Director Renny Harlin Reveals His Fascinating Versions of Alien 3 That Were Never Made

Director Renny Harlin Reveals His Fascinating Versions of Alien 3 That Were Never Made

In an exclusive interview with Crave Online, the director of two of my favorite action movies Cliffhanger and Die Hard 2 opened up about what went wrong with Alien 3.

By nailbiter111 - Aug 19, 2011 06:08 AM EST
Filed Under: Sci-Fi
Source: www.craveonline.com



CraveOnline: Fair enough. You were on Alien 3 for a really long time.
Renny Harlin: Yeah.


CraveOnline: And you left because it wasn’t what you wanted. What did you want from Alien 3. I’ve always been curious about this.
Renny Harlin: Okay, that’s a good question. And I think you can imagine how, as a young filmmaker, I’m only 28 years old, I had made Nightmare on Elm Street 4, which got a very good critical reception and a huge box office reception, and all of a sudden I’m being offered movies by Spielberg and everybody in town. And I’m a huge fan of course of Ridley Scott and James Cameron, and then I’m offered Alien 3. And I think, this is a fantastic opportunity. I get my office on the Fox lot in Hollywood, and there I am, and I literally have to pinch myself when I’m sitting in my office. I’m on a studio lot, I’m 28 and I’m making this giant movie. I can’t believe. And at the same time I’m really scared, because I feel that if I make a movie that is just a copy of the previous ones and just adds a little firepower or something, I’m going to be a laughing stock. I’m just going to be compared to the previous directors and they’re going to say that I’m an idiot. So I feel huge pressure [to do] something smart. And so I work on it for a few months, and I develop first one idea which was that this movie was going to take place on the planet where the aliens are actually from. So basically my pitch to the studio was, let’s look at aliens like ants. They are ants, and somewhere is the anthill. And now we’re going to travel to the anthill to find out, really, what are they all about? And who knows? Maybe they’re not really evil to begin with. Maybe it’s just a mechanism of survival that they are demonstrating. It would be really interesting – and obviously you’d have an action-packed thriller – but it would be really interesting to me to go to their origins and make this alien origin story. And then they reject that and say people don’t want to see that…


CraveOnline: I would have wanted to see that.
Renny Harlin: Me too! I don’t understand to this day why they didn’t buy it. And the second one was, I know you remember that we’re talking like ’88, ’89, so this is before Jurassic Park and movies like that, so I say… Okay, then I have another idea. Let the aliens come on Earth. Picture Middle America, a cornfield, and the aliens are going through the cornfield toward the farmhouse. And they’re just like, “Eh, no, people won’t like it. It’s a science fiction movie, it has to take place in outer space. People won’t buy it if they come to Earth. We don’t like it.” So I just get more and ore depressed because they don’t like my ideas, and then they come up with this idea… And none of these people work at the studio anymore […] so there’s no one to really blame… They want to tell the story about a prison spaceship where the aliens come. And they say it’s contained, and that’s how it should be, and I say, I don’t get it. The audience isn’t going to relate to a bunch of prisoners. They’re prisoners, they’re all bad guys, and no matter what you do it’s just going to be this dark story, and what’s so great about the previous ones, is that the first one was basically about truck drivers and the second one there’s a little kid and so on, it’s like a mission movie. So go back and forth, and finally they are adamant about it, and one day I just look at it and say, “You know, I honestly can’t make this because I don’t believe in it. I don’t think I’m going to make a good movie.” And I quit, and it was a scary thing to do, after having worked on it for at least a year, but I had no idea what my future was going to be and who was going to hire me, and I just had to trust my gut instinct. Do I quit? And then the next day, the same studio, Fox, offered me [The Adventures of] Ford Fairlane and subsequently Die Hard 2, and all those things happened. But it was a tricky time in my life, and then the interesting thing was that then David Fincher was hired to do it, and they did the prison planet, and while David Fincher was a genius filmmaker, even he couldn’t squeeze out a movie that would satisfy people, and the franchise took a real hit at the point. And David Fincher took a real hit, and it wasn’t until he went on to do Seven that he sort of got out of that situation. But it’s just one of those things where you just gotta follow your instincts. And sometimes, to be honest, I wish that I had done that more in my career. Sometimes you [just] want to work, you’re frustrated because you can’t get a project off the ground, and you end up doing something that is maybe not the perfect thing for you to.




Not sure if I like Renny Harlin's two pitches. I know I sure as hell would've like to have seen those more than David Fincher's Alien 3. Renny is spot on, it's hard to relate to the prisoners in the film, at times I was rooting for the alien more then the humans. Heck they are prisoners, I'm not gonna shed a tear that society lost a few scumbags.

Now on the flipside Renny Harlin isn't exactly Martin Scorcese. He is Mr. hit or miss. And to be honest more miss then hit. Cutthroat Island and Driven are some of the worst movies I've ever seen. I think viewing Cutthroat Island gave me a venereal disease, but I'm not positive on that.

Follow the link below to read the full article that features a Rise of the Planet of the Apes comparison to Harlin's Deep Blue Sea. And Renny explains why he became the second director on box office failure, The Exorcist: The Beginning.
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StrangerX
StrangerX - 8/19/2011, 7:07 AM
Ants huh!!
nuck82
nuck82 - 8/19/2011, 7:15 AM
ill be over here >>>>>>>
not caring ; )
Fantine
Fantine - 8/19/2011, 7:24 AM
This is old, if you have the Alien Anthology on Blu ray this is all in the commentary, and extras.
VictorHugo
VictorHugo - 8/19/2011, 7:26 AM
I love the ALIEN3 soundtrack.
hippopotamusprime
hippopotamusprime - 8/19/2011, 7:40 AM
Am I the only one who liked Cutthroat Island? Jeesh, I know it was supposed to be bad, but it wasn't that bad.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 8/19/2011, 7:48 AM
i would have liked to see the alien homeworld.

@ strangerx

why does that sound so weird? just look at them in Aliens. They have a hive caste. A queen and drones. They are ants. just aliens. lol
Spock
Spock - 8/19/2011, 7:54 AM
I would of loved the origin early on. Beside the had Charles Dillion on the planet in a Prison, so why do that again?

Bill Paxton was a RIOT in aliens 2.
Aaesir
Aaesir - 8/19/2011, 8:06 AM
This is old news, but for the record, I happen to like the Fincher Alien film. It wasn't perfect, but it definitely was entertaining and made sense.
StrangerX
StrangerX - 8/19/2011, 8:06 AM
@CDB- Never said it was weird I just never thought of them as ants.
BackwardGalaxy
BackwardGalaxy - 8/19/2011, 8:07 AM
Alien 3 gets a ton of crap, but it's not a terrible movie. AvP and AvP2 are terrible movies. There's a very very very wide gap between those disasters and Alien 3.
Spock
Spock - 8/19/2011, 8:19 AM
AvP 2 crap, 1 not so much!
Spock
Spock - 8/19/2011, 8:23 AM
U know i Just thought of the 1st AVP how they showed the scene with the Predators on top of the Pyramids -temples with all the Aliens climbing to get them. Wow didnt' see that coming!
Rodimus9
Rodimus9 - 8/19/2011, 8:30 AM
@spock-That's Charles s. Dutton

I thought #3 was decent. Prison preacher dutton was dumb and making her have an alien in her almost ended the franchise. Thank god for DNA samples!!

The alien homeworld idea sounds cool, but I think Prometheus will do a better job with the origin/home planet thing.
Caedus137
Caedus137 - 8/19/2011, 8:31 AM
The ironic thing is that those two ideas HAVE actually now been realised. The Aliens came to present day Earth / "Middle America" in AVP2, and Ridley Scott is currently shooting the Origin story in Prometheus...
Incidentally, Alien 3 is actually my favourite Alien film...
Spock
Spock - 8/19/2011, 9:08 AM
I thought Aliens 2 was the best!
Thanks Rodimus9
ICStoopedPeople
ICStoopedPeople - 8/19/2011, 9:20 AM
I think he had some fantastic ideas (would have preferred his second idea though).

Alien 3 is not a bad movie, but it's definitely not my favorite of the Alien movies (#2 ftw!).
aaronite1999
aaronite1999 - 8/19/2011, 9:26 AM
See, we all *think* we would love to see the Aliens on their "homeworld", but we also thought we wanted to see the creation of Darth Vader, so it really is a matter of "be careful what you wish for".

One bad movie featuring the homeworld, and that's it - it's all ruined. At least Alien 3 was about Ripley taking out the "last" Alien.

Besides, what would parasites do on a homeworld, complain that there are no humans?

I personally prefer the idea that the Aliens were engineered/created as a vicious form of terraforming.
Abu
Abu - 8/19/2011, 9:32 AM
Alien and Aliens are by far the best in the series.

1>2 though as that is a classic sci-fi movie with a great story and suspense throughout.
AlexDeLarge87
AlexDeLarge87 - 8/19/2011, 9:37 AM
Harlin is a director who has a vision but sometimes he dont know how to use it and sometimes he just has very very bad luck. Cliffhanger, The Long Kiss Goodnight, Nightmare on Elm Street 4 and Die Hard 2 are his best works.
Cutthroat Island, Driven, Cleaner, Deep Blue Sea, Mindhunters, The Exorcist: Beginning, 12 Rounds and his debuts Prison and Born American. All were good ideas but ended up being half decent.
AlexDeLarge87
AlexDeLarge87 - 8/19/2011, 9:39 AM
Cleaner is his best bad movie.
Rodimus9
Rodimus9 - 8/19/2011, 11:29 AM
Alien still freaks me the f*ck out if I watch it alone in the dark. I would be so bold as to say easily the best scifi horror flick ever.
SpiderFan35
SpiderFan35 - 8/19/2011, 11:53 AM
Fortunately every Alien related film after number 3 was awesome....bwahaha.
LuBeTHiGhWalK3R
LuBeTHiGhWalK3R - 8/19/2011, 12:04 PM
@Caedus137 -- Really? Alien 3 is your favorite Alien movie? Whatever blows your skirt up I guess...
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 8/19/2011, 10:15 PM
What's weird is since Aliens 3 David Fincher went on the become one of the best directors in the world.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 8/19/2011, 10:25 PM
And Harlin isn't really hit or miss these days, he hasn't made a passable movie since the mid 90's. Among his shite fest of movies are 12 Rounds, Deep Blue Sea and The Covenant; I wonder if he thought going into those three that he was able to make a good movie?
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