Stop complaining! Why fans should stop nit-picking CBMs

I agree and I think there also needs to be a proper balance between comic continuity and movie, to a point.

As stoked as I am for a solo Deadpool movie its als a little rediculous that they changed him so much in Wolverine that they now have to make a whole new movie to make him proper.

@ anil

"so they should try to dedicate a decent portion of loyalty to the comics, not fully, but majorly..."

my point exactly! changes are fine, but the movie should still have the same tone and feel of the comics. look at ghost rider. Ghost Rider comics are very dark, violent, and serious. the movie was a mockery, it was so kiddied up and dumbed down, that it didn't even feel like a Ghost Rider movie, even if he did LOOK exactly like he does in the comics...

@LEEE777,AGREED!!!! BUT SOMETIMES CHANGE IS FOR THE BETTER!!!! TIM BURTONS BATMAN MOVIES DIDNT FOLLOW THE COMIC'S BUT I GET ENJOYMENT OUT OF WATCHING THEM.THERE PRETTY HORRIBLE AS ADAPTAION'S, BUT GOOD AS MOVIES.IM JUST SAYIN.

I thought it was already established that hollywood cbms were alternate realities.







But X-men Origins Wolverine I just didnt go see because I felt it was stupid as a movie on its own. "But don't take my word for it!"

something we agree on the one thng i never hear people complain about is whistler in blade give them a break they just want more than just us to watch these movies but i do agree deadpool looked pretty dumb and not intimidating at all

i am sick and tired of all the whining on here lately, that is why I haven't been on as much as I use to. I understand the love for these characters, trust me my favorite guy is The Punisher ( I have 2 tattoos of the guy) but you dont see me complain about the movie or who played him every freakin post I put up. All I am saying is it takes out the fun this place use to be for me.

i ain't complaining. i am easily impressed and try to enjoy the movie as it is and not thinking what it could have been...

This is essentially saying that we should just shut up and be happy with whatever swill they put out because "it's an interpretation". Well sorry, Ror. If I don't like something about a movie that is my right to do so FOR ANY REASON.

I don't give shit how many different versions there are. I probably don't read any "alternate reality" comics except "What If" lol

But that doesn't matter at all. As usual your just trying to tell everybody that they should all be like you and look at things the same as you do and feel like you do about movies, because of course you believe your point of view is superior to everybody elses point of view. naturally your superior to everyone who disagrees with you. Naturally. Well I am sorry.... I guess us sodding low intellect little ants that you judge in your all important godly way are just too stupid for that.

I can judge a movie on any basis I see fit, and I couldn't possibly care less what you think about it.

As comic book fans, we tend to get annoyed when they drastically change things about a character when they are adapted to film.At first, people complained about Spider-Man having organic webbing.Yeah, it works for the comics, because it tends to become a plot device that they've used for 40 years.How many times has Peter ran out of fluid while fighting a villain?Well, that's really not necessary in a two hour film.How many times can you do that?Probably once.

Another point is the X-Men costumes.I think leather was just a practical choice.In your mind, the comic uniforms would look good, but a group of adults standing around in brightly colored spandex would probably look ridiculous.Wolverine's uniform has underwear on the outside, for God sakes.And it's yellow.

There is one thing that I've never heard fans complain about.The Blade movie.They completely changed that character for the movie.Other than Blade being black and a vampire hunter, there was little resemblance between the two characters.They moved his birth from London to Detroit.They changed his personality from a cocky braggart to the strong stoic character from the films.Hell, they gave him new powers!He was just a regular guy who was immune to vampire bites and they changed him into a vampire-human hybrid with powers.Now, was it because very little people knew anything about Blade to complain?Was it because the changes made the character better?Was it because Spider-Man TAS used that version of the character before the film came out, so that's what most people were expecting?

I think people will be okay with changes as long as they are necessary to the film, and not just something a filmmaker just personally wants to change.

@ kenny

awesome points about Blade!!!! also, in the comics, Blade's sword used to be a handle that emitted solar energy for the blade, so it was like the blade of his sword was concentrated sunlight. thats how he was able to kill Vamps with it. in the movie it was acid etched titanium. so, how should that be able to kill vamps unless he stabs them in the heart or decapitates them? yet, people still love it!

thats why i stand by the fact that changes are fine, as long as the movie itself is good! :)

Good article man but I'm not just going to accept any old crap thrown at me! I can accept changes because sometimes they're necessary and other times they actually improve on the comic books. However, the day I, or any other comic book fan, stops complaining about shitty movies like Fantastic Four and Elektra will be a sad one indeed.

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I can somewhat agree with you, but there is a line that can be crossed. There very well may be 67 versions of Captain America, but I still think you will find them to be fairly consistent as far as the core character goes. If they were to have a black haired skinny Captain America, the Alternate Reality theory doesn't really hold up for me. I am for some concessions as long as the fundamental character and universe aren't overly screwed with.

Perhaps complaining is part of what makes us comic book geeks such special people.

i think we've every right in the world to bitch/complain as much as we want. if it wasnt for us the fans, we wouldnt have ed norton more or less leaving it up to us (in a way) to decide whether he shud reprise his role as b banner/hulk. the complaining and giving out is totally acceptable and worth it when you here a guy like that, whos in it for the fans and passion for the genre, connect so well with us. guys keep complaining when its called for.

I agree that it's annoying as hell to listen to the bitching and moaning around here lately. "But wah! My lame ass pick wasn't chosen, that ruins the whole movie for me now! Wah! Wah! This movie's going to be shit! If only they got my lame ass pick, it would have been great! But nope, now all hope's lost! Wah! Wah!" Just shut. The f*ck. Up.

But, I don't think we should have to compromise our standards in order to accept everything that's thrown at us. We shouldn't have to accept shit like Catwoman, Fantastic Four, Ghost Rider, etc. What gets to me is the endless bitching and whining about crap that isn't in our control and that hasn't come out yet, mainly casting. How many times have fans been wrong about actors in certain roles? Yeah, there's a limit, as in a wrestler or a bodybuilder, but the way people just give up and refuse to give actors a chance just pisses me off. This whole Evans debacle is yet another example. If it was up to fans, we would have gotten Crispin Glover as Joker instead of Heath. Sure, he would have done a pretty good job, but nowhere near as good as Heath.

My point is, stop your bitching about something that hasn't come out yet. And stop complaining that a little detail here and there was left out, or the character's costume isn't taken directly off the page of the comics. Simple as that.

But, if a movie is shit after it comes out, by all means, express your opinion, but nitpicking details and whining about casting choices before you've seen the actual film is bullshit IMO.

I like what Joe Quesada had to say about this: the Marvel Movies are being made by Marvel guys, not studio execs, who are (mostly) paranoid morons.

IM and TIH are terrific films. It's hard to argue with the look & feel, tone of the films, how faithful they are and the deviations they made from the source material. There's always something they could do better, but on whole, the films rocked.

Even if Cap or Thor or the Avengers don't get it completely right, it's not for a lack of trying - these guys WANT to make the best superhero films.

And now that Warners has created DC Entertainment and has a good creative group in charge, they're in a good position to make rocking movies as well.

The REAL problem is films made outside of Marvel & DC Entertainment. Fox & Sony are short sighted & don't understand what they've got. For example, the Fantastic Four has some of the best stories out there and to royally screw the pooch on those films is, for us fans especially, incredibly unfortunate.

The anger should be directed at Fox, Sony, and any studio that makes a superhero film and doesn't understand the characters and/or the genre.

I agree that complaining about things like minor (or even major) changes to a character's costume or their looks or physique not being a carbon copy of how it is in the comics is often just nitpicking, but complaining about completely bastardising what makes a character popular in the first place is absolutely justified.

Having said that, some costumes are almost so iconic that you just can't change them significantly - Spider-Man and Superman being the two main examples. The likes of the X-Men, however, who have had radical changes of costume throughout their history, are absolutely fair game. So is almost everyone else (there's an article to be written - which costumes can NEVER be significantly changed and which ones can be for live-action and to what degree).

More important than costumes or look however, is the character or personality of the character. You can change Punisher's costume (doesn't matter how good his movies could have been, if he'd worn white boots and gloves it would have been an Epic Fail regardless), but you just can't change WHO he is. This was my problem with Superman in Superman Returns - that was a weak, shallow, self-centred mockery of who Superman 'really' is - a strong, moral, responsible Man of Steel, who could be looked up to by anyone. I wouldn't have had a problem with his look (which I did hate), if he'd have behaved like Superman, but he didn't. And the story was also crap... therefore, Epic Fail. TDK worked because, as much as they changed things around, it was still recognisably Batman. Deadpool was the absolute worst example of this utter bastardisation of a character to the point where it was simply unrecognisable as Deadpool. As someone else said, why not just invent a new character if you're going to change them to the point where they're not them any more? Oh, right - then you don't get to market the film as having Deadpool in it - even if he isn't, really.

Most important of all, as we've seen with examples like Ghost Rider (where the look, if nothing else, was absolutely spot on), or the FF (again, looks-wise, pretty accurate - although I personally think they should have gone with a CGI enhanced Thing), if you don't tell a good story, you're [frick]ed. And it is, in that case, absolutely right and proper that we should moan about them. If it looks, smells and tastes like shit, then it's probably shit.

We may be hard to please, but if you really make an effort and show that you actually understand why these characters and their stories are so loved and have been popular with generations of readers, then we're quite happy to show some leeway - again see TDK, IM, TIH, Blade, even Spidey 1 & 2. The trick for Hollywood is to get people on board who both understand the characters AND who can make a damn good film. That's not easy, for sure, but now that comics, artists and writers are only really now getting respect from the movie world - and that companies like Marvel can actually control the movies made about their characters - that balance is starting to shift.

For all the bitching about the Captain America film so far, you can bet that come opening day, if it's a great story and the character is recognisably Cap/Steve (regardless of any minor costume changes), then all this whining will be forgotten. If the story sucks, however, and the character acts, well, out of character at any point... then watch the backlash.

This is as it should be. Hysteria is bad, no argument, but justifiably bitching when things are crap only leads to better films for everyone, comic-fans and general movie-goer alike. Would we have had Batman Begins if we'd just accepted Batman & Robin (which did ok at the box office, let's not forget) as an 'alernative' take? No. Bitching works, when justified.