SAG-AFTRA And AMPTP Resume Talks Today; Megan Fox Slammed For Halloween Costume Choice

@mastakilla39 - 1) I've seen those roles and needs. Having them play dress up and pretend isn't nearly as crucial to the success of a film as actually writing or directing it. So expecting more for that (and over double as their demands stipulated) is way too much.

2) you know what those actors shouldn't have to do? Sit out of work for the better part of a year because the union can't compromise on anything. The actors themselves are turning against this. And it's because of the president, Fran Drescher, who isn't even working beyond like two bit roles a year anyway.

@mastakilla39 - 1) and if an actor can't do it it can go to another actor. That's not sufficient logic to say actors are more crucial. There's nothing for the actor to act as a visual representation of without a writer.

2) in other words, it's not about fair wages. It's "making up" from sh!t that happened before. And this isnt even the reason given by fran, who keeps talking about her legacy on the matter.

3) dude, I was a background actor. Literally the lowest actor on the totem pole. And I can tell you that's bs. You pay for transportation by driving there. That's it. They did my hair and make up at no cost to me, as well as costumes. And auditions are free, though you'd probably need to go through an agent to get into an audition. This is Hollywood they're striking against. Not some community theater.

3) it's the same pay the writers and directors agreed to. Are you saying they accepted sh!t pay?

And the a list actors are literally giving the money to compensate for it.

Also, what sh!t work conditions? Literally no one in the union ever said anything about the work conditions.

And dude, those actors are going homeless. You say it's sh!t pay? Well how many sh!t paying jobs can you not work at for as you put it 2 years and expect to survive?

@cham2119 - ah yes, the guy who claims to be a part of every union and none at the same time. He's schrodinger's union man.

But so what if they realized the could've gotten a better deal. It took 5 months of unemployment to get there. And the conditions of the strike basically only secure work for writers that are also producers and screwing over everyone else (especially since there's a pay requirement to vote in the first place).

You know nothing.

@Origame - 1) you don't need a writer because studios already have over 100k scripts stashed in their basement just waiting to be adapted, they have enough script for 10 years. All they need is a quick tune up which you can outsource to the UK or non union writer. 99% of top demand actors and upcoming actors are all in SAG thats why they are more important to deal with and why the AMTP tried to settle it 1st before even talking with the WGA.

2) the legacy of fran and SAG rely on these current negotiations because it determines the future of the industry. if AI and pay are not up to the standard of living than its not going to eventually end. its not only about making up for the past but setting a new fair wage standard for the future. if they get a fair deal right now the future negotiations are going to be easier because they will only need to negotiate percentages and other revenue outlets.

3) its free to audition but since the pandemic they forced a majority of actors to film their own auditions and submit it themselves to the studio. as they stated it created an unfair advantage to actors who cannot pay for higher quality camera, lighting, editing, and costumes. hair and makeup is not free, the actress from orange is the new black had to pay for her own transportation and make up each season to get on set. They are treating actors even on hit shows like orange is the new black like community theater while reaping all the benefits.

4) the pay for writers and directors are irrelevant to the actors because they all get paid differently. there is no universal payment plan that works and meets the needs of all 3 organizations thats why it was 3 different negotiations. For example, directors were willing to accept a lower salary increase because they don't rely only on a salary to survive. They are often paid a percentage of the box office, paid for writing and screenplay touch ups, additional pay if they are producers, and often get licensing/ownership pay too if its an original work by them. Since they get paid in more outlets compared to writers and actors they mostly just negotiated percentages in all those avenues.

the a list actor's proposal doesn't work because they are not the employer. fran addressed this in her video that this proposal from the a list actors is illegal because only employers can set those conditions. SAG is federally regulated by the US govt and must adhere to the same labor standards.

Literally this whole fight was for better working conditions and pay. to have fair work hours, time off, breaks, and pay increase..WTF are you talking about no working conditions were mentioned in their clauses? That was 1 of the biggest fights for the WGA thats why they were on strike 1st and the longest.

@mastakilla39 - 1) yet they felt pressure to actually move ahead with the negotiations months ago, even before sag got in on the strike. If those scripts were worth adapting, they would've been adapted. And funny you mention non union writers because you can do the same with actors. La is literally filled with wannabe actors.

2) that's what the wga deal was for. That's why you strike at the same time with another union. They set the precedent for what the next union gets. Continuing at this point is completely unheard of. And exactly. Legacy. It's not about fair wages. It's getting to say you did something without the asterisk of it being from the wga deal. It's selfish, and only resulting in the people she claims to be fighting for suffering in the meantime. When your own union members are offering to pay just so they can get back to work, that's a sign you aren't speaking for your members anymore.

3) you're a f@#$ing liar. Pandemic hasn't affected productions in a long time. You can appear in person now. Plus, even a phone camera is clear enough that it's not gonna affect anything.

Also, not only did orange is the new black have makeup artists, one of the actresses even paid a tribute to hers. https://www.distractify.com/p/karen-reuter-orange-is-the-new-black

4) it has 3 different negotiations because they formed 3 different unions. It's all by commission work my dude.

@Origame - your full of shit and have no idea of how the industry works

1) You cant do the same with actors because 99% of actors are with SAG unlike writers they don't use non-union actors because they don't have the same demand as SAG actors. There are little to no actors who are non-union unless your an extra just doing it as a side gig. Scripts they have in the vaults aren't used because they are mostly original ips that are risky, but if they have to ride out the strike for a year they can just adapt them as movies or shows. They can also just hire a bunch of british actors and shoot overseas like House of Dragon S2 who are not affiliated with SAG. Thats already how Netflix is still releasing new content every week.

2. How is it selfish when Fran and SAG are actually doing their [frick]ing job? A listers can't make up for the AMTP because its illegal, how much more can I spell that out for you?

3. Read the articles on deadline or SAG member's testaments. Movie studios have all been reducing in person auditions to save money in booking venues and paying hiring directors to monitor every actor. SAG wants to have it in writing that they will stop this practice and go back to offering both options instead of just pushing all actors to self-tape. When actors self tape they have to do their own makeup, edit, and shoot the footage multiples times at their cost.

4. its 3 different unions because they all operate and specialize in different areas same as any profession. its like saying people who all get paid hourly should have the same union, thats retarded.

@mastakilla39 - 1) if that's the case, then why were they so worried about scab actors during the strike? There are plenty of actors outside of the Hollywood circuit that would kill for the chance to prove themselves. Sag only covers Hollywood my dude.

Also "they're original and risky" doesn't sound like something they'd want to go with for 10 years. Hence why they didn't even try and instead pushed their projects back. Thanks for making my point though, that those projects are ones they don't have confidence in.

2) it's their job to keep people from working for the better part of a year? Didn't realize this.

The whole point of doing the strike with wga was to piggy back on their deal. It makes no sense to keep this going. What do you think the strikers are gonna be able to do considering by your logic they had sh!t pay and haven't been able to work this whole time.

Wtf? It's not illegal to give money. Wtf is wrong with you? Please don't call the cops on my grandma for her birthday check 🤣

3) yeah, testimony. As in what they said. Really not taking their word as is. Especially from someone who lied about orange is the new black.

4) the point being it's already a field that's regularly negotiated on an individual level. This deal means nothing other than a minimum.

@Origame - oh and here’s the dispute you’re look for… everything you said is factually top to bottom wrong you have no idea how our unions work or our voting how our membership’s communicate or what we’ve been doing to support each other you’re trying to dress up a general dissatisfaction with the fact that your dumbass doesn’t get new stuff to shove into that idiot brain of yours as concern for workers who are on the picket lines fighting for fairness you could take a second and reflect on the fact that literally no one here has agreed with a single thing you’ve said but no just keep digging that hole you

@cham2119 - dude, you'd probably just fill her head with pro union propaganda when she just wants to get candy and watch scary movies.

Yet not only can't you come up with an example of what I got wrong you can't even articulate what I'm wrong about. All you can do is ad populum by saying everyone disagrees with me and that makes me wrong. Logic that's faulty, but not even correct as literally the last conversation we had was filled with people saying YOU were wrong.

Also, still on about being in the union even though before you denied it. What is it? Are you part of one of these unions or not?

@Origame - without unions she’d be knitting sweaters for old navy genius labor unions are the reason things like the weekend and child labor laws exist wow keep putting that idiocy on display🤣🤣🤣😂

@mountainman can you believe the lengths some people will go to defend these unions? Now we got this guy trying to argue unions are responsible for the weekend and child labor laws.

@Origame - Child labor went away because the economy got better. Children worked when families couldn’t get by without children working. Not unions, not the government, prosperity brought on by free market principles allowed for society to move on without children working.

@cham2119 - yeah, no. The new England cotton mill did that a full 21 years before this.

And before you try and say "those weren't the same days off" first of all, semantics, and second of Henry Ford gave his workers Saturday and Sunday off in 1926 so they could have vacation time and spend at stores.

And again, 1916 was when advocacy groups specifically trying to end child labor was when the first child labor laws were first being implemented. And their continued pressure over the years eventually lead to outright banning of the practice.

It's all there in the sources I provided. But of course you're too stubborn to accept you're wrong.

@Origame - union organization set nation standards but go a head throat that ford knob for doing the bare minimum while union busting. It is hilarious how badly you were taught seemingly all of labor history 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Here are some more things you can google and than thank your local unions for

1935 – National Labor Relations Act (NLRA)

1938 – Fair Labor Standards Act

1906-1949 – Workers’ Compensation Laws

Oh and since you can’t get enough of ford dragging its nut across your face it was just reported that because of the UAW contract win ford raised their non union workers pay rate to discourage more people joining. They can literally thank the unions for getting them better pay. Again what’s it like being wrong all the time🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@cham2119 - so for the great accomplishments of unions:

Nlra- so unions created the ability...to unionize. Sounds like they just served their own existence there.

Fair labor act- about all that can be credited here is minimum wage, which is debatable as a good thing. I'd argue it's a bad thing by forcing wages as opposed to letting companies choose competitive wages. In fact making it standard has only encouraged companies to go with illegal immigrants, leading to the problem we currently have.

Workers compensation laws- this varies from state to state and many cases having nothing to do with unions but just concerned citizens bringing the issues up with their local government. Unions objectively don't make laws as their whole purpose is to negotiate with the companies.

As for the Ford pay, I actually agree with that strike. And I've said this here before. Still don't agree with the wga or the sag strike though.

@cham2119 - says it doesn't matter what I think, yet my reasoning has to do with what's actually going on. Companies are turning to illegal immigrants for labor as a direct result of minimum wage. This led to the immigration problem as well as workers losing their jobs. I'm the one actually showing concern for the people affected by it. Not you. You're seeing the minimum wage, screamed "success" and not bothering to see the consequences.

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@mountainman -


The last thing they have to agree on is A.I.



The studios want to own a actors likeness forever if they appear in a film. That's insane.

@AmazingFILMporg - I imagine the AI clause can get resolved, and for the record I’m on the actor’s side of that specific issue.

It’s the “success based compensation” clause that I don’t see any way that the studios will agree to. Personally, I feel like they went way too far with that one.