Why changing a character's race is disrespectful and insensitive

Why changing a character's race is disrespectful and insensitive

The upcoming Fantastic Four reboot has (in)famously cast black actor Michael B Jordan as Johnny Storm. It is the latest in a long string of characters that have been assigned a new race by creative teams in film or comics. Is this really just a problem for trolls and Fanboys or does it present a deeper issue to address?

Editorial Opinion
By Parkerluckpersonified - May 29, 2014 06:05 AM EST
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I am a Wally West fan; he is probably my favourite Flash and definitely my favourite KId Flash. I have pateiently read the New 52 'Teen Titans' and kept tabs on Flash issues waiting foir the character to be introduced. Finally he has made his grand entrance into the rebooted universe in the pages of The Flash... or has he? The character has been rebooted as a black teenager.

I read many comments at the time that argued this was not really a big deal, afterall racial diversity within comics should be a goal for which all publishers are striving. I fully agree with this mission and think that adding diversity of race, gender and sexual orientation can only have a posiitive role in broadening the horizons of the children who enjoy these comics.

My issue then, is this; if one changes any of these three characteristics, are we left with the same character we had before?

Let us take for example the character that, as I understand it, led the way in terms of changing race- Ultimate Nick Fury. If one compares this black Fury to the white one with which many older readers grew up, is he the same character? Of course not: he speaks differently, dresses differently and has a far greater competency on a basketball court than I ever remember Mr. Hasslehoff displaying. I would argue in fact that he is in fact a completely different (and far more interesting) character.

In fact I would argue that to change the race of a character and implying that he or she is exactly the same is insulting to members of each race. Lets look at Kitty Pryde: she is a strong Jewish female character. She embraces her race and religion and is proud of it. Recently she told a tale of how she lost interest in a boy who she overheard making anti-semetic comments and has worn a Star of David around her neck for a lot of her time in early Ultimate comics. Imagine now that Marvel rebooted her as a white middle class atheist. Would she be the same character? definitely not, her cultural identity is a crucial element to the development of her character.

Furthermore I would argue she is not alone in this: strong feelings of identity accompany belonging to any religious group, Muslim, Jewish or even mainstream Christian. Similarly there is a sense of pride and history that belongs to any race Black, Asian or yes even White.

I am British and so am shaped by British culture; I drink tea, am Christian, think the Beatles were genius and play rugby. I am proud of the contributions we have made to the development of the world and wich that we had acted differently in some historical periods (the crusades were not our finest hour). I  personally would be insulted if someone were to tell me that they were going to cast me as a Black American Muslim but they didn't expect it to change any important elements of my character as it belittles the influence of the culture with which I have grown up. In addition i would expect anyone who was black, American and/or Muslim to be offended at the thought that their culture would have little-to-no impact on a character.

We could search comics and debate examples of this all day: Ultimate Collosus is Gay, how does it effect his character when he no longer falls in love with Kitty? Nightcrawler is a homophobe and this completely alters their relationship.

Is there an alternative that does not belittle the impact of cultural identity? of course there is: be brave a create new characters. Look at Miles Morales. He is a completely different race to Peter Parker. He comes from a completly different socioeconomic background. His sexuality began as rather amibiguous. If Bendis had named him Peter Parker it would have been insulting to all this different markers of identity. But he didn't and the character has been (reluctantly) embraced as the best thing to come out of that universe post-Ultimatum.

Similarly 'Young Justice' featured a black Aqualad, Caldor, rather than  the traditional white character of Garth. Caldor was equally embraced as a character in his own right and is also a definite miss from the New 52.

So can Johnny Storm be black and the same character we know and love without belittling the sense of culture and history that comes with being black or white? I would say no. Could the Human Torch be given a  new black identity and still be embraced? Maybe.

What do you think?


Note- I have used the politically correct terms for races and religions as I understand them in the UK. I understand some of these terms may be different in eth USA and aplolgise for any offence or confusion this may cause.
 

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ManWithNoName
ManWithNoName - 5/29/2014, 6:42 AM
If the end result is a good movie then I don't mind.And the general audience who have no idea about the vast universe and history of comic book characters won't mind either. Not saying that Michael B Jordan will be great as the human torch, but that I won't judge until after I see it.
01928401
01928401 - 5/29/2014, 6:44 AM
That's the point of universes. No two characters from different universes are the same regardless of race, religion, or sexual preference. There is no issue, or there shouldn't be. Just different incarnations of characters.

Also, I'm going to have to disagree about the culture thing. No character should have to represent the exact culture of their race or nationality because that's just underlying racism. That's stereotyping. I'm a white, American atheist who has close black, Christian friends that act much like I do, at least in terms of major personality traits. I'm not trying to tell you what you probably already know, that people of different backgrounds can have similarities, but to say they must represent the exact culture of their background is ridiculous.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 5/29/2014, 6:57 AM
I actually don't mind. I just think a better black actor would have suited for Johnny Storm and i think the studio should have pushed there boundaries by having Susan Storm be black too, i mean why not go all out?

I'm trying to be optimistic for the reboot but i'm just unsure as to how it will turn out because i don't like the cast and i'm not sure if the director is capable of doing this film, the director has only done one film which was good but not amazing. What really annoy's me is that the team probably won't be called The Fantastic Four and i'm worried the film will be too grounded and too realistic which is the polar opposite of the Fantastic Four.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 5/29/2014, 7:04 AM
Also i do find this article to be offensive.

I mean how do you even watch: Thor, Man of Steel, Thor: The Dark World, Daredevil, X-men First Class?
Sumitsjc
Sumitsjc - 5/29/2014, 7:10 AM
Well I am honestly against about changing the Race of the Original character..for me it's disrespect to the original inspiration and most of to the Creator(well if creator wants that change then who am i to say anything).

But I still support it somehow if the outcome of that change comes in good way.

What they should do is Create a completely new Character as stated in article above.
This is my own opinion so if I hurts anyone's feeling then I am very sorry for that.
DEVLIN712
DEVLIN712 - 5/29/2014, 7:17 AM
I'm with @Pietro on this one. Different universes mean different characters (albeit with the same name/power). There are very few characters whose race is integral to the character.
I think more characters should have their races changed as it helps differentiate from the comics. I saw a pretty good article a while back about having a black JJ Jameson in the ASM movieverse.
Parkerluckpersonified
Parkerluckpersonified - 5/29/2014, 7:21 AM
Fair points, i wasn't trying to say that characters should embody cultural stereotypes (every time a 'British' character appears on an American cartoon i shudder a little)just that these cultures should and probably would have some impact on these characters and that trying to ignore that impact is unfair.

Mighty Zeus i don't understand your comment; are you referring to Heimdel in Thor being black? If so that's a fair point as I have to admit that one doesn't bother me at all; may be more because he's part of an alien culture than anything else, so expecting him to be effected by Earth's racial differences would seem unreasonable.

Daredevil being that Bullseye is Irish? i thought they did that quite well, starting him out there and importing him to the US. but yeah good point.

I don't understand your Man Of Steel one but I'm not as up on my pre-52 Superman as I maybe should be.
Pedrito
Pedrito - 5/29/2014, 7:21 AM
I don't care about a change of race, but I don't think it's something to be celebrated as if it were an accomplishment in the civil rights movement either.
BoomTubeB
BoomTubeB - 5/29/2014, 7:26 AM
I don't care! The rest of the cast of Fantabulous Four is kinda shitty! MBJ is a good actor! Marvel & DC need to use the black characters they already have instead of sweeping them under the rug!
Highflyer
Highflyer - 5/29/2014, 7:30 AM
I don't care tbh
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 5/29/2014, 7:31 AM
Its only a problem if you make it out to be. This article doesn't help at all. It only makes it worse. So.......in writing it you have contributed to the problem. Whats really stupid is people complaining about how he will be presented in the film. Its stupid......cause we haven't seen it yet! There just really isn't a good way to say what your trying to say....without coming off racist. I have seen so many people try. It just never sounds good. I dont think your racist, just that you took a lot of time to write something, and tried real hard to tell us how you feel, but in the end your still trying to reassure us. Thats why some things a better left alone.
Parkerluckpersonified
Parkerluckpersonified - 5/29/2014, 7:34 AM
Boomtube, good point i like that. Black panther movie or larger roles for Falcon/Warmachine in Avengers would be cool. Or one of the Green Lanterns that isn't Hal making a (confirmed) appearance in Justice.

I don't like Storm.... not really related but just chucking that out there haha.
Parkerluckpersonified
Parkerluckpersonified - 5/29/2014, 7:37 AM
Cheers Wyleejay for saying that very sensitively, i appreciate it. And yeah I sort of see what you mean :-) was going for a 'lets celebrate difference feel' and it can still come off as 'don't cast black guys' lol.
Klone
Klone - 5/29/2014, 7:41 AM
Making Wally black literally serves no purpose. In the films they at least have the excuse of promoting talented minority actors but in the comics there is no excuse... what's more, aside from not even resembling Wally, the personality is completely different and so is the costume...

So he doesn't look like Wally, probably doesn't sound like Wally would, doesn't wear the Kid Flash costume, doesn't even act like Wally in personality... at that point you have to question what is even the actual point of making this boy Wally? You could have made him an original character and no one would have went "hey, that's Wally, why is this a new character this should be Wally?!"

Mr. Terrific, Icon, Static, etc. I'd like add a few Asian characters to that list like from Arabian descent, areas in Asia or Hispanic but unfortunately having diversity in comics with minorities only seems to translate to = MOAR BLACK PPL! and ignoring the other minorities completely. I presume because there's no guilt with the majority.
Klone
Klone - 5/29/2014, 7:43 AM
Also, it's not racism. If you've know a character looking a certain way for your entire life, even if the writing in terms of personality are dead, if they are portrayed as a completely different ethnicity, people will have trouble associating with the same character they care for.
Parkerluckpersonified
Parkerluckpersonified - 5/29/2014, 7:46 AM
Thanks Klone, that was the point I was trying to make- why change the fundamentals of a character and then say he's the same? Just be brave, create an original character and if you are a decent writer that character will endure
CharlesLord
CharlesLord - 5/29/2014, 7:48 AM
i stopped readin after Ult Fury being more competent on a basketball court than white fury comment
01928401
01928401 - 5/29/2014, 7:49 AM
@Parkerluckpersonified
He's referring to the fact that Kingpin was black in Daredevil and Perry White is black in Man Of Steel. Those two, along with Heimdall, do not portray the stereotypical black people it seems you wish they'd portray to prevent a lack of respect to the culture. I get that you said Heimdall wasn't affected by Earth culture because he's not from Earth, but that's something you need to consider. Maybe none of these characters were raised in the cultural environments you think they should portray.
sKeemAn
sKeemAn - 5/29/2014, 7:50 AM
I honestly believe it depends on the character. With certain characters race is apart of who they are there history and culture and why they do what they do. Knowing the history of someone like Johnny Storm, had he been black from the beginning I truly don't believe that would have changed the character very much.

Now what I don't understand is when a white character is played by black actor in a cbm there is an uproar in the cbm community. But if an American character is played by an Irish, or British actor know makes a sound. Its still a race change, but as long as he's white its ok. (No offense to Irish or Brits)
GizmoEl
GizmoEl - 5/29/2014, 7:57 AM
I don't think switching up a characters race or culture is a big deal unless the character's personality and storyline have direct ties to a certain culture or race.

Take Black Panther for example. That's one character that you could never turn white or Hispanic. The man is from Africa and people would be in an uproar if he was turned white.

On the other hand, take Peter Parker. As far as I know his personality and characterization has nothing to do with him being a white guy living in NYC. His defining characteristics is that he's a genius, very witty, had to deal with many losses, etc. but none of that is race specific. So they could very well potentially change the race of Parker.

In the end, while I think it's better to create new characters (Kamala Khan as ms. Marvel), I think it's just easier for them to change an already existing character because building a new character with a new fanbase might be tougher. It's the easy option for them I guess. Plus if you change the race of a white character to black, the ratio is altered much faster than if you constantly just add new racially diverse characters to a pool of white male superheroes.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 5/29/2014, 7:59 AM
Exactly. No Russian accent for Colossus, or Irish accent for Banshee. They drop Storms accent after X men 1. The X men are international. Thats the way their supposed to be. Not all American.
UltimateCookie
UltimateCookie - 5/29/2014, 8:02 AM
The reason changing a character's race is such a big deal is because comic book purists want to go to the movies and see an exact play-by-play of something they've already read. So of course when they leave the theater they'll have SOMETHING to complain about. "Spider-Man latches onto this EXACT building in the comics!" Who cares? Really? Casting someone of a different race in a movie is a creative decision but at the end of the day if I'm happy with how the character is portrayed I have no complaints. It truly doesn't matter in an animated series even less than it matters on the big-screen. The changing of a character's race is an opportunity for the old-fashioned to show their true colors. If you have a problem with the casting because you don't think MBJ has the acting chops then fine but as of right now I think he'll crush it.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 5/29/2014, 8:03 AM
Racism stems from people not being able to associate with something different. Since they can't associate, paranoia and fear turns to anger. So if you grew up liking a super hero that was white, and you could associate with that character, but then they change the character in another form of media, and you stop liking that character because of it, you...may...be...racist. Doesn't make you a bad person, just someone who needs to open their eyes a bit and embrace new things.
Parkerluckpersonified
Parkerluckpersonified - 5/29/2014, 8:05 AM
Pietro I wasn't so much going for stereotypes, though i can see where you get that from my article- references to drinking tea and the basketball thing were meant to add a bit of humour in there. The main point was supposed to be that ideally we should all take pride in our heritage and culture; whether that be race or religion and that perhaps changing that and saying that a character is 'the same' is disrespectful of that.

And also I am getting my mind changed a bit here lol and agree that it perhaps depends very much on a character-to-character basis.

I think the issue with what I'm saying is a question of how you could represent that pride WITHOUT characters coming off as a stereotype or coming across racist.

so i guess i am saying fair point commenty people. fair point :-P
Klone
Klone - 5/29/2014, 8:05 AM
Kingpin and Perry being portrayed as black people are things I have no issue with because the characters are the same. This Wally looks different but acts different too and wears some weird new silver suit.

@sofo

Does that particulary matter? This drastically different and is different in personality too. If they wanted to introduce a black person of that age into Flash's stories why not Virgil Hawkins? Great character and being a metahuman, he fits right into Flash's mythos!
Klone
Klone - 5/29/2014, 8:06 AM
I don't dislike the New 52 Wally as a character, I dislike that he's meant to be Wally because he may as well be an original character. It's not about disliking what's there itself, it's disliking what it's suppose to be. In this case, Wally West.
sKeemAn
sKeemAn - 5/29/2014, 8:08 AM
@wyleejay

You just called half the people on this site a racist. You should watch your back!! lol!
tvor03
tvor03 - 5/29/2014, 8:10 AM
Let's get one thing straight about the Human Torch.

This guy is iconic



This guy isn't



Yes, they're the same character. But when people think of the Human Torch, they think of the guy covered in flames. The general audience doesn't care about what the person playing Johnny Storm looks like as long as he turns into fire and burns bad guys with it. And when Johnny Storm is Flame On, you can't tell if he's black, white, Asian, Hispanic, etc.
Klone
Klone - 5/29/2014, 8:11 AM
Is it really hard to realize that some character some people like to remain visually similar to what has come before and to want the actual characters in personality bear some semblance to what also what has come before? Why has it always got to be turned into "Group A are racist and think Group B are inferior because of their skin. Group A are bad because of this"?
Parkerluckpersonified
Parkerluckpersonified - 5/29/2014, 8:12 AM
Wyleejay, again fair point but as I say i have no problem reading/watching a black (or any other race) human torch, spider-man, flash or whoever, I was just contesting the idea that the character should still be Johnny, Peter, Wally etc. Much like the Aqualad example- i love Caldor but if he had been called Garth would i have had an issue? mebs :-P
GizmoEl
GizmoEl - 5/29/2014, 8:13 AM
@wyleejay I don't know if that would actually make someone racist though. Like if a young black kid reads about the falcon or watches cap2 and identifies with mackies falcon, would the kid be called racist if falcon was turned white and the kid couldn't relate to him any longer?

I think it's natural for people to identify with people of a similar race to themselves. I'm a Pakistani Muslim American born and raised in New Jersey. I didn't identify with any racially similar superheroes growing up because there were none for me. The one I most strongly related to was Peter Parker, mostly because his identity had nothing to do with race. And I didn't identify with him because of his race, I identified with him because of his struggles. It would be easier, I think, if a character was a similar race as me because I could imagine us going through similar situations. TSA ain't gonna bother Peter Parker but they sure as hell put me in interrogation. I think a lot of people growing up look up to people similar to them so that they can ask "what would soandso do?"
Parkerluckpersonified
Parkerluckpersonified - 5/29/2014, 8:13 AM
.... I like you Klone... I think you get me. lets do lunch haha
Parkerluckpersonified
Parkerluckpersonified - 5/29/2014, 8:17 AM
Thanks Gizmo, good point.

So as an American born Pakistani Muslim would you rather read about a new character from that background who was influenced by his Pakistani culture and Muslim beliefs; or would you rather we said 'Johnny is a Muslim now, but it's not going to change anything'?

Personally I'd much prefer the prior as I'd find it more interesting to read.
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