Looking Back At CBMs By MARVEL STUDIOS

A look back over every MCU film to date, the good and the bad. And where they have to go in the future!

Editorial Opinion
By GuardianDevil - Mar 20, 2014 03:03 PM EST
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Welcome dear friends, the Marvel Cinematic Universe is widely regarded as one of the best comic book film franchise around. And it is great. Today I'm going to take a look at all of the films they've released so far and attempt to nail down everything I found good and bad about each one. I'm also going to rank them from their worst film to their best. And in the end take a look at where they seem to be going. Thanks for reading!

Iron Man 2

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Lapping up crumbs at the bottom of the list is the 2010 superhero sequel called Iron Man 2. Directed by Jon Favreau and starring Robert Downey Jr, Don Cheadle, Mickey Rourke, Gwenyth Paltrow and Sam Rockwell. Well yeah, what else would you expect? I mean this is the obvious shoe-in for the worst Marvel Studio movie so far. That's for good reason too. I mean how can Favreau get it so right with the first Iron Man movie and then turn around and get it so wrong with the sequel. I'm sure there are a few good things about it but as a whole it's a bad film and could be argued to be mediocrity but nothing more. I think I'd rather start with all the bad, and then move on to the good. For one thing the film suffered from high expectations as the first was brilliant. But even so it failed in many areas including the villains. Both Mickey Rourke and Sam Rockwell do their best in their roles but they are not written well, in fact it feels like they are barely even in the movie.

That's my main problem with Marvel Studios, and I'm not trying to start anything but they just don't put ANY effort into making good villains unless it's Loki. I mean outside of Loki, and to a much lesser extent Obadiah Stane, all of their villains suck. Regardless, at the start of the film Whiplash is GREAT, but after the Monaco scene you barely even see the guy until he gets beat down in 10 seconds at the end. Mickey Rourke pus off a great performance and an even better accent, but he still couldn't save the character. Sam Rockwell delivers a fun and entertaining performance as Justin Hammer but he's still written poorly and is uninteresting overall. The villains in the film are pretty lackluster and I'm not even going to get into how far off from the comics they are.

Moving on, the pacing of the film is really off. In the beginning it feels like everything is going steady and the plot is moving at a good pace. But as aforementioned the movie drops off after Monaco. After the race track scene the movie gets lazy and it feels like nothing happens until the final twenty minutes or so. I mean literally like the film loses all the momentum it had going. This is due to studio interference, instead of letting Favreau make his funner version of The Dark Knight. Feige decided to step in and shoe horn SHIELD, Black Widow and Avengers Initiative into the story line. This muddles up the plot, and overcrowds the story and pretty much screws up what Favreau was trying to accomplish. There is also the fact that Tony Stark pretty much repeats the same character arc from the first film, he gets cocky, he acts irresponsibly, people are put in harms way because of him, he "changes". It's really just poor storytelling.

Now, that all of the bad is out of the way I can address what I liked about the film. I like some of the action, although it feels like it's all been cut short. The Black Widow fighting scene was awesome, the Monaco scene was great but too short, the final fight again was great but still felt too short. I feel like the actors tried to make diamonds out of mud and they really did do a commendable job with what they were given. The first quarter of the film is excellence, the rest...meh. I think it originally started out great but it was lost for the supposedly "greater good" of advertising and expanding the universe. I admit it's not nearly as bad as a lot of other CBMs out there, but even though I'm a real sucker for the action in Iron Man 2. It's still merely a tolerable flick at best...

Rating: 5.5/10

Thor: The Dark World
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Coming in at the next to last spot on the list is the 2013 superhero sequel called Thor: The Dark World. Directed by Alan Taylor and starring Chris Hemsworth, Tom Hiddleston, Anthony Hopkins, Natalie Portman and Chris Eccleston. Well, well, well just like Iron Man 2 Marvel Studios seems unable to produce a sequel as good as the original. (Although that looks to change in a few days) Thor: The Dark World isn't completely horrible, but as a whole it's just forgettable...just like Iron Man 2. There is just nothing about it that gives me a desire to watch it again. For one thing, I feel like it just didn't do anything to make Thor interesting. The first movie did a good job of making him an interesting character, but not in this film at all. I get that this was supposed to be another character piece, but you still don't feel like you get to know the guy any better than you already did. He's kinda just there, he exists, physically.

As with Iron Man 2, Thor: The Dark World suffers from a weak villain. Again Chris Eccleston is a great actor, but it feels like he's barely even in the film at all. I remember in the trailer he seemed like he would be so cool, but in the end he is added to the list of crappy MCU villains and wasted opportunities. Such a shame. You know that when the sidekick (all he does is grunt and smash stuff) is more interesting than the main villain you've got a problem. In fact Kurse, aside from Loki, is probably the best thing about this movie. I loved the action scene where Kurse and Thor battle and in the end Loki saves the day with a grenade. Didn't make any sense but I still liked it and thought it was really cool.

Another thing I think this film suffered from is straight up poor storytelling. I mean the plot makes no sense, WHY, WHY in Odin's name does the darkness machine only work when the planets align!! Also, WHY does Malekith have any reason or desire to cover Earth or the universe in darkness?? I mean I thought it was due to his quest for revenge, so why wouldn't he just attack Asgard? Or plunge Asgard into darkness?? The Aether is odd, and why did it choose to possess Jane Foster?? So many unanswered questions make this story a hell of a job to actually follow. I normally don't complain about plot holes but in this case, I find it hard to follow and actually comprehend whatever the hell is going on and why it's happening. The story itself is one of the weakest points of this film and it is the main reason why it's not all that great.

Moving on, I feel like I've trashed this one enough. It does have it's redeeming qualities, though not enough to make the movie great. I really loved Loki, in fact I think character wise the film was better for Loki than it was for Thor. I found it interesting his supposed progression from villain to hero to villain again. Loki was arguably the most interesting thing about Thor: The Dark World and one of it's greatest redeeming qualities. Action is another big one that kept this from being a true dud, I love the battle against Kurse. Just like I said before it was truly awesome. The final climax fight was a lot of fun as well. I also enjoyed how the film focused heavily on the relationships between characters. How their actions directly and indirectly affect one another, seeing it go down was pretty good. As a whole Thor: The Dark World isn't great, and it isn't going to change your life or leave you speechless. It has it's issues, and a lot of them at that. Humor is generally unfunny and cringeworthy in most places. Overall it's an enjoyable flick but it's still mediocre at best.

Rating: 6/10

Iron Man 3
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Coming up at third worst on the list is the 2013 superhero sequel titled Iron Man 3. Directed by Shane Black, and starring everyone's favorite Robert Downey Jr along with Gwenyth Paltrow, Guy Pearce, Ben Kingsley, Jon Favreau and Don Cheadle. Frankly, one of the problems facing Iron Man 3 was the fact that it had a lot to live up to coming right off the tail end of The Avengers. But don't get the idea that I'm going to use that as an excuse for all of it's problems. Again, just like the last two it's not horrible or unwatchable just not memorable. Iron Man 3 suffers from what I like to call "Iron Repeat Syndrome." As I have named it....basically it means that in every film featuring Iron Man to date he repeats the exact same character arc he did in the first movie. Think about it, Iron Man 1, he is irresponsible and a jerk, people are put in harms way because of him, he decides to man up and change his ways. Iron Man 2, he gets cocky and starts acting like an irresponsible jerk again, people are put in harms way and he decides to grow up and change himself. The Avengers, he's irresponsible and acts like a jerk to Cap in the helicarrier, until the end he decides to "mature" and do the right thing. Iron Man 3, guess what?? Tony acts irresponsibly, people are put in harms way, in the end he matures and changes his ways. Good god put a {frick}ing end to it already....

Anyhow, Iron Man repeating the same arc he did in the last three movies is poor storytelling in a nutshell. But aside from that I think the plot itself is actually well written in most of it. It was interesting due to various twists and plot points. Personally, I think the story was great until the third act. The first act story wise is particularly awesome. Tony is still suffering from PTSD due to his experience in The Avengers, and he's grown paranoid and feels some inner urge to keep building more suits. Meanwhile a terrorist known as The Mandarin has been terrorizing (hehe, who woulda guessed?) the United States with the anti-America, anti-West vendetta. In one of his attacks, Tony's close friend Happy Hogan is nearly fatally injured in an explosion. Meanwhile, Pepper is being frequented by a demon from the past who makes himself known as Aldrich Killian. Tony decides to take up the search for The Mandarin and even challenges him to a fight. At which Tony's house is destroyed. The plot for the first half of the film is actually pretty good.

But other issues such as a horribly mediocre and redundant villain still plague this movie. Aldrich Killian is yet another failed attempt at bringing a great villain to the scene. I honestly felt like Killian was another repeat villain. He's just another tech rival like every single other Iron Man movie villain. Now before anyone gets all upset with me, let me say that I don't care about Mandarin from the comics, in fact I kinda hate the guy. But I really enjoyed the performance by Sir Ben Kingsley and the direction he seemed to be taking the character before the big twist. I really liked the idealist, anti-Western terrorist route the character was going. It was going to be something different, something interesting, something thought provoking. At least that's how it seemed to me at the time. I thought that all of the Mandarin broadcast scenes were easily the best parts of the film, because of many things. One being the pure mystery you feel from watching this guy, another being the truly excellent dialogue, but most importantly it's the performance from Sir Ben Kingsley that's makes those scenes so great. It really hurts that much more when you learn that all of great scenes are leading up to one thing: Another....JOKE.

That's the final area where this film utterly fails. In Iron Man 1 & 2, there was a lot of jokes and funny moments. But what the studio ultimately fails to realize is that this is because they hired witty actors, not by writing stupid dialogue and inserting cringe worthily bad jokes at every corner....overall Iron Man 3, like it's predecessor is a major disappointment. It has some great scenes, but as a film is not great, or even close to it. It has a sorry rehash of old crappy villains, it suffers from too many unfunny supposed to be funny but not moments. It does have a few good action pieces, those along with Ben Kingsley's performance are really the only reason I would put this above Thor 2 or Iron Man 2. They are also the only things that give me any desire to watch the film again.

Rating: 6.5/10

Thor
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Coming in at fifth best on the list is the 2011 superhero fantasy called Thor. Directed by Kenneth Branagh, and starring Chris Hemsworth, Tom Hiddleston, Anthony Hopkins and Natalie Portman. Thor is a good film, but not without great fault. Even so it is significantly better then the last three installments on this list. Thor's cons include a poorly written romance, that features almost no chemistry between the two actors. It's not like either of them do a poor job in the context but they have zero chemistry on set and their love story is written very poorly if you ask me. In truth it makes little sense that she would stick so close to him, and stand up so much for him when she barely knows him. Or that Thor would give his life for these people when he barely knows or cares about them. Even so, it doesn't matter all that much because Thor's human relationships work well as a plot device but not so much as a tool for creating drama.

Another con for this film is the cheesiness of most of the characters. Now generally I'm a fan of camp, ham and cheese in my comic book movies. But it really doesn't work all that well in Thor. Like that moment when the warriors three come marching into the town in New Mexico. Good god, I had to turn my eyes away I just couldn't take it. Almost as bad as emo Spidey's dancing scenes...anyhow there are many positives to Thor and they do slightly outweigh the negatives. CGI for one thing is excellent for the most part. I really loved the sets and frankly the CGI world of Asgard is truly breathtaking as is Jotunheim. Action is sadly underwhelming outside of a bit where Thor, Loki, Sif and the warriors three take on an army of Frost Giants. That scene was awesome! Performances are excellent all around and there is a real breakout star in Tom Hiddleston's character Loki. Loki has turned out to be Marvel Studios' only truly good villain to date. Because he is written very well, and is a very interesting character if not a little overly fond of the soap opera.

Chris Hemsworth is another example of near perfect casting, I mean sure he's only like half the size of the comic book Thor but he does the acting quite well. Anthony Hopkins makes for a great father figure in this flick. Natalie Portman is obviously the weakest link in this film, she's not terrible by any means she's just OK. I didn't like that she was a scientist instead of a paramedic, but hey stuff happens. It's not that big of a deal. Overall, Thor suffers from some really poor writing as far as the romance goes, and basically it has scenes that are way too hammy for my tastes, the action is also very underwhelming. But the main story is very good, the villain was interesting and not dull like every other MCU villain and the acting was phenomenal. As a whole it's not a must see by any means, I'd describe it as a passable but enjoyable flick. Maybe if I was more of a Thor fan personally, I'd enjoy it more.

Rating: 7/10

Captain America: The First Avenger
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Coming in at fourth best is the 2011 superhero origin film called Captain America: The First Avenger. Directed by Joe Johnston and starring Chris Evans, Hugo Weaving, Tommy Lee Jones, Sebastian Stan and Haylee Atwell. Now we can start separating the wheat from the chaff. What I mean by that is, that this is the first turning point of the list. Everything up to this point has been nothing but mediocre, but this where mediocrity is thrown away in exchange for goodness. (Not greatness, YET!) Anyhow, I have had a weird love and hate relationship with Captain America: The First Avenger. When I originally saw the film I thought it was like one of the best comic book films I had ever seen. But upon further viewing, I recognized it was not perfect as I had thought and I realized how many problems it had. I grew distasteful towards the film and hated it for a long time until in recent days, I realize that it's not perfect as I once thought. Though it is not terrible as I once thought. I can sit down, watch and enjoy the film from beginning to end without feeling any need to leave or turn it off.

One of the film's greatest flaws is the weak villain. Hugo Weaving is great in the role and he really does give a great performance, but he is seriously underutilized. This is coming from a fan of Captain America and his villains, I really do not like this portrayal of the Red Skull at all. He seems so...weak, he doesn't do anything all that threatening. In the comics he is evil incarnate, he is like the face of everything evil and nasty in the world. Like the Joker is to DC. This portrayal I thought was OK, but nothing like his inspiration. Even so the story and plot makes sense and even though it's nothing special it works for what it was trying to accomplish. I liked it, Skull's development of being a man who wants to be a god is interesting but untrue to the source. So yeah, I LIKE the character I just wish he had some sort of resemblance to the original outside of costume design. The casting of Chris Evans as Steve Rogers is a great one, and even though he might seem a bit too Boy Scout-ish at times I think that's what they were going for and what Captain America is supposed to be.

The romance featured in this film is another high point for me personally. I felt like the two really connected on screen in a way few others in CBMs have. It's a real shame that it's now impossible for them to meet up again in the films. The action is also quite good if you ask me, while there is no particular standout scenes all of them are good in their own way and it's just a fan it's joy to see Cap riding around on his bike kicking the crap outta Nazis. A real treat...I don't like the ending of the film though. I felt that it was odd that in the middle of the fight Skull randomly decides to disintegrate himself. Also Steve had complete control of the plane, why couldn't he just wait and land it safely in a field somewhere?? Or turn it around and land it back in Germany?? They gave zero explanation WHY he had to put it in the water. Overall though, Captain America: The First Avengers suffers from a wasted opportunity at making a great villain, there's also a huge plot hole at the end. But even with the flaws the inner message still remains, that no matter what changes you go through, no matter the experiences you go through, you have got to hold on to the hero inside....throw in bad ass action, great performances, and a decent story and Captain America: The First Avenger is a great watch for any one whose a fan of the character.

Rating: 8/10

The Incredible Hulk
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Coming in at third best is the 2008 superhero reboot called The Incredible Hulk. Directed by Louis Leterrier, and starring Edward Norton, Liv Tyler, Tim Roth and William Hurt. The Incredible Hulk, in my opinion is one of the most criminally underrated superhero films out there. I mean, even if I did like Ang Lee's HULK much better this movie is still a great watch especially for a huge Hulk fan like myself. The Incredible Hulk is an excellent film in every way except for one. One little problem that plagues this movie, and keeps many people from giving it it's due. That little problem is called special effects. The CGI in The Incredible Hulk gets really spotty in some places. It turns some fans off to the movie because it begins to look and feel like a video game at some point. But even so, even with the weird CGI it still manages to have some truly epic action pieces and those alone are enough for me to love this film. What's great is that there is actually much more to this movie than meets the eye. Edward Norton's character Bruce Banner, has been running and hiding and trying to find a way to rid himself of his Hulk condition. He has tried every kind of drug, or suppressant he can find. But he can't seem to shake the Hulk condition.

He is attacked in South America by Ross, Blonsky and the United States Military. He manages to escape back to the states to keep trying to find a way to become normal again. In the process he meets his old flame Betty Ross, who rekindles a sense of meaning and love within him. When he is attacked again here in the states he devotes his abilities fully to protecting Betty. This is where in my opinion he begins taking control of his anger and begins using it for good purposes. The story is a beautiful beauty and the beast styled love story and it really is interesting. The villain on the other hand though, is pretty underwhelming. He's alright, just not all that good. But acting is great from everyone here. Norton is the definitive Bruce Banner, Liv Tyler is hot and great in the role, William Hurt is good, Tim Roth is awesome. Add to all of this spectacular action sequences and it's a great watch for any Hulk fan.

Overall The Incredible Hulk is a great movie, one of Marvel Studios' best films yet. It suffers from a bland villain and poor special effects but it makes up for those with the dark time, the story and the great action. Edward Norton is the best Bruce Banner, yeah sorry Ruffalo fans. As a whole The Incredible Hulk is a flawed film yet still a worthwhile watch.

Rating: 8/10

The Avengers
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Coming in at second best of all time is the 2012 superhero film called The Avengers. Directed by Joss Whedon and starring Robert Downey Jr, Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans, Scarlet Johanssen, Jeremy Renner, Samuel L. Jackson, Mark Ruffalo and Tom Hiddleston. Well, I've been pretty outspoken about how much I feel this film has been overrated by fanboys. So you might ask "Why, if you feel it is so overrated. Do you rate it so highly?" Well, just because I think it is overrated doesn't mean I didn't love it. It means I don't think it's the best of all time like all of the Marvel fanboys do...I really did love it but I don't pretend it is without fault as many do. The foremost fault of the film is the lack of story line. I mean it has almost no story whatsoever...and what it does have is mediocre at best, but poorly written in most parts. Too many convenient plot contrivances. Like for instance the Hulk suddenly being able to control his rage even though like half a day before it ran uncontrollably. Or how Doc Selvig conveniently placed a kill switch in the scepter. Or how all of the aliens conveniently die Phantom Menace style without any explanation why this happened. But of course, all this is overlooked because fanboys loved the action.

And I did too, the action is easily the best thing about this movie. Joss Whedon really did pull through for the fans on this one. Black Widow taking on the Russian thugs is one of my favorites, as is the fights between Hulk/Thor and Black Widow/Hawkeye on the Helicarrier. The forest fight was really cool, as was seeing Captain America take on Loki by himself. But the film's greatest scenes, the best action in the film and the greatest action scene in any comic book movie is that moment when Hulk transforms and punches the space eel in the face. Then they circle up as a team for the first time with the music blaring, oh god it was so wonderful. The final action piece is nothing but a fan boy's wet dream. Seeing the Hulk punch a space alien in the face, seeing Hulk tear Loki a new one, seeing Iron Man's blasts reflecting off of Captain America's shield and cutting through aliens. Just the whole thing was a dream for any fan of comic book superheroes.

The actors are to be commended as well. The weakest link is obviously Jeremy Renner as he is wooden through out the whole movie. As for Robert Downey Jr, he did fine but I personally was just getting tired of Iron Man. Chris Evans plays a great Captain America but I HATE HATE HATE the costume change. He looks so dumb in it, he looks like a plastic toy I cannot stand the look. Scarlet Johanssen is also quite great and I loved her in this movie. But the three stars who really brought life to this movie were Mark Ruffalo, Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston. Mark Ruffalo may not be as good of a Banner as Ed Norton or even Eric Bane. But facts are he's a better Hulk than both of them. His Hulk was pretty much the saving grace of this movie. In fact if this movie didn't have his Hulk in it I'd probably call it close to crap. Tom Hiddleston was great in the first Thor but in my view he's even better here. Chris Hemsworth is as awesome as he was before and delivers a great performance along with great action.

Overall, I truly loved The Avengers. I find it overrated because I admit that it's not flawless in the way people pretend it is. I recognize everything wrong about it but I can still sit back and enjoy this damn good movie for what it is.

Rating: 9/10

Iron Man
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Ahhhh....first place going out to the best of the best. The 2008 superhero origin film called Iron Man directed by Jon Favreau and starring Robert Downey Jr, Gwenyth Paltrow, Terrence Howard and Jeff Bridges. Iron Man is the first and still by FAR the best film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Iron Man is such an excellent film on so many levels. One such area is the area of casting, whoever chose to cast Robert Downey Jr as Tony Stark should be awarded a medal. Terrence Howard is MUCH better than Don Cheadle and it's a shame we never got to see Terrence don the armor. Jeff Bridges brings an otherwise uninteresting character to life in a grand way, he is honestly the only good villain in the series besides Loki. The beautiful, sexy Gwenyth Paltrow brings a female presence to help balance out this testosterone party.

The story is also nothing to scoff at, the best story telling so far in the entire series. Because the plot is so well written, Tony is an irresponsible jerk. But he's also a technological genius. He builds an uber powerful missile called Jericho. But when he is fatally wounded and kidnapped he realizes the error of his ways. At the end of the day he decides to change who he is, and not to waste his life. (At least until Iron Man 2) Obadiah Stane's involvement in the plot is great, it was a great way to intertwine the two and give Stane a real reason to be opposing Tony Stark. The final act where Stane paralyzes Tony and steals his reactor was dark, and straight up mean. Then when he builds his own stronger version of Iron Man is awesome too.

Which leads me to my next point, the action. While it may not be technically as good as its successors, it still remains my favorite. The scene where Tony first suits up in Mark I and escapes the prison is freaking epic, the scene where he suits up in the classic red and gold and takes on the Ten Rings terrorists is a classic. The final battle against Obadiah Stane in the Iron Monger Mech is excellent and one of the best. The flight scenes around are good too.

As a whole, Iron Man is easily and by far the best Marvel Cinematic Universe film to date. And one of the best comic book movies of all time. In fact I'd say Iron Man is the only MCU film that holds up as a great movie outside the universe and outside the genre. And that's for good reason, and to be frank it's the only one that finds its way into my personal top 10 comic books movies.

Rating: 9.5/10

So basically, at the end of the day. I'd say I like around half of them. Iron Man 2 & 3 and Thor 1 & 2 are watchable but mediocre at best. But I can watch Captain America, The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man or The Avengers at any time and be perfectly satisfied. As for the future, Captain America 2 is LITERALLY right around the corner and so far it looks awesome. Guardians of the Galaxy I never cared about and the trailer was pretty bad, but I'll still watch and if I like I'll say so. But beyond that after Age of Ultron and Ant-Man. I feel like they might start going too fast for their own good. I understand they want to milk everything that they can but the faster they churn out movies the faster they are going to wear out the genre. Anyhow, thanks for reading and express your opinions in the comments! Please, be civil!

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Pasto
Pasto - 3/20/2014, 3:58 PM
Oh no, you gave Iron Man 3 a 6.5. I actually agree with all of your scores. Well done sir.
r3negade
r3negade - 3/20/2014, 3:59 PM
I thought Thor: The Dark World was way better than Iron Man 3.
Kurne
Kurne - 3/20/2014, 4:50 PM
Iron Man 2 and 3 were great/enjoyable, they just had shitty storylines.

Thor: The Dark World was just bad plain and simple.


As long as Marvel can get back on track with The Winter Soldier and GOTG, they'll be set. 2013 was NOT their year.
gamecreatorjj
gamecreatorjj - 3/20/2014, 5:21 PM
I loved Incredible Hulk, Iron Man and Avengers. These three films feel to be unique and have their own way of doing things and telling their stories. The rest are pretty generic, they follow this same marvel formula.

This formula worked really well for The Dark World, but not so much for Thor or Iron Man 2 or Captain America. Those are all equally mediocre for me.

They dropped it and tried something new with IM3, moving towards standardizing how Avengers went about things, and that was horrible.

It looks like they are dropping all this for GOTG and Winter Soldier, which has me more than excited.
Interestein
Interestein - 3/20/2014, 5:56 PM
IRON MAN 2 is a very under rated film IMO, but I agree with you on THOR: THE DARK WORLD, very forgettable, but not as bad as you say.

IRON MAN
CAPTAIN AMERICA: TFA
THE AVENGERS
THE INCREDIBLE HULK
IRON MAN 2 + IRON MAN 3 (TIE)
THOR: THE DARK WORLD
THOR
TheHero
TheHero - 3/20/2014, 6:00 PM
To be honest, I don't understand why people hate IM3. I liked it. Was it the humor? Because you know that this is from Shane Black and if you've seen any of his stuff it's funny (but in a dark, cynical way). Overall, I somewhat agree with your list.
JohnnyRoss
JohnnyRoss - 3/20/2014, 6:05 PM
I loved Iron Man 3.
CharlesLord
CharlesLord - 3/20/2014, 7:01 PM
I think TFA is easily the weakest movie marvel has released. I get complaints on TDW and wish the Malekith development wasnt left on the chop block (even tho I still understood his reasons for villiany). I also really liked IM2 even thru the obvious studio meddling with the movie. Also disagree with IM3 but im not gonna get into that.
JamesMan
JamesMan - 3/20/2014, 7:18 PM
Iron Man- 4.5/5
The Incredible Hulk- 4.5/5
Iron Man 2- 2/5
Thor- 3/5
Captain America: The First Avenger- 3/5
The Avengers- 3.5/5
Iron Man 3- 3.5/5
Thor: The Dark World- 2.5/5
feedonatreefrog
feedonatreefrog - 3/20/2014, 7:18 PM
Thor - 7/10

Captain America - 7/10

The Avengers - 6/10 (On first watch I'd give it a 9.5/10 , but the shine wore off. Now I can't stand Whedon's tone and the TV level cinematography. It's tough to get through.)

Iron Man - 6/10 (I'm just kinda sick of RDJ/Stark now.)

Iron Man 3 - 6/10

Iron Man 2 - 5.5/10

Thor TDW - 5.5/10

Incredible Hulk - 5/10
CaptainAmerica31
CaptainAmerica31 - 3/20/2014, 8:04 PM
Agree 100% I'm sorry but I don't see TWS being better than IM.
wookiefit
wookiefit - 3/20/2014, 8:07 PM
Good all around. I agree with all but Thor. I think it was better than Hulk. You gave Hulk and Cap 8/10. I would have made Thor an 8 also, and dropped Hulk to a 7 maybe 6.5. Write ups were pretty solid. Nice!
wookiefit
wookiefit - 3/20/2014, 8:09 PM
Didn't they say that for Iron-Man 2 the writer's strike kind of screwed them and that they were ad-libbing most of the movie? They were locked into production time frames and just had to go with it.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 3/20/2014, 8:24 PM
I'm gonna focus on the First Avenger here.

Great movie. Not a very hands-on villain, errrr, villains, really. You know who's more menacing than the Red Skull? Frickin Thorin Oakenshield, who manages to kill someone very important, not just to Steve, but for all that he'd come to represent. He gives Steve his first test-run, puts him through the ropes, and even after the man who would be Captain America chases him down, he still isn't defeated - he bites a cyanide capsule.

I think the trouble is that the only character they manage to develop here is Steve, and not even that much. The whole outing feels like a bunch of trailers for the same thing that we can't seem to really get to. It's like in Poltergeist when the mom is running down a hallway that grows longer to keep her from getting to her daughter. And it's not even attainable.

Tommy Lee Jones could have been so much better, and sure, he's playing himself, but what I mean to say is, we could have seen him working with Steve a little bit more. Bucky is also "killed off" way too early on, and we really don't see Cap fighting anyone outside of Hydra agents with advanced weapons. Even the fight with Red Skull at the end is just over before you know it.

Hugo Weaving is a great character actor who is wasted on the mundane roles most people land. He does a great job being sinister and almost excitingly so, but he doesn't get his hands dirty.

I did like Peggy though.... a LOT. I thought Chris Evans was also good, kind of reserved from his usual comedic roles, which was refreshing considering how serious Cap SHOULD be. The strange thing is, in most superhero movies (except Iron Man and maybe a couple of others), *I* like the bad guy more than I like the main character. I think they can do more, I think they're more of a fantasy (as crazy as it sounds) that people kind of WISH they could be, but you know, aren't. In this movie, Steve is my favorite character, because he represents this paragon of heroism and determination.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 3/20/2014, 8:47 PM
And I'm obviously a CBM fan, regardless of it being Marvel or DC, I like the genre. I feel that half of the Marvel films are responsive... Iron Man 2 exists because the first movie was such a popular hit... and it didn't really have a point to it. A movie filmed DIRECTLY after the first one, I mean come on.

Yes, there's some thought, yes some of it is actually great, but not a whole lot of it is memorable, is it? The villains are mostly two-dimensional, and extremely generic. One might argue that you can't do much with any of the characters, but that's bullshit. Bane has no name, no actual confirmed, official, 100% true origin story - we just know he was born in a prison. You could do so much with that. Killian could have been a lot more interesting, but they tried to go with him being subtle, and behind the scenes in order to draw attention AWAY from him. The story took over the character. Malekith - I've said this a bunch already - he should have been a less-wacky but just as creepy elf version of Jack Nicholson's Joker, but instead was a brooding CEO of darkness who couldn't have been less interesting, and didn't do much on his own.

I hope this changes in the future - there's a lot of potential out there.
whoa123
whoa123 - 3/20/2014, 9:03 PM
The first time I've watched Thor: The Dark World I loved it but when I rewatched it last time, it felt stale to me and a bit dragging. My rating for the MCU films though are:

Iron Man- 10/10
Iron Man 2- 6/10
Iron Man 3- 7.5/10
Thor- 7/10
Thor: The Dark World- I used to have this at 7/10 but now it's more of a 5.5/10
The Incredible Hulk- 8.5/10
Captain America: The First Avenger- 8/10
The Avengers- 10/10
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 3/20/2014, 9:17 PM
Awesome article. I agree with all of your scores and the reviews you've done on each Marvel Studios film. I'm eager to see how The Winter Soldier does in terms of quality and the same applies to GOTG and i'm hoping both films will be on the same level as the film Iron Man.
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 3/20/2014, 9:56 PM
Not bad. I definitely put TDW at the bottom though, the more I think about that movie, the less I like it. And I would put TFA much higher, above Iron Man even.

My list:

1. Avengers
2. Captain America: The First Avenger
3. Iron Man
(tie)4. Thor
(tie)4. The Incredible Hulk
6. Iron Man 3 (had it ranked lower, but after watching on STARZ a few times, it is growing on me
7. Iron Man 2 (not much behind IM 3, underrated imo)
8. Thor: The Dark World (easily the worst so far. It was, at best, meh)

Note: If Ang Lee's Hulk was considered part of the MCU, it would easily be the worst on this list. In fact, it was so bad I would probably just go ahead and rank the next 15-20 MCU films ahead of it.

I will say that if TWS lives up to what I'm expecting, it may pass Avengers for first place.
Destined
Destined - 3/20/2014, 11:01 PM
This was a spot on rating of the films and I agree 100%! And yes, I enjoyed Terrance Howard way more than Don Cheadle as Rhodes and I miss Hayley Atwell too. Would much rather have a repeat of Peggy than lame Sharon any day. Kudos!
Vortigar
Vortigar - 3/21/2014, 1:02 AM
The First Avenger has a major problem in that they use the war against hydra as some kind of training montage. The origin bit is awesome and then the final 45 minutes the film drops off like a bomb ending with that weird "I have to crash it in the arctic" bit. Its such a shame, awesome lead up that goes nowhere.

Then again, I love the first Thor movie.
CaptainAmerica31
CaptainAmerica31 - 3/21/2014, 5:00 AM
Agreed^^ would've liked to see actual scenes including cap fighting hydra and not a montage
Wallymelon
Wallymelon - 3/21/2014, 9:43 AM
I pretty much agree with all your points. My order would be a bit different.

Iron Man 3 gets better every time I watch it. I don't love how comedic it is but it's still very charming.

Thor:TDW 4/10
Cap 1. 5.5/10
Iron Man 2 6/10
Thor 6/10
Iron Man 3 6/10
The Avengers 8.5/10
The Incredible Hulk 8.5/10
Iron Man 1. 9/10
Wallymelon
Wallymelon - 3/21/2014, 9:53 AM
I always wanna turn off cap 1. I like the first half. Once Bucky is saved it goes down hill.
Wolf38
Wolf38 - 3/21/2014, 10:35 AM
1. Iron Man 3
2. Iron Man
3. Thor
4. Captain America: The First Avenger
5. The Avengers
6. The Incredible Hulk
7. Iron Man 2
8. Thor: The Dark World
Wallymelon
Wallymelon - 3/21/2014, 12:46 PM
@dethpillow

that would have been a bit better. The film was just rushed. I ge why but the fact that Avengers was around the corner held it back. Its a hard film to pull off in the amount of time given. To have Bucky and Cap die and set up hydra and Zola and Red Skull and give him a love interest and set up SHEILD and to show Caps origin and the super soldier serum.

So much to put into one film. It was handled ok but could have been better. If they trimmed the first act a little bit it would ruin the character development needed. If they took out Hydra and Red Skulls backstory then it would pull the weight from the film. Its the damn USO callback in the second act that was nice but was too damn long. They could have gotten rid of it and just sent him to war since the serum worked. Not as a captain just yet but working with skilled agents in the field. Eventually hearing about the fleet Bucky was in. Saving his ass and starting the Howling Commandos. If they just showed a cool mission with the Commandos instead of a second montage Im sure everyone would have been happier. The train scene was too quick. If the mission was dragged out longer and Bucky stayed to the end of the film fighting with cap and the Red Skull knocks him out of the Valkyrie. That would have put more weight on both characters. Really give Cap a reason to defeat the Red Skull. The Tesseract should have created a surge of energy blasting huge holes in the Valkyrie and causing Skull to vaporize into another realm. Then Cap has a real reason to crash because there is literally no control with all the holes.

I dont know just my thoughts.
marvel72
marvel72 - 3/21/2014, 6:47 PM
i don't like giving movies perfect scores because i think they all have faults with them,however thinking about it some movies have minor were others have major ones so for the first time ever,you're gonna see some perfect scores.

-iron man 5/5
-the incredible hulk 4/5
-iron man 2 3/5
-thor 3/5
-captain america the first avenger 3/5
-the avengers 5/5
-iron man 3 3/5
-thor the dark world 4/5
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 3/22/2014, 3:03 AM
Oh yeah, i forget to rank the films according to me:
1)Iron Man
2)The Avengers
3)Thor
4)Captain America The First Avenger
5)Thor The Dark World
6)Iron Man 2
7)The Incredible Hulk
8)Iron Man 3
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