Lindsey35's Issues with Spider-Man 2

I'm back, ladies! We all know by now, Spider-Man is Lindsey's favorite comic hero of them all. This time, coming in peace, I explain to you guys why Spider-Man 2 is, in my own HONEST opinion, one of the weakest Web-Head flicks to date.

Editorial Opinion
By Lindsey35 - May 10, 2013 05:05 PM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man



I'm back, ladies! I have been wanting to write this for... quite some time now. A few weeks ago, I watched Spider-Man 2...and now that I've gathered up all my bravery, I'm going to list down reasons why Spider-Man 2 is a disappoint to me.

FIRSTLY:
THIS IS NOT, BY ANY MEANS, IN RESPONSE TO Fenix122's RECENT ARTICLE COMPARING THIS MOVIE TO THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN. CHEERS TO Fenix122 FOR EXPRESSING HIS OPINIONS. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT IN RESPONSE TO HIS ARTICLE. I HAVE BEEN WANTING TO WRITE THIS VERY LONG BEFORE HE MADE HIS.

THESE ARE NOT BIASED OPINIONS. I'm sure everyone knows I prefer The Amazing Spider-Man over the original trilogy, but, please note...I COME IN PEACE. This article's intentions are NOT to hate/bash/dump on Spider-Man 2 or any movie of the original trilogy. These are honest opinions ONLY. Really, I'm just here to voice my reasons as to why I don't understand the large amount of praise Spider-Man 2 gets. This is NOT a article to hate OR make fun of the original trilogy. Are we clear? I hope so. Plus, you should know I love the originals...I just don't understand some of the strange decisions they made.

Now, onward we go.



To kick this off, I want to start with Peter Parker and the things going on in his life.

Okay...wow. Why does this movie CONSTANTLY want to kick Peter while he already has his face in the dirt? I know Spider-Man is suppose to have an EXTREMELY difficult life, but this movie is so focused on irony that it gets me really irritated.

Here are some examples:

Peter struggles to keep pizza-delivery-boy job. Gets fired.

Now, this I can understand, with the whole 'Saving children from getting hit by a giant truck,' which puts him behind on schedule. It's clear a similar situation has happened before. So, I can accept this one...until...

Then we move onto the Daily Bugle. The first two words we hear outta J.J's mouth is, "You're fired." This, I don't mind either, because that's classic J.J and JK Simions is brilliant, of course. So then we go to the scene between Peter and Betty Brant. She's not allowed to pay him as much as he needs for some reason that I can't remember at the moment (didn't it have something to do with him taking extra money out last week, or something to that effect?), but, moving on. That there is already three punches in the face...in one day.

Next, Peter visits Aunt May and we find out it's his birthday. Let's skip to the scene with Peter and MJ outside. It's obvious Peter is crazy about her and is as in love with her as much as he was in Spider-Man 1. So they're talking and stuff... and BAM: "I'm seeing someone..." Another punch in the face. Why this irritates me is because, before she breaks the news, it's like their going to confess they love each other and want to be together...but then MJ just completely cuts it off with a bitter "I'm seeing someone," giving Peter a painful kick in the balls.

Here I'm just a little annoyed, but am trying not to pay too much attention to it.

Okay, Aunt May hands Peter a 20 dollar bill as her gift to him for his birthday, but as Peter returns to his apartment, the 'Rent People' (as I like to call them) swipe that money (right out his hand without ANY permission, at that) because he is behind on the rent.

Now I'm getting irritated.

Let's skip to the scene where Peter is going to MJ's play. Okay, he only has one suit and his costume in his closet... that doesn't even seem realistic.......? He goes to buy MJ flowers, but after he hands the guy the money and grabs a bunch, the guy takes back most of them and Peter is left with only two measly flowers. This probably sounds like a random nit-pick but, honestly, for me I'm left wondering: WHY IS THIS MOVIE SO STUCK ON IRONY? I mean REALLY! Okay, THEN we find out that Peter can't get in because he is too late. THHHEN we see Peter watch in horror as 'I'm-Seeing-Someone-Guy' greets MJ with a yummy kiss. Uhm...ouch. Again, this makes me go: WHY DOES THIS MOVIE CONSTANTLY WANT TO KICK PETER WHILE HE'S ALREADY DOWN?!

Next up, the Party scene:

J.J forces Peter to come and take pictures of his son at some kind of party about him (something to do about him being a successful astronaut?). Fine and dandy, but then we find out MJ is marrying J.J's son. What a coincidence! And here we have...yet ANOTHER irony moment. And then Harry starts slapping him around because Peter is paid to take pictures of Spider-Man...? Does Harry expect Peter to quit his job?!?! I mean, it's obvious Peter needs the money! This is me: NOT EVERYONE IS RICH LIKE YOU, HARRY. But let's remember, dude was drunk. BUT STILL.

By now, I'm extremely annoyed, and let's face it...EVEN PETER HIMSELF IS FED UP. He loses his powers, MJ's dating his boss's son, Harry is being a complete jerk, and he's struggling to keep up with his rent.

Sigh...

I believe that's enough.
I would say 79 % of this movie is about punching Peter Parker in the gut, and after a while, the irony gets old...fast. But that's just me.

Next, moving onto probably the biggest aspects of this film, Spider-Man quits.
This may be my biggest issue with this movie.

OKAY. First of all, getting on to what probably bugs me the most: MJ is Peter's big kick in the butt to continue being Spider-Man. I mean...uhm...WTH?! What if Doc Ock hadn't kidnapped MJ? Would Peter have EVER manned up if not for her capture? This aspect of the movie was obviously based off the comic "Spider-Man: No More." I don't know how many of you are familiar with this, but Peter's motivation was not, by any means, MJ's peril. His motivation to picking himself back up and going forward was...well, I'll let you read this (a short summary of the comic "Spider-Man: No More."):

"Peter Parker quits being Spider-Man because he gets no respect no matter how many people he saves. When he throws his costume away in the garbage, some kid finds it and brings it to Jameson, chief of the Daily Bugle. While Parker is enjoying life not being Spider-Man, a new crime lord called Kingpin rises. When Peter is walking around, he finds a guy being robed and decides to save him. After this, the guy reminded him of Uncle Ben and why he became Spider-Man. Then he decides to get his costume from Jameson, and becomes Spider-Man once more."

I know everything is about originality, but why screw with probably one of the most popular Spider-Man stories ever? Come on! Am I the only one who sees this? AND, not only that, they added more crap along with it. In this movie, Peter not only quits because he isn't appreciated by the public (which is totally comic based, and that part doesn't bother me), but THEN they throw in 'he loses his powers!' WTH? FACE, MEET MY PALM. AGAIN, why mess with one of the most popular Spider-Man stories in history? It was a stupid move, in my honest opinion. Am I the only one who feels this way?

My next complaint:

Doctor Octopus.
Firstly, by our good friend, wikipedia, here is a summary for the beloved super villain...Doctor Octopus.

"Doctor Octopus (Dr. Otto Gunther Octavius) is a fictional character, a super villain that appears in comic books published by Marvel Comics since 1963. A highly intelligent mad scientist, Doctor Octopus is one of Spider-Man's greatest foes. He is typically portrayed as a stocky, myopic man who utilizes four powerful, mechanical appendages, and is obsessed with proving his own genius and destroying Spider-Man."

We all know good ole' Doc Ock and the many stories starring him from the comics. Never once do I recall him being controlled by his mechanical arms. Doc Ock was always about proving his genius and wanting to kill/outwit Spider-Man! In the comics, the arms had no influenced with that! It's just a stupid way to make us 'care' about him. Alfred Molina is a great actor and he did wonderful, but the writers really screwed up his character. Also, why would Ock want to rebuild what got his wife KILLED?! It's messed up.

Next up: Harry Osborn.

If he's so convinced that Spider-Man killed his father, then why doesn't he go to the police?! I mean, he witnessed Spider-Man laying Norman's dead body onto the bed.

Acting:

Other than Alfred Molina and Rosemary Harris, this movie has a lot of flat acting (for my taste).

POINTLESS, ANNOYING MOMENT:

How hard would it have been to remove (or even re-shoot) the moment where that woman literally runs into the camera screaming? REALLY?

There are some great action sequences, but honestly they don't age well.

Overall, I will never be able to understand why this movie gets so much praise. The countless irony moments, classic plot and character changes, really make me look at this film differently than others.


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Lindsey35
Lindsey35 - 5/10/2013, 5:41 PM
TheAmazingHyphenMan

I completely agree! Spider-Man 2 is disappointing, but by no means a terrible movie. I just can't understand why people bash TASM when Spider-Man 2 has just as many, IF NOT MORE, flaws than it.

Yes, I think if Venom were handled that way then it would have been a lot better. Great idea ;)

Thanks for reading bro!

VIRILEMAN Thanks for reading ;)
Lindsey35
Lindsey35 - 5/10/2013, 5:42 PM
TheAmazingSpiderHyphenMan

LOL I meant to put 'one of the weakest.'
Spideyguy94
Spideyguy94 - 5/10/2013, 5:45 PM
I personally think Spider-man 2 is the best spider-man film so far. The characters may not be the ones I'm used too from the comics but its a sequel and those characters have already been established. Just my personal opinion.
Lindsey35
Lindsey35 - 5/10/2013, 5:49 PM
^ no prob Spiderguy94, opinions are opinions.

Thanks for reading ;)
Spideyguy94
Spideyguy94 - 5/10/2013, 6:07 PM
@Lindsey35 Your welcome my friend. I forgot to add in my comment. Not that I dislike TASM or anything I enjoy it (mostly due to the cast, especially Garfield)
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/10/2013, 6:16 PM
@VIRLEMAN
I know almost everything about Spidey, TASM wasn't that great because what makes Spidey such a great character is learning from mistakes and using them for the better and learning a lesson.

Did any of this happen in TASM??? Nope....
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/10/2013, 6:20 PM
@Beanzreilly
I agree, he goes through so many issues and problems. It's showing that he's a real guy who goes through real life issues.

MJ makes sense because she's not in it all just for Peter Parker the way Gwen is in TASM, she's trying to find her own way in life and Pete is trying to get to her.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/10/2013, 6:24 PM
@LEVITKUZ
Bravo! I can agree with that.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/10/2013, 6:28 PM
Pete is sick of being "punched in the gut" SM2 shows that life as Pete Parker is hard and tough to keep at, that's why he quit because he honestly felt that the city was doing alright without him and then he went back to the luxuries he had before. That makes perfect sense, it's the tough side of being a superhero.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/10/2013, 6:35 PM
Also Spider-Man as a character, is selfless but he didn't start like that he had to learn. He's the guy who puts the needs of others and those around him before himself, SM2 portrayed Peter learning this lesson perfectly and it was THE perfect showcasing of what makes Spidey such an awesome character and one you can look up to.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/10/2013, 6:41 PM
@AmazingSpiderHyphenMan
You keep saying he learned responsibility in TASM, but he didn't.

At the start he's a teenager who refused to accept responsibility. At the end, was he any different??? Honestly, no because at the end he's STILL unwilling to accept responsibility to protect Gwen and instead acts selfishly and keeps going after a relationship with him.

You keep saying he learned, but where in the film did he become more responsible than he was at the start??
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/10/2013, 6:42 PM
*HER*
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/10/2013, 7:07 PM
@ AmazingSpiderHyphenMan

See that's the thing, when I say Pete didn't learn. Well, before the ending. All the scenes you are referencing I would agree with, after Cap Stacy died and Pete promised. His character development was fine and it FELT like he actually did learn a lesson by stopping Lizard and then accepting the responsibility by promising Cap Stacy to stay away from her in order to protect her. They should've just stopped there, because I agree with you it felt like he had grown and learned. But, then they ruined it all by having him break the promise and show that he's just as irresponsible as he was before. If they had cut the final scene where he breaks the promise, I would agree with you. But that line he whispered just ruined any development he had before.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/10/2013, 7:09 PM
Basically what I'm saying is, Pete had character growth and it felt as if he had learned. But then the final scene came, and just killed the character growth that he had before.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/10/2013, 7:15 PM
Like BeanzReilly said yesterday, the final scene where Peter is late for school and breaking his promise and disregarding what he had learned. Is like if at the very end of Iron Man, Tony reopens his weapons division and starts building missiles again. The growth and transformation Tony went through would be destroyed. That's essentially what happened.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/10/2013, 7:15 PM
^^that was @AmazingSpiderHyphenMan
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/10/2013, 7:36 PM
@Amazing
Like I said he breaks the promise, and disregards everything that he learned through out the film.

That's like at the end of Iron Man if Tony disregards the lesson he's learned and decides to start building weapons and selling them to terrorists again.

It's just stupid, doesn't make sense and ruins the growth he had as a character before.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/10/2013, 7:45 PM
@Amazing
Peter did stalk Gwen, staring at photos of a hot girl that he knows by himself in a room would most likely be considered stalking. Or at least being a real creeper...
manymade1
manymade1 - 5/10/2013, 8:33 PM
"Why does this movie CONSTANTLY want to kick Peter while he already has his face in the dirt?"

This is called a story.
JuggyPunch
JuggyPunch - 5/11/2013, 12:52 AM
spider man 2 is secon best superhero movie behin Dark Knight. Critics seem to love it, so take it up with them.

On a side note, asm was a crappy movie for crappy people.
FreedomFreeLife
FreedomFreeLife - 5/11/2013, 3:20 AM
TASM is darker, more realistic, Peter is teenager, more closer to comics, modern, and has better casting, music and look. Thats why i like TASM more than old movies.
Old movies were too bright, cheesy, very hard to watch, annoying MJ and Peter cry all the time. Bad story. MJ kidnapped 3 time, May 2 time, and always happens near to Peter Parker.
Spideyguy94
Spideyguy94 - 5/11/2013, 4:32 AM
@LEVI He actually didn't. In TASM he cried 4 times, in the raimi trilogy he cried 8 times. And when he cries in TASM and spider-man 1&2 they are kind if warranted, it's only in spider-man 3 where the crying gets out of hand and uneeded.
YipCha
YipCha - 5/11/2013, 4:38 AM
I agree with Levitikuz about the "Amazing" Spider-Man. Same story, but now Peter is a douche.
YipCha
YipCha - 5/11/2013, 4:44 AM
As for Spider-Man 2, I agree it had it's problems, but I still really enjoyed it overall. I'd say for the time it was an amazing superhero movie. Today's films however have set the bar higher, and shown what it could have been.
FreedomFreeLife
FreedomFreeLife - 5/11/2013, 4:47 AM
See, you are troll because ITS NOT SAME STORY

We got no JJJ, No Harry, No MJ, No Norman Osborn. Nobody knows who is Spider-Man

In TASM There is Capt Stacy and Gwen Stacy, and they both knew who is Spider-Man, even Aunt May knows that, end shows it.
Also we got Dr. Connors.
Also Peter did not got powers from Spider bite, but it just activeted DNA that is already inside Peter by his father test.

Very different stories. I love how THOSE FREAKS LYING.
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