The Dark Knight Rises Vs. The Avengers: Is It Really Worth The Debating?

The Dark Knight Rises Vs. The Avengers: Is It Really Worth The Debating?

For the past few months, I've noticed a lot of strife over which of the two aforementioned films will be better. In my latest editorial, I decide to explore the reasons behind the debate, etc...

Editorial Opinion
By PaulRom - Oct 17, 2011 02:10 PM EST
Filed Under: Other



Of course, comparisons between the two films are inevitable. They're by far the most anticipated CBMs of next year, and for good reason. The Dark Knight Rises will be the epic conclusion to Chris Nolan's critically-acclaimed Batman trilogy, following up to what's commonly considered the greatest CBM ever, The Dark Knight. Meanwhile, on the Marvel side, The Avengers is anticipated because it's the first real superhero teamup film (not counting X-Men or Fantastic Four), bringing together heroes such as Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor in the same film for the first time in cinematic history. So obviously, many would anticipated The Avengers the most. Even I have more excitement for Avengers than I do TDKR, but of course I try to anticipate both.

I'll go ahead and be honest - the first few marketing pieces from The Avengers weren't that impressive IMO. Sure the two pieces of promo art showing the full team was unbelievably epic, and the Loki promo art was cool too, but everything else felt pretty underwhelming. We all know of how mediocre the EW cover was, but let's look at the first trailer and poster. The teaser poster, while pretty cool, looked extremely generic/predictable, and it didn't look that different from some fan made posters I've seen. As for the trailer attached to the after credits of Captain America, that was also cool, but at the same time underwhelming. IMO, it wasn't much more than a bunch of random shots of different scenes/characters, and I didn't even know what was going on in the trailer until the HD version recently leaked online (you can watch it here). But did it affect my anticipation of the film? Hardly. And any doubt I had was blown out of the water when the full trailer debuted last week, IMO it could be the best trailer ever. So I have high hopes that The Avengers will deliver.



As for The Dark Knight Rises, I've really loved what's been released so far. The teaser poster is definitely one of the more creative posters released in recent years (although it looks a bit too similar to posters for Inception and Batman Begins), and it certainly raised my expectations for the film. The trailer raised them too, and say what you will about how 'unrevealing it is' - at least it's better than the first Avengers trailer, which was released right after the TDKR one. I've heard complaints about the TDKR trailer reusing old footage from previous films, but not as much as both Avengers trailers reusing clips of Iron Man from the 2008 film. You can say that the effects weren't finished to reveal much new footage of Iron Man, but what about other TDKR footage that was being edited at the time the trailer was being finalized? Don't bash a movie for doing something, when accepting another movie doing the very some thing.

Anyways, I do admit that the TDKR trailer seemed rather rushed. I do believe that Warner Bros. wanted to get a trailer out by Harry Potter 7.2, because that's how their marketing works. The Avengers trailer felt somewhat rushed too, just so it could be a little treat after the credits of Captain America. So it's more or less a lose-lose situation for both films, because of their studios' marketing plans.



Despite my criticisms of both films' marketing, I am looking forward to both of them VERY much. I'm itching to see how the Batman trilogy ends, while The Avengers will indeed be the superhero film of a lifetime. I'm a lover of both Marvel and DC, so of course I'd look forward to films from both. Which leads me to my next point - most of the bashers of either film are either Marvel or DC fanboys (mostly Marvel). Every day I see comments on a TDKR article saying things like "The Threequel Curse strikes again!" or "THE DARK KNIGHT REHASHES!" (not pointing fingers at anyone in particular) without knowing anything about the storyline, or what goes on in the film. I see hate on The Avengers as well; regularly I see comments calling the film a "kids party film" and giving retarded reasons about why the film will "bomb" at the box office (which is impossible, considering the recent record broken by the film's trailer). I'm not biased concerning either film, so I'd appreciate it if there was unbiased treatment of both films (not that I can control anything, just a suggestion).

While we're on the topic, I'd like to talk about something that I've seen on CBM ever since I joined the site - people are too quick to judge a movie before seeing the whole picture about what it's about. I've addressed this in editorials about Green Lantern, X-Men: First Class, and most recently The Dark Knight Rises. It's a very common problem, and while it's impossible to please everyone, it's getting pretty old. Is it wrong to have expectations about a film? Not at all. But judging something before there's enough to judge isn't really fair. Look at X-Men: First Class - in my personal experience, I was practically hating on it at first, but now it's one of my favorite films of the year (second only to Captain America). Even Real Steel was better than what most people expected. Both are just examples of why we shouldn't judge a film when there isn't really enough to judge.

In conclusion, the purpose of this article was to look at both The Avengers and The Dark Knight Rises from the view of an unbiased comic fan, making criticisms and praises when necessary,as well as addressing the ever-common Marvel vs.DC debate (if you like one company more than the other, then fine; just don't go hating on anything from the other company just because it's from that company). I'd be glad to see a day when an Avengers or Dark Knight Rises article doesn't explode from a a DC vs. Marvel flame war in the comments, in all honesty. Finally, it's best not to judge a film before we've seen enough of it to decide, and we'll definitely have our decisions made next summer.
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bleedthefreak
bleedthefreak - 10/17/2011, 2:39 PM
No, only because John Carter will beat them all :P
PaulRom
PaulRom - 10/17/2011, 2:40 PM
@bleedthefreak LOL we'll see about that. ;P John Carter does look good, looking forward to it.
@barnabeejones Exactly.
golden123
golden123 - 10/17/2011, 3:24 PM
There is a difference between healthy debating and stupidly criticizing. The stupidly criticizing is what you explained, yet you had the word debate in the title. Online, I found this definiton of Debate, "1. Argue about (a subject), esp. in a formal manner." Did you notice the phrase "formal manner"? If you just arrive on an article then you make a negative comment just to piss people off and you leave. Then syou are not debating. Also, if people can stop getting so emotional about their opinions on these movies then this website would be a better place. It's not just the so called "trolls" faults. The whiners have a big part in tearing down the internet's reputation.

P.S. Why do X-Men and Fantastic Four not count as superhero team movies. Do you mean superhero crossover movies? Saying X-Men and Fantastic Four don't count as Team movies is silly.
PaulRom
PaulRom - 10/17/2011, 3:27 PM
@golden123 Yeah, I was talking about crossover films. Sorry I wasn't clear on that.
BooYah
BooYah - 10/17/2011, 4:02 PM
I'm looking forward to them both.

Sorry I don't have a long paragraph to make me look smart like everyone above me.
marvel72
marvel72 - 10/17/2011, 4:02 PM
as i said before i think the dark knight rises will be good but the worse of the trilogy,if i think something looks shit i'm gonna say it.
Irons
Irons - 10/17/2011, 4:08 PM
Great article, but you and I both know its main ideas are going to be largely ignored by the people it was intended for.
superotherside
superotherside - 10/17/2011, 4:20 PM
Great article bro! Agree 200% ;)
MrReese
MrReese - 10/17/2011, 4:34 PM
Im anticipating both but TDKR will take the cake ;)
jjmeylar
jjmeylar - 10/17/2011, 6:58 PM
TDKR's villains are going to be poorly adapted, just like TDK's. "The Avengers" will be greatly adapted. All fanboyness aside: both will be thoroughly enjoyable films that make loads of money.
95
95 - 10/17/2011, 7:34 PM
I agree @PaulRom.

I hope some of you know that Hollywood laughs at your opinions.

And they're probably going to make money off you too, so...

The Avengers is an interesting concept and looks like a midnight premiere viewing for me.

The Dark Knight Rises is the "epic conclusion" to what could be the best trilogy ever.
Technology wise, it's mindblowing. Definitely lining up to see this.
ArtisticErotic
ArtisticErotic - 10/17/2011, 8:21 PM
I'm sorry but Avengers just looks like another typical action movie, all that trailer showed off was action some lame humor and more action and pretty wacky acting. I mean I've never been too much into avengers as it is but nothing about it has me excited, it looks like Power Rangers the movie all over again.

The Dark Knight Rises might be good but I hate the way Bane and Cat-woman look thus far but I'm sure it will be a good conclusion to the series.



heisei24
heisei24 - 10/18/2011, 2:55 AM
Well said bro!
MARV3L
MARV3L - 10/18/2011, 4:02 AM
Tell me about it!

Just because MARVEL is the best, doesn't mean DC is a piece of crap... JOKES!

ALL COMICS RULE!
StrangerX
StrangerX - 10/18/2011, 7:06 AM
I know most fans on here are just really busting each others balls so I haven't found any reason to join the debates. I may be a hardcore DC fan, but I'm still excited for The Avengers. I think my only prob is that I was expecting more from Thor and Cap TFA, and they kind of left a bad taste in my mouth with how the Avengers will be. I was expecting more EPIC instead I got mediocre. In fact even with the Avengers trailer I wasn't feeling the EPIC, but i'm still excited. As for TDKR I could sense how big the movie was going to be with the Teaser Theme chanting and the ending of the trailer with Bane facing off with Batman.
MovieMaster
MovieMaster - 10/18/2011, 8:23 AM
agree 100% bro, good job! the fighting is ridiculous, but i can tell that TDKR will come out on top story-wise and in epicness. The Avengers just looks like a typical action movie, but that wont stop me skipping school to go see it :) and as StrangerX said, the teaser showed that it will have a different feel than the previous two films and that it will be on a HUGE scale and be epic :)
Frogman
Frogman - 10/18/2011, 10:52 AM
I think they'll both be good for different reasons but I'm 100% sure I'll enjoy them both and if I don't I'll be very shocked.
alucard365
alucard365 - 10/18/2011, 12:06 PM
The Dark Knight Rises = EPIC Movie

The Avengers = Average Movie
Ghostfire
Ghostfire - 10/18/2011, 1:31 PM
@PaulRom
Great article, bud. An I agree with you 100%.

I know some of you have already expressed their opinions on this films, and I respect them, but how can anybody judge a film by a trailer that hasn't shown much. For instance, TDKR trailer reused footage to summarize the past 2 films, with little footage shown from the new film. How is that Epic?

The Avengers, so far what I've seen looks good not great but good. It's a film still in production, so how can one say its another average,action film. You can't because we haven't anything other than 2 mins of a trailer.

So what happens if the TDKR turns out to be an average, action film and The Avengers turns out to be the better film? Then what? It's better no to talk or say anything until we see the finished product.

Now I love both companies equally and I am not biased at all, but the Marvel vs. DC thing needs to stop because its annoying and childish. And honestly, I can't wait to see both movies, why.. well because I'm a CB & CBM fan.
jjmeylar
jjmeylar - 10/18/2011, 4:22 PM
@darkseidpawns: I just call it like I see it.
grog
grog - 10/18/2011, 8:39 PM
@PaulRom I could not agree more. I come to this site for 1 reason and 1 reason only. That is to get information about upcoming comic book movies. Hey wait a minute isn't that the name of this site. I love the fact that our comics are finally being made into movies. I don't care one little bit if it is DC or Marvel. They are comic book movies PERIOD. Isn't this what we all want?
Redhood2k10
Redhood2k10 - 10/18/2011, 11:47 PM
Well said. More DC then Marvel Guy but I love alot of Marvel movies as much as I do DC movies. A good movie is a good movie regardless of where its from. If you are a fan of cbm's then be just that a fan of all of them because the more money cbm's make the more we'll have. @ darkseidpawns, I agree 100% percent, Nolan's Joker was amazing.
StrangerX
StrangerX - 10/19/2011, 6:29 AM
IDK-I think when it comes to storyline any real fan can basically sum up what will happen in The Avengers, it's just the anticipation of finally seeing all these heroes on screen that's so exciting.

As for TDKR- I've seen a bunch of leaked footage and I still couldn't tell you what's gonna happen in the [frick]ing movie.
PaulRom
PaulRom - 10/19/2011, 11:20 AM
@Intruder I think you mean two scenes, one for each of the Avengers trailers released. And the recent theatrical trailer also reused previous footage/shots we've seen before.
lnTylerWeTrust
lnTylerWeTrust - 10/20/2011, 1:31 PM
I love me some boobs...and the Avengers are cool to :)
SageMode
SageMode - 10/20/2011, 7:52 PM
@PaulRom:
"one for each of the Avengers trailers released"

The only scene The Avengers trailer used that was in another movie (Iron Man) was the VERY brief glimpse of RDJ in the Iron Man suit when the front part of his helmet closes over his face. thats it.

"And the recent theatrical trailer also reused previous footage/shots we've seen before."

But its the same movie, not a different one. TA didnt use any other footage from Iron Man, Thor, Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, or Captain America.

SageMode
SageMode - 10/20/2011, 8:07 PM
As long as Marvel and DC exists, there will always be a rivalry, between the companies and the fans from both sides. whether we like it or not. like the Yankees and Red Sox.
beetheb
beetheb - 10/23/2011, 10:48 PM
I don't hate on either film, I'm a fan of both companies and I certainly don't pass judgement till I've seen a full film, there's just something about the spoilers, set photos and promotion for TDKR that don't grab my inner fanboy and make me feel like I MUST see it. I mean I'm sure I will see it, and being a Nolan fan I'd wager I'll probably even like it, but am I looking forward to it? Honestly, not much.

The Avengers, on the other hand, I'm more excited for than I've been for just about any film, ever. I don't know which movie will be better, but I damn sure know which one I'd rather see.

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