grace – who was kind of a mesh-up of animated and Ultimate Eddie Brock -, Hardy can totally incarnate the brute badassitude of Bane, who´s a perfect character to be hunting down Batman as a fugitive. Although Nolan works one movie at a time, he always talks about finishing the story they set to tell, which is a strong indication that there was an overall plan for the trilogy.

If it happens, hopefully it will set an example to be followed by all superhero trilogies. Our amulet against the curse.

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ultimatefan1974
ultimatefan1974 - 2/28/2011, 8:44 AM
I agree on Batman Returns, most of Forever, Batman & Robin, disagree on everything else.
PaulRom
PaulRom - 2/28/2011, 9:12 AM
Batman Returns, IMO, was the best of the original Batman series. Forever and B&R were BS.
After seeing Inception and having Anne Hathaway become Catwoman, I have a lot of confidence in Nolan. If any movie can break the threequel curse, it'll likely be TDKR.
ultimatefan1974
ultimatefan1974 - 2/28/2011, 10:11 AM
Gotta strongly disagree, Nolan´s Batman by far is the most human and multi-layered one on film. For the first time, I believed in Batman as the ultimate badass who can make criminal crap in their pants, the shallow playboy facade, surrounded by babes and secretly loving to fool people, the man who truly sees Batman as a way to chanel his dark feelings into something positive and inspiring.
ultimatefan1974
ultimatefan1974 - 2/28/2011, 10:14 AM
Burton´s Batman is mostly just depressed and stoic, Schumacher´s Batman had a promising start in Forever but quickly degenerated into a bad version of Adam West in B&R.
soundwave129
soundwave129 - 2/28/2011, 12:50 PM
Sorry, but this has already been done:(.
Checkmate
Checkmate - 2/28/2011, 1:20 PM
TDK isn't all it's cracked up to be, I enjoyed BB far more. This is definitely not my most anticipated movie of 2012, I'd rather watch Ghost Rider 2 and The Wolverine.
LP4
LP4 - 2/28/2011, 2:33 PM
@Superguy- I guess I diverge from you here then because "Batman Returns" was [frick]ING AWESOME, it was the best of all the old Bat-films and in some ways...it is rivaled only by TDK....for ME. But i guess the difference between us is that while I"m a huge Superman-fan...I also love Batman. Kinda like how you are a huge fan of Superman but also a fan of Cap Marvel (a character I couldn't care less about lol)

But yeah Batman Returns was one of the if not THE best Batman film. The action, the story, Penguin/Catwoman, the music, the tone of the film all of it was PERFECT!
LP4
LP4 - 2/28/2011, 2:52 PM
@Intruder- I'm not sure which one i rank higher- Batman Returns or the TDK but I seriously always loved Batman Returns. I think yeah...I think I'm with you on this one certain topic- Batman Returns was BETTER than the TDK.

Danny DeVito's Penguin was [frick]ING EPIC and DISGUSTING which i loved, Michelle Pfeifer's (sp?) Catwoman was sexy and had the sexy personality down PAT. Everything was great in that film and i loved the musical score.
Joker11
Joker11 - 2/28/2011, 5:45 PM
I still say TDK was the best CBM ever.
Joker11
Joker11 - 2/28/2011, 5:47 PM
@ Paul Rom I agree TDKR will definitely break the curse.
Knightstalker
Knightstalker - 2/28/2011, 6:14 PM
Ledger was disappointing? How do you figure, intruder? I'm sorry but I guess I have a different point of view regarding TDK. I found the movie very balanced. I guess everyone has their own preferences.
gaikinger
gaikinger - 2/28/2011, 7:06 PM
i liked Star Trek 3....Klingons...its all about the Klingons and Christopher Loyyd was a great Klingon. Terminator 3 was better than expected...i was entertained. Alien 3 would have been great if not for the last ten minutes,,,,it can still be fixed...i wish they would.ummmmmm.....
marvel72
marvel72 - 2/28/2011, 7:24 PM
batman & batman returns are cool batman movies,everything from keaton,nicholson,pfeifer,devito & walken.

the costumes,batmobile & the look of gotham city.

that iconic batman theme.......classic.

i know the perfect way to stop the third film curse.

batman,batman 2 & batman 4,skip it completely comeback to it later. :D
Joker11
Joker11 - 2/28/2011, 8:56 PM
@ Intruder " Why did the joker suck"?!?!?!?!?!?!. I hated Nicholson as the Joker almost as much as DeVito's penguin. Who one the academy award out of those three, Ill give u a hint it wasn't Nicholson or DeVito...
To me( And 80% of CBM also) Ledger will always be the Joker.
jbak368
jbak368 - 2/28/2011, 9:17 PM
Batman Returns is a great movie, it just isn't a great Batman movie.

Nolan definitely had an overall idea for a Batman trilogy from the beginning. It had been known for a very long time that the second film would feature Dent and the Joker, and it was also known that the third film would also feature the Joker's trial. Part of the reason it's taken so long for us to get any news about a movie that starts principal photography in two months, and also part of the reason Nolan took time off to write a Superman movie, is that they had to greatly re-work the third film's story since they can no longer use The Joker.
jbak368
jbak368 - 2/28/2011, 9:57 PM
I have to say, I think TDK completely beats the shit out of Begins. Begins seems pretty boring by comparison. And I love both movies.
marvelguy
marvelguy - 3/1/2011, 1:02 PM
I think Hollywood needs to break the curse of making CBMs to make CBMs. Just because the source material is great, doesn't mean they will adapt it well. For every "Spider-Man 2" and "Dark Knight," there's an "Elektra, Catwoman, Daredevil, Superman 3 & 4, Ghost Rider, Howard the Duck, FF, Ang Lee's Hulk, and Masters of the Universe." I completely agree that more shouldn't equate to more villains or stuffing it with characters like 'Spidey 3.' "Dark Knight" was multilayered. It had great characterization and new characters were developed and made sense.
tehdude
tehdude - 3/1/2011, 8:03 PM
I have a problem with Nolans writing. All his characters talk about EVERYTHING! He really needs to learn how to show, not tell. Thats the point of a visual medium isn't it? Few directors/writers can use expository dialouge and get away with it and sadly... Nolan isn't one of them.
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