Editorial: Why Spider-Man 3 Failed.

Editorial: Why Spider-Man 3 Failed.

It's not the reasons you might think

Editorial Opinion
By FlashGordon2287 - Aug 18, 2010 06:08 PM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man

Many critics and fans agree Spider-Man 3 is the weakest of the trilogy. I thinks its OK. It's not the worst thing I've ever seen (Vampires Suck) but it is still bad in many ways. Today I'm gonna explain why I think it failed.

#1: It didn't grow in terms of villainy.
Spider-Man's rouges gallery mainly consists of B, C, and D listers with the only two A listers being the Green Goblin and Doc Ock. I say that because Ock and Gobby have affected Peter's regular life and Spidey's life. Venom is somewhere in the middle of B and C. He was really cool in the beginning then he became shoved into every Marvel book, then they made him a Punisher like character. He just became muddled. In terms of storytelling, he really just appeared for a few minutes being easily taken out. Its one thing I hope they learn from with the new Reboot that they should do a Batman Begins. Starting small and making its way to the big picture.

#2 That Dance Scene.
You know it. I know it. The world will never forget Peter dancing. I justify it sort of by saying, the Symbiote feeds off rage. It turns Brock into a monster and Peter into an emo. There's something funny about how good Peter is.
Many people often forget the raindrops keep falling on my head scene from Spider-Man 2 and how no one really complained about that scene. The thing is the dancing scene is not meant to be taken seriously. I have met people who think it was serious. The women were appalled by him and walked away but the problem with that scene is that it lasts too long. If they trimmed it it would have been quick and no one would have thought twice.

#3: Underdevelopment.
No one really gets a resolution in this film. The ending is kinda ambiguous as to what happens next. Harry dies to soon, Sandman never really saves his daughter, No one asks about Brock and its all left in the open.

#4: It's too cluttered. To me this film is like a 5 year old playing with his Spider-man and Sandman toy then pulling his Goblin toy out of his toy chest then getting bored then pulling out a Venom toy. There is too much and like I said there is no real motivation or resolution for certain characters.

All in all Spider-Man 3 is a 3/5 film, and hopefully this reboot can learn a lot and who knows it could be better. Until then.

See ya.

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Destroyer14
Destroyer14 - 8/18/2010, 7:05 PM
Spider-Man 3 did not fail. It succeeded.
FlashGordon2287
FlashGordon2287 - 8/18/2010, 7:22 PM
@Destroyer is that sarcasm?
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 8/18/2010, 7:38 PM
it succeeded at making a shit load of money. but failed at being a good movie.

unfortunately, the amount of money a movie makes has no baring what so ever on how good it is...
FlashGordon2287
FlashGordon2287 - 8/18/2010, 7:46 PM
@Corndog oh yeah hell Vampires Suck is gonna make money but my review called it a blight on cinema.
NERO
NERO - 8/18/2010, 8:30 PM
It was a blight on cinema, Flash. Good call brother. It does prove that the rush factor to see a film on its opening weekend can feed the box office of truly shitty films.
JasonBlue
JasonBlue - 8/18/2010, 8:33 PM
Lets not forget Topher Grace.
FlashGordon2287
FlashGordon2287 - 8/18/2010, 8:49 PM
@Jason I dont like Topher Grace that much but he didnt really annoy me that much here because he was underused.
NERO
NERO - 8/18/2010, 9:24 PM
I've always loved the term cinematic abortion, but never get to use it very often. I think it fits here pretty well.
FlashGordon2287
FlashGordon2287 - 8/18/2010, 9:33 PM
@Nero Lol
TheBoxOfficeWatchmen
TheBoxOfficeWatchmen - 8/18/2010, 11:17 PM
Haha I agree with all the points and all, but it looked like you got more and more tired with each paragraph... each paragraph is shorter than the one before it =)

Also, it's subjective, but I don't think Venom is a "B or C" list villain. They botched Venom in the movie, but in the comics, he's one of the best villains IMO.

Venom was ranked as the 22nd Greatest Comic Book Villain of All Time in IGN's list of the top 100 comic villains,[6] 33rd on Empire's 50 Greatest Comic Book Characters,[7] and was ranked as the 98th Greatest Comic Book Character Ever in Wizard Magazine's 200 Greatest Comic Book Characters of all Time list


A lot of other opinions in agreement
FlashGordon2287
FlashGordon2287 - 8/18/2010, 11:28 PM
@TheBoxOfficeWatchmen I was actually writing this at like 5 am so yeah I was tired.
TheBoxOfficeWatchmen
TheBoxOfficeWatchmen - 8/18/2010, 11:29 PM
I think it suffered from having too many conflicts/premises for the protagonist. Usually, you have one main hurdle for your hero:

Iron Man: You must correct the wrongs you created
Batman Begins: If you fail, you try again
The Dark Knight: Stay within your limits or suffer Spider-man: With great power...
Spider-man 2: Sometimes we have to give up what we want most to do what's right

Spider-man 3:
1. You can choose to be the best version of yourself
2. Don't live with revenge; You should forgive
3. Humility
4. Selflessness


Just too many journeys for Peter
NERO
NERO - 8/18/2010, 11:34 PM
After actually paying to see Spider-Man 3 I felt like the chick on the left in this video. Ooooh, the indignity pilled on top of indignity.

They'll never get that smell out. Eeeegghhh
FlashGordon2287
FlashGordon2287 - 8/18/2010, 11:59 PM
@Nero HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh my god that is so funny.
marvel72
marvel72 - 8/19/2010, 3:15 AM
maybe venom on his own would of been better.

& less cringe worthly scenes,peter parker,aunt may & mary jane all had scenes where i could of puked up.

@ nero

nasty,funny but nasty. :D hahahahahaha!
FlashGordon2287
FlashGordon2287 - 8/19/2010, 3:24 AM
@deadpool I think you would need a different director entirely for Venom because Raimi has a passionate hate for Venom. Which I'm totally with. and yeah certain scenes featuring Peter,MJ and May were pretty repetitive.
Denn1s
Denn1s - 8/19/2010, 4:57 AM
i actually really liked sm3. but it could have been better
TheLonelyComicBookNerd
TheLonelyComicBookNerd - 8/19/2010, 9:21 AM
It could have been better:
More screen time for venom
Harry wore the actual goblin suit
No unnecessary dance scenes
Sandman wasn't uncle bens killer.
FlashGordon2287
FlashGordon2287 - 8/19/2010, 8:03 PM
@scott
I have to disagree with everything.

no venom (he sucks and thats another film in itself)
a new goblin suit would have been better
if there are dance scenes make it quick
give sandman a resolution.
SupermanReturns2
SupermanReturns2 - 8/21/2010, 11:16 PM
Spiderman 3 was horsebleep because it had too many prime characters that called for too much development; Gwen Stacy, Harry as the New Goblin, Sandman, Venom, and Dr. Connors, all could have been used in future stories. The one story that could have been great for Spidey 3 would have been Dr. Connors becoming The Lizard. After dealing with that, Harry could have become New Goblin in Spidey 4, and at the same time introducing Gwen. Sandman could have turned up in S5, and Venom in the last film. Even if you don't make six films, you can end one film introducing another character as a cliffhanger, like the old serials.
Whiteharted
Whiteharted - 8/26/2010, 12:01 PM
NO NO NO Venom is AN A LISTER!(Well Eddie Brock, not stupid Mac Gargan) And Spidey 3 failed for more reasons then that another one being that it was almost a parody rather than a series film, and lets not forget a MASSIVE flaw that everyone seems to ingore: Sandman's roars.
continuezero
continuezero - 8/27/2010, 1:52 PM
"To me this film is like a 5 year old playing with his Spider-man and Sandman toy then pulling his Goblin toy out of his toy chest then getting bored then pulling out a Venom toy. There is too much and like I said there is no real motivation or resolution for certain characters."

One of the best analogies I've seen...thumbs up Flashgordon.
Whiteharted
Whiteharted - 8/28/2010, 12:42 PM
Well why would anyone only play with a Venom toy if thier broad? Venom the BEST! What you should have said is:"To me this film is like a 5 year old playing with his Spider-man and VENOM toy then pulling his Goblin toy out of his toy chest then getting bored then pulling out a Sandman toy"
FlashGordon2287
FlashGordon2287 - 8/29/2010, 5:14 PM
I said it in that order because thats the order of appearance of villains in SM3. plus Venom sucks.
Whiteharted
Whiteharted - 8/31/2010, 5:43 AM
No no no Venom is great! How can you not like Venom? Hes great!!!!!!!!! Screw you!
AnInsomniacsNightmare
AnInsomniacsNightmare - 9/1/2010, 4:12 AM
The problem is like a friend told me. As long as they can make a movie for 2 mill and generate 60 mill. There going to keep making bad movies. *Example* Snakes on a plane. I agree with Whiteharted. Venom is awesome!!!!! But casting Eric Foreman as Vemon!
You kidding? Eddie Broke was ruined in the movie world by it! Where is Carnage? Out of all the villains I want Carnage!
Whiteharted
Whiteharted - 9/1/2010, 12:48 PM
Thank you AnInsomniacsNightmare you are a great poster you talk sense. Venom's fab. However I think you made a mistake Eric Foreman wasn't in SM3 or was that a joke?
FlashGordon2287
FlashGordon2287 - 9/1/2010, 6:20 PM
ok Whiteharted. I don't wanna turn this into a youtube commenter attack but I think Venom in the beginning was great but now has no real purpose he pretty much fan bait. And its my opinion so shut the hell up and deal with the fact someone doesn't like your precious Venom.
Whiteharted
Whiteharted - 9/2/2010, 5:03 AM
Screw you FlashGordon! there was no [frick]ing need to lash out like that Venom hater! I bet your a Goblin fanboy. Venom and I mean REAL Eddie Brock Venom has just as much purpose as he did back in the day! If you liked Venom then, then you like him now, so why don't YOU "shut the hell up" as you so kindly put it!
FlashGordon2287
FlashGordon2287 - 9/2/2010, 4:33 PM
@Whiteharted: I don't have favorites in terms of villains. I could care less really. I liked Spider-Man. I could give a rats ass about him since OMD. Plus Marvel hasn't done anything with Eddie Since New Ways to live...which came out 9 months ago. I apologize for the "shut the hell up" but I prefer not having someone shout "screw you" at me. I liked Venom when he first came out, but now he's lame and really has no point. Even less of a point since now the Symbiote doesn't know who Peter is (the whole reason the Symbiote wanted Peter dead was because Peter got rid of the Symbiote) So Venom is just there for Fanbait. I don't like Venom, I don't like Amazing Spidey (However give Astonishing Wolverine/Spider-Man a read. My one exception of my no Spidey rule. that and Ultimate Spider-Man). End of Story. And don't think I don't want them to do anything cool with Venom, I do.
Whiteharted
Whiteharted - 9/3/2010, 7:50 AM
Apology accepted,but for future reference if you don't like someone saying screw you don't tell them to "shut the hell up" I'm just giving you a taste of your own medicine. Now thats over with I still disagree with your views, and BTW I do read Astonishing Spider-Man, and I love it, so much in fact i've had about 3 letters printed.
FlashGordon2287
FlashGordon2287 - 9/3/2010, 2:16 PM
dude. you said screw you to me first but thats neither here or there. but aside from that no I havent read Astonishing Spider-Man
Whiteharted
Whiteharted - 9/4/2010, 5:02 AM
I know I said "screw you" first but what I meant by "giving you a taste of your own medicine" was I was being rude like you were.
FlashGordon2287
FlashGordon2287 - 9/4/2010, 8:50 AM
@Whiteharted, ok, anyway petty squabbles aside What Spider-books do you read recently?
Whiteharted
Whiteharted - 9/4/2010, 10:42 AM
Well I read Astonishing Spider-Man a hell of a lot (every two weeks) then theres, Hobgoblin Lives, then the origins of Venom and Carnage, then the famed island fight with Venom, then Death in the Family and unfortunatly One More Day and Brand New Day (boo)and as that was being printed, they printed the wedding, after that well there's far to many.
FlashGordon2287
FlashGordon2287 - 9/4/2010, 3:35 PM
@Whiteharted: Interesting. I'm currently reading the OLD OLD Amazing, the JMS era Amazing, Ultimate, and Astonishing Wolverine/Spider-Man.
Whiteharted
Whiteharted - 9/5/2010, 3:55 AM
Really your reading the old Amazing era? You mean the Ditko era? Jeez I don't really like that era due to the way people speak. Its too cheesy
FlashGordon2287
FlashGordon2287 - 9/5/2010, 8:59 AM
@Whiteharted To me thats part of the charm of it all.
Whiteharted
Whiteharted - 9/5/2010, 11:49 AM
You know for a moment there I thought you said "part of the charm of it all" Surely not.
FlashGordon2287
FlashGordon2287 - 9/5/2010, 12:26 PM
@Whiteharted" I can tell you and me are going to be like Batman and Joker. LOL Yes I did say that is part of the charm to me.
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