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Let's Keep It Real CBM.com!

Who doesn't enjoy a good flame war? Its fun. However, both sides are getting more bold and outlandish every day. The whole thing has become sillier than West Side Story. Everyone just needs to chill, keep it real... then insult eachother's mothers!

Editorial Opinion
By MoonDoggyX - Oct 15, 2013 05:10 PM EST
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Personally, the Editorials are my favorite section on this site. I love reading what people think in both the articles and the comments. That said, I have to say that the crap has been getting pretty deep in here as of late. I don’t know if it’s just nuclear fallout from the giant flame war this summer or what, but things have been bordering on delusional as of late.

I’m not trying to be the “voice of reason” or anything like that. Honestly, as much as we like to say that they are childish, I think we have to admit that the flame wars are fun, at least until someone takes it too far. But that’s not what this article is about. This is about the absolute ridiculousness that gets thrown around by all sides. Like most arguments, all sides have their goods and bads, rights and wrongs, strengths and weaknesses. But no one is willing to admit that and it just gets crazy. You want to argue to the death for Marvel or DC, have at it, but at least keep it real. Lets see if I can shed the light of truth on some of our heated debates.

Marvelites, yes, it is pretty obvious that Marvel is ahead in the movie department. However, to quote Dr. Bob Kelso, “…after a while, Perry, you’re just beating up an old man.” We don’t need to be reminded on every article about everything how well Marvel Studios are doing. Also, stop acting like Marvel has conquered the CBM industry already. Especially since the only Marvel Studios films to gross over $500 million all starred Robert Downey Jr. Weird, one could almost say that its RDJ that’s the cash cow and Marvel is just going to milk him dry. Personally, I hope that is not the case, but until Marvel Studios has another hit NOT starring RDJ, that is the only logical conclusion. Hopefully, Thor: The Dark World and/or Captain America: The Winter Soldier breaks this trend. That’d be sweet considering Thor and Cap got the short end of the stick in Phase 1, but I digress. All I’m trying to say is that Marvel hasn’t cornered the market CBMs quite yet. Maybe they will, maybe they won’t. But, as of right now, they’re just a “one trick pony”. So chill out.

DC-ites, Nolanites, Snyderites or what ever you’re going by nowadays, SLOW DOWN! I love DC, I get it. Marvel already released the Avengers, but where’s the Justice League??? Its not a race guys and gals. I’d rather take the time and get it right than rush movies out just for the sake of ”that’s what Marvel did.” Give them the time to get the right people in place. If we don’t get a JL movie until the 2020s, that’s cool if its awesome. Also, Marvel will be just about done with Avengers flicks by then and can reboot in the 2030s. If they alternate decades and we consistently have awesome team-up CBMs in the theatres every few years, I’d die happy.

Every WB/DC success is not a jab at Marvel, or visa-versa, so let’s not treat it as much. We don’t have to be jealous of eachother’s success. Nolan’s Dark Knight trilogy was awesome, but we don’t have to measure every Marvel release against it. Lets just be thankful for what DC fans do have. DC is great at making shows. Smallville kept me hooked for 9 seasons(lets not mention Season 10). Arrow is damn good from what I’ve seen. Every year we get a couple of incredibly awesome animated features that are better than 90% of the live action CBMs. How many “hardcore” DC fans bought Flashpoint Paradox? HUH??? Exactly. There’s more than enough DC content available to ever care what’s going on at Marvel so stop trolling. And, if you’re not reading New 52 Justice League, shame on you. SHAME! Just get the trades, dammit.

To everyone on both sides, there is a difference between good and successful. Like I said above, I love editorials and good comments. If you all want to write about what you think will make a Marvel or DC movie GOOD or how they weren’t GOOD, I promise you I’ll probably read it. However, not to pick on any individual because there have been A LOT, who on here is qualified to make a business plan for a multi-billion dollar company? All of these how “Company X can be SUCCESSFUL” articles are just ridiculous. I mean c’mon people. Don’t get me wrong, if you are an industry analyst or have a business degree or something, by all means, let’s hear it. Otherwise, this goes way beyond someone’s personal tastes and takes more than being a fan of comics or movies to comment on intelligently. Studios literally spend millions of dollars on market tracking and research run by people with multiple degrees and years of experience. I’m not going to outsmart all that just because I’m huge fan. But if you are that confident in you plans, go ahead and call WB or Disney and tell them how a to better get returns on their $200 million investments. I’m not downing anyone’s opinion about what they’d like to see. But, again, let’s keep it real.

In closing, I’d just like to keep it real with a few subjects that have popped up in the flame war. Let’s see… Thor and Cap’s movies were just “OK” at best and could have used better action. Man of Steel was just ok. Brian Singer is a hack and should never be allowed near another CBM. Zach Snyder is a hack and should never be allowed near another CBM. All of his movies suffer from the same problem. Everything that is not an action or sfx shot is just a time waster between action or sfx shots. I think Synder, in his head, really says “Punch blah blah destruction blah blah slow motion, etc” MoS, 300, Watchmen and Sucker Punch all suffered because of the lack of attention the “Meat” of these films received. Let’s see, what else… TDKR was amazing. IM3 was incredible. No one was a big Madarin fan before the twist, so shut up about it. New Superman suit is cool and it’s about time. Superman would destroy any hero at Marvel, he’s just too overpowered. No one at Marvel is as fast as the Flash and Superman is almost that fast = can’t be touched. Get over it. Batman is the best character in either company. Batman can’t beat everyone, but he could actually beat 75-80% of all other heroes and villains on a random encounter. That number becomes 90% with prep time. Marvel’s comics have gone down in quality as of late, New 52 turned out pretty well so far. We’re not getting another Hulk movie because TiH didn’t make enough money. Marvel Studios is run by people who love comics, WB, Sony and Fox are run by a bunch of business people who don’t care about the quality of their product, only whether or not it sells. Agents of Shield is not that great so far, but is only 4 episodes in and will probably get better... And there is no Easter bunny.

I think that about covers it. I hope I didn’t bore you guys too much. FLAME ON!

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TheManFromMars
TheManFromMars - 10/15/2013, 7:22 PM
TheYoungMan
TheYoungMan - 10/15/2013, 7:38 PM
Poolio
Poolio - 10/15/2013, 8:27 PM
"Marvel Studios is run by people who love comics"

Sure they are, that's why they made Mandarin a big joke right? Because they LOVE comics.
MoonDoggyX
MoonDoggyX - 10/15/2013, 8:49 PM
@poolio - I really think that the reason Disney/Marvel changed the Mandarin is that China is now the 2nd largest movie market and if the villain was a Chinese, the chinese government would not let the movie be released there. It still worked, though...
FirstAvenger
FirstAvenger - 10/15/2013, 9:36 PM
^This
NovaCorpsFan
NovaCorpsFan - 10/15/2013, 11:48 PM
Wall of text, didn't read.
aresww3
aresww3 - 10/16/2013, 2:57 AM
"Studios literally spend millions of dollars on market tracking and research run by people with multiple degrees and years of experience. I’m not going to outsmart all that just because I’m huge fan. But if you are that confident in you plans, go ahead and call WB or Disney and tell them how a to better get returns on their $200 million investments. I’m not downing anyone’s opinion about what they’d like to see. But, again, let’s keep it real."

One of the stupidest most ridiculous statements I´ve ever heard. I can´t stand when writers do this. I have a critique or vision for how a company can bring characters or a character to screen. "Well go and write to them then. Phone them up and tell them."
You do know how stupid that is? Give me the number and I will. Tell me how to contact Warner Brothers Executives, please.
MoonDoggyX
MoonDoggyX - 10/16/2013, 4:20 AM
@aresww3 - I'm sure you have great ideas for movies, bud. If you have a great idea about how you'd like to bring a character to the big screen, no problemo. However, predicting how successful that movie will be at the real world box office is a tall order. I wasn't saying that the fans can't come up with good ideas. Just that its not that easy to predict exactly what will be a hit at the box office. Look at how many movies bombed over the past few summers. Studios invest a lot of money to prevent t from happening and fail. EVERY company has had a big budget film bomb within the last few years. If anyone could find a way to truely predict what will do well at the box office, they'd be a millionaire instantly. So if you got the juice, go for it.
6of13
6of13 - 10/16/2013, 5:06 AM
I don't want wait more than 8 years to get a Justice League movie. It's no good rushing these movies but there could also be a problem in taking time because it might land up being way too much time. I reckon that need to embrace Buddha with this and go for a happy medium instead...somewhere between rushing it and taking their time.

That said, I do think WB need a creative think tank. But since we don't really know what plans they have, doesn't mean they don't have any plans.

IMHO, to get to a Justice League movie, we need a Wonder Woman movie very soon after the Batman/Superman movie. That way they can go into a JL movie with the big 3. Martian Manhunter can cameo in Batman/Superman as Det. John Jones and then be revealed at some point to be the last Martian.

Also, and I know I am the only one who thinks this, but I would like to see Ryan Reynolds back as GL. Sure, they could just recast/reboot GL, but I think if WB had any kind of conviction and confidence in what they are doing with the DCCU, they would stick with what they have already established with Green Lantern. Besides, I firmly believe that there is still massive potential for a Green Lantern franchise despite the issues with the first movie.

2015 - Batman/Superman
2016 - Wonder Woman (in May)and Justice League (November/December)

or Wonder Woman at the end of 2015.
BuckySoldier
BuckySoldier - 10/16/2013, 8:41 AM
If Chappelle's Show taught me anything, it's that keeping it real can go wrong.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 10/16/2013, 9:50 AM
@Manofreal. Lol. Your computer screen has to be so nasty by now....
aresww3
aresww3 - 10/16/2013, 9:52 AM
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aresww3
aresww3 - 10/16/2013, 10:00 AM
@MoonDoggyX - You thinking that predicting a movies success is down to some science that is studied by business grads and market analysts is absolutely insane. If that were true they should all be fired, because the movie industry has in recent years been going way down in popularity. Fans of movies, marketing people, critics and artists are the real reason movies succeed or fail; no analysts can accurately predict such things. The talent are the real experts, and if they are allowed to do their job and make good movies that is the best way toward success. Especially now, when people are so clued up on the movie industry. Sure some bad movies make alot of money and perhaps there are some movies that are more of a sure bet, but it is utter nonsense that the movie industry is so scientific, if it was 99% of movies would be a success.
MoonDoggyX
MoonDoggyX - 10/16/2013, 11:14 AM
@aresww3 - "You thinking that predicting a movies success is down to some science that is studied by business grads and market analysts is absolutely insane."

Um, no. Not at all what I meant. They TRY to. At most, I'd say they take their best educated guess. What I'm saying is that Studios throw everything they can at predicting box office success and even they can't. I'm not comparing your(our) mind to theirs, I'm just saying that you are underestimating the task at hand.

"Fans of movies, marketing people, critics and artists are the real reason movies succeed or fail;"

If this were the case, the highest rated movie would be the same as the highest grossing. By this theory, Captain America: TFA would have made more money than Transformers: DotM. We all know that is not nearly the case.
MoonDoggyX
MoonDoggyX - 10/16/2013, 11:20 AM
@6of13 - I agree that it'd be cool if Reynolds returns as GL. The way I always seen it working in my head is this:

MoS 2(Named Superman: Speeding Bullets) feat. The Flash

GL 2 feat. Martian Manhunter

Wonder Woman feat. Aquaman (both are mythology based)

Justice League feat. new Batman

Batman solo flick..
6of13
6of13 - 10/16/2013, 2:20 PM
I too thought that the new Batman could be introduced first in a JL movie. They could then have a Batman spinoff movie based from that.

Aquaman featuring in a WW movie would def work.

If there ever was a Martian Manhunter movie, I could so see Lobo making a cameo.
aresww3
aresww3 - 10/17/2013, 1:18 AM
@MoonDoggyX - I don´t know if you´ll read this but who cares if the movie industry throws all their resources at predicting this stuff. The fact is 99% of the time they´re wrong. So fact in matter the audience is by far the key component in predicting whether a film is likely to succeed, because we know what we want. Especially now with the internet, where we communicate this stuff with eachother all the time.
So yeah let them put out all their feelers but fact in matter a good Flash movie will bank, as would a good shazam or wonder woman bank. A justice League movie thats good will bank. You don´t need to go to Harvard to know that my friend. We´re not arguing over some small indie movies, we´re talking about DC´s alist roster that are beloved by millions all over the world, during a time when superhero movies are pretty much a trend, due to Dark Knight and Avengers. This trend won´t last long unless DC provides some more movies in the vain of the dark knight about their other characters and soon. Fact.
Abary
Abary - 10/17/2013, 5:05 AM
TheManFromMars 'We didn't start the fire' is an amazing song.
aresww3
aresww3 - 10/17/2013, 9:41 AM
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