Is Ridley Scott Right About The Dangers Of Giving Big Movies To Indie Directors?

Is Ridley Scott Right About The Dangers Of Giving Big Movies To Indie Directors?

Veteran director Ridley Scott recently talked about the value of experience when making a movie in a giant franchise, and how giving these films to inexperienced directors can cost studios a lot of money.

Editorial Opinion
By jph152 - Dec 30, 2017 11:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Star Wars
Source: Vulture
2017 was a very productive year for Ridley Scott. First, Alien: Covenant was released in May, followed by Blade Runner 2049, which he produced. With All the Money in the World out in theatres now, Scott has been doing a media tour to promote his movie, and he's been pretty candid with his answers.
 
When asked if Lucasfilm has ever offered him a Star Wars movie, his response was pretty honest. Scott says he's "too dangerous for that" and laughed that this is because he knows what he's doing.
 
He elaborates, saying, "When you get a guy who’s done a low-budget movie and you suddenly give him $180 million, it makes no sense whatsoever. It’s f**kin' stupid. You know what the reshoots cost?"
 
So from the sounds of it, Scott won't do a Star Wars movie because he's too expensive and likes to be in control. His comments about how experience is important when making a massive movie like this are relevant here, especially when considering the Hollywood trend of giving indie directors the keys to huge franchises. This happened with Colin Trevorrow and Taika Waititi with Jurassic World and Thor, respectively. It's clear that this can work out pretty well sometimes, and completely backfire other times. Scott recommends a gradual approach, saying:
 
"Grow into it, little by little. Start low-budget, get a little bit bigger, maybe after $20 million, you can go to $80. But don’t suddenly go to $160."
 
When looking at how Lucasfilm replaced Phil Lord and Chris Miller with Ron Howard for Solo: A Star Wars Story, the studio seemed to be biting the bullet by hiring an experienced, and therefore expensive, director that they thought could salvage the movie. However, Lord and Miller aren't exactly newcomers to big-budget productions. The pair went from working on various sitcoms to a $100,000,000 animated movie, Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs.



 

From there, Lord and Miller went on to direct the $42,000,000 21 Jump Street reboot, and its bigger-budget sequel, and The Lego Movie. While Solo was a significantly bigger movie than anything they had previously worked on, the pair had more experience than other directors who had successfully navigated the waters of franchise filmmaking. 
 
Trevorrow is another interesting example, since he made the leap from indies like Safety Not Guaranteed to a Steven Spielberg-produced Jurassic Park sequel. Jurassic World was generally well received by fans and critics and raked in a record-breaking amount of money on its opening weekend. While Trevorrow found immediate success with his first big-budget movie, things got a bit more tricky with his next attempt. The director quickly fell out of favor with Lucasfilm after The Book of Henry flopped both critically and commercially. While there is no official confirmation that the two events are related, it's a notable coincidence. After Trevorrow left Episode IX, J.J. Abrams was brought on board to end the latest Star Wars trilogy in a way studio executives could bank on. 
 
So can you call an indie director's success with a big-budget franchise a fluke? Well maybe in some instances, but it's unfair to say these directors only get big movies because studios think they'll do what they're told. After all, that didn't work out well for Lucasfilm with Lord and Miller. There's another reason why I think indie filmmakers are so attractive to studios, and that's their storytelling ability. If a director can do more with less, shouldn't they be able to also do more with more? Unsurprisingly, it depends on the director. 
 
Taika Waititi is also an independent filmmaker, but one whose style is essential to what makes him a good director. Marvel wouldn't have hired Waititi to direct Thor: Ragnarok if they wanted him to just follow the MCU formula. Cases like this make it pretty difficult to put all independent filmmakers under the same blanket. While some of Scott's concerns are valid, studios can certainly be justified in hiring indie directors to direct tentpole movies. However, the studio also has to know what they're getting into when they take this risk, and it looks like Lucasfilm is having a hard time with that part of the deal.
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VictorKrueger
VictorKrueger - 12/30/2017, 9:12 PM
It all depends on the director. Some directors have a solid vision. Studios just have to be very careful with their selections.
Fogs
Fogs - 12/31/2017, 3:55 AM
@411IDSigo - I guess it has pros and cons, as most things:

Pro: new, fresh vision, making innovation possible
Con: being a “yes man”, not standing by his views - and I have the impression that’s precisely what studios want sometimes.
TanukiTrooper
TanukiTrooper - 12/31/2017, 4:37 PM
@Fogs - I see it more as a case as Marvel wanting to guide newcomers. It seems like the studio knows what it's doing on the tech side and would probably have crew members that offer suggestions to a young director on the best way to tackle a problem. So the director can just concentrate on shaping the film the way they would a lower budget one.

Where I get the impression with Lucasfilm, that the crew all wait for the director to tell them what to do. Which would be overwhelming for an indie director making their first big title. This would be why everyone whinged and complained about the Chris Miller and Phil Lord behind their backs and Kathleen Kennedy just fired the directors for not knowing what they were doing.

And personally, I feel like someone should have stepped it and cut out some of the fat from the Last Jedi. There were some scenes that didn't serve the plot whatsoever and felt like they were just there because Johnson couldn't bear to let them go. It may have had the longest run time in the series, but it really didn't need to be.
Fogs
Fogs - 1/1/2018, 6:44 AM
@TanukiTrooper - sounds about right. Probably something like that.
Hardfelt
Hardfelt - 12/30/2017, 9:14 PM
There are compelling arguments for and against this thesis. On the face of it, it makes sense, for the technical skill required to make a movie does not necessitate that you can make an expensive one, but it does show a skill at making movies, nonetheless. At this point, it comes down to the more ethereal power of managing the process. Being across all of the technical aspects of filmmaking ensures success when the budget increases. That said, I'm sure that this idea is a furphy and an easy byline for explaining a studio failure. Artistic vision is what more often than not leads to the parting of company between producers and directors, rather than any issues around costs.
R2D2Darknight
R2D2Darknight - 12/30/2017, 10:29 PM
everything in tlj was done right (cgi,cinematography) all except for that horrible screenwriting ugh, and lack of oversight that especially this franchise needed. where is this supposed star wars guru?!?!?
DENNISsystem
DENNISsystem - 12/30/2017, 10:44 PM
Glass houses Ridley....
Kozmik
Kozmik - 12/31/2017, 10:19 AM
@DENNISsystem - Really. You'd think he wasn't the person–despite his many years of experience–mangling the Alien franchise beyond all recognition.

Heck, Scott is like the Zach Snyder of franchise film making (No doubt he's talented, but just don't have him have anything to do with the 'big picture' stuff. Let them direct, but leave the writing and oversight to more capable people).
DENNISsystem
DENNISsystem - 12/31/2017, 10:56 AM
@Kozmik - I completely agree. I mean, it kinda sounds like sour grapes because covenant was so bad and everyone is saying how much they wanted the Neill Blomkamp continuation.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 12/30/2017, 11:59 PM
It really depends.

If you take a really talented and skilled and smart indie director (and those are all different qualities), who has a good head for management, then I doubt there's going to be all that much of a problem going from 20 to 160 million dollar budgets. There's definitely a learning curve, but as long as the director has reasonably competent producers around her, it's definitely manageable.

And then you have a studio like Marvel, that operates much more like a massive TV studio, where this existing mechanism of writers, producers, concept artists, set dressers, make-up people, and actors (and likely all the way down to grips) exist sort of separate from any individual director's influence. In that context, even a relatively inexperienced director may find that gaps in her abilities are being covered by the people who have already done this before. (And that can sometimes be a bad thing, if those studio stopgaps aren't actually all that good at their jobs, or are working across purposes, as sometimes happens.)

And then there are people like Tim Miller who had never directed a feature film in his life, but was easily capable of jumping into the deep end because he'd worked on these studio films before in an effects context and had a deep understanding of how to make them feel as spectacular as they should. Sort of the "ultimate non-indie". Because he had a basic creative understanding of story, character, plot, pacing, and all that on top of that technical skill, I'd wager the guy could have handled a film with a 300 million dollar budget on a first try (again, so long as there wasn't significant static in the studio infrastructure).

I mean... the truth is, there is no real answer. Each case is different. Each director is different. Each project is different. Is it better to gain experience through incremental steps? For most people, yes. Are there some people who have no business around a big budget studio film no matter how many times they've made Cannes cream their jeans? Absolutely.

Asturgis
Asturgis - 12/31/2017, 6:59 AM
@Spock0Clock - "I doubt there's going to be all that much of a problem going from 20 to 160 million dollar budgets."

Honestly, the only difference in scope is knowing how to handle more/better gear, means and people (and they have a crew to help and do most of it), have the mind to imagine the half of everything that will be VFX (and is hence completely abstract), and deal with diva actors and more pressure/stakeholders. All in all, I'm not sure there's a huge difference, only a technical one and knowing one's limits. Or you end-up with impossible scenes that look visually horrible because the director wanted them, but didn't know if it could be done properly. "We'll do it in post". [frick] that. If it's not perfect now, it never will be.

So, to sum it up, I don't think it has anything to do with vision, but logistics. Knowing and having the skill to handle more people, equipment, and know what you can and can't do with your budget. Kinda like a caterer. I know it sounds a silly example, but a good caterer that does a big beautiful wedding flawlessly can do a festival 100 times bigger. More logistics, more pressure, more people, but it's doable.
AC1
AC1 - 12/31/2017, 12:04 AM
I think he's looking at it with a warped perspective. I think what the studios are actually doing is still trying to replicate the success WB had with Batman Begins and it's sequels after hiring Christopher Nolan, who was a relative unknown at the time.

He brought his sensibilities to the table and made a big budget movie that became a critical and commercial success, and the follow up was extraordinarily successful. Of course the other studios are gonna try to do the same - indie directors take more risks and have more personality, which is what audiences wanna see. Having said that, yes there is also the fact that many (but not all) of them are easily pressured by the studios which would also be appealing to the suits.

But his comments about money don't really make sense. Sure, reshoots cost money, but the fee to hire a newbie vs a director with the same status and experience as Ridley would cost way more overall. Plus, reshoots aren't an exclusive trait of newer directors, even experienced ones have done them (to a lesser degree perhaps), it's a normal part of the filmmaking process, especially in big budget, effects driven blockbusters that rely so much more on what happens in the editing room to get a complete picture of what the final product will be.
baszs
baszs - 12/31/2017, 5:21 AM
@AC1 - I believe even Ridley himself went over budget when he was a youngster when he made Blade Runner
AC1
AC1 - 12/31/2017, 7:58 AM
@baszs - I think he just feels happiest when he's complaining about something :P
boiling
boiling - 12/31/2017, 12:23 AM
Only thing right about that guy is that he‘s [frick]ing senile. What did Covenant cost? What did he do with hundreds of millions of dollars? Gay Androids playing flute together. Incredible.
DaLaBrAcK
DaLaBrAcK - 12/31/2017, 12:49 AM
@boiling - I'm sorry to tell you that this comment has actually made me marginally more interested in actually seeing Covenant, if only to see what the poop you are talking about
Ryuzaki
Ryuzaki - 12/31/2017, 12:49 AM
Bullshit. Say that to James Gunn or Gareth Edwards.
MUTO123
MUTO123 - 12/31/2017, 1:04 AM
It depends on the director and the circumstances.
528491
528491 - 12/31/2017, 1:08 AM
For every Josh Trank struggling on Fantastic Four you've got a James Gunn flowing effortlessly onto Guardians of the Galaxy.

Either way it's anecdotal evidence at best, and given that Ridley Scott has seemingly lost his touch when it comes to the big budget movies, he's probably better off keeping quiet.
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 12/31/2017, 5:10 AM
Let me know when ridley Scott makes another good movie haven’t seen one of those in a long time .... A good ridley Scott movie not a good movie, I see plenty of good movies & Ridley Scott directed none of them none of them .
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 12/31/2017, 6:20 AM
The last film I liked by him was American Gangster
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